King Power Out

[Voll Blau]

3 hours ago, Katy said:

Ahh this was probably the bloke who screamed ‘**** OFF’ in mine and my daughter’s faces when we were handing out FT survey leaflets last night. 

Absolute scum.

 

Remember similar a decade ago when leafleting for the 5-minute boycott at Arsenal. Abused because we weren't backing the lads, then turned out to be a crap end. Some didn't even stand up when we scored.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

4 hours ago, Katy said:

Ahh this was probably the bloke who screamed ‘**** OFF’ in mine and my daughter’s faces when we were handing out FT survey leaflets last night. 

Totally disgraceful. People like that need a punch in the chops 

[1972 Fox]

1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

Absolute scum.

 

Remember similar a decade ago when leafleting for the 5-minute boycott at Arsenal. Abused because we weren't backing the lads, then turned out to be a crap end. Some didn't even stand up when we scored.

What was this about and when?

 

We were at our highest point a decade ago.

[NextPlease]

3 hours ago, Rubbersoul said:

Genuinely disgraceful that our fanbase has been reduced to this. 

It is, fans need to respect each others views and there are plenty of posts on here that are abusive to fellow fans who don’t want a change of ownership.

 

However it makes no sense for those not agreeing with the current approach of the Trust to not complete the survey as that would be the only way for the Trust to reconsider their current thinking

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

27 minutes ago, NextPlease said:

It is, fans need to respect each others views and there are plenty of posts on here that are abusive to fellow fans who don’t want a change of ownership.

 

However it makes no sense for those not agreeing with the current approach of the Trust to not complete the survey as that would be the only way for the Trust to reconsider their current thinking

The physical and aggressive abuse started with the KPFC fans. Multiple times they’ve attacked fans - latest being a mum and their daughter. Whether it be in the stadium or board members (who remains a board member) of the foxes trust. They’ve been abusive, aggressive and intimidating. Really disappointing behaviour. 
 

A few nasty word online or on a forum (which, let’s be frank is usually the truth) doesn’t compare. They’ve lost the right to be respected. 

[Blue ROI]

5 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The physical and aggressive abuse started with the KPFC fans. Multiple times they’ve attacked fans - latest being a mum and their daughter. Whether it be in the stadium or board members (who remains a board member) of the foxes trust. They’ve been abusive, aggressive and intimidating. Really disappointing behaviour. 
 

A few nasty word online or on a forum (which, let’s be frank is usually the truth) doesn’t compare. They’ve lost the right to be respected. 

And all with no consequences while anyone who dare speaks out against the regime is dealt with.

[NextPlease]

13 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The physical and aggressive abuse started with the KPFC fans. Multiple times they’ve attacked fans - latest being a mum and their daughter. Whether it be in the stadium or board members (who remains a board member) of the foxes trust. They’ve been abusive, aggressive and intimidating. Really disappointing behaviour. 
 

A few nasty word online or on a forum (which, let’s be frank is usually the truth) doesn’t compare. They’ve lost the right to be respected. 

You don’t think some of the chants are aggressive abuse which upsets other fans ?

 

A number of fans find the concourse at away games very intimidating 

 

Both sides of the debate cannot deny some responsibility for the toxic nature of the divided fan base

Edited 25 April by NextPlease

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, NextPlease said:

You don’t think some of the chants are aggressive abuse which upsets other fans ?

 

A number of fans find the concourse at away games very intimidating 

 

Both sides of the debate cannot deny some responsibility for the toxic nature of the divided fan base

What chants are they finding intimidating ? Rudkin ones ? Which ones are aimed at them personally ? 
 

And no, I think a punch in the mouth which KPFC FANS have done. Calling fans names - which KPFC fans have done. Trying to silent other fans - which KPFC fans have tried to do - is far more intimidating.

[1884HF]

3 minutes ago, NextPlease said:

You don’t think some of the chants are aggressive abuse which upsets other fans ?

 

A number of fans find the concourse at away games very intimidating 

 

Both sides of the debate cannot deny some responsibility for the toxic nature of the divided fan base

right the rudkin chant only at Norwich away 6 months ago 

[BenTheFox]

17 minutes ago, NextPlease said:

You don’t think some of the chants are aggressive abuse which upsets other fans ?

 

A number of fans find the concourse at away games very intimidating 

 

Both sides of the debate cannot deny some responsibility for the toxic nature of the divided fan base

Sorry, you can't 'both sides' this one. It's complete false equivalence. 

[LCFCJohn]

46 minutes ago, NextPlease said:

You don’t think some of the chants are aggressive abuse which upsets other fans ?

 

A number of fans find the concourse at away games very intimidating 

 

Both sides of the debate cannot deny some responsibility for the toxic nature of the divided fan base

Thing is, it started as people showing dissatisfaction at the issues with the club, calling for responsibility to be taken with Rudkin the main target. At the start, nobody was calling directly for KP to leave nor mocking the other fans, I.e KP etc now.

 

This was met with aggression by those venomously defending the ownership, including physical assault and ripping banners away etc. As things have got worse, KP themselves have rightly been called out but the fans who have been aggressive have been met with increasing resistance back.

 

Unless you disagree with being the order of events, it is clear that the escalation and divide was initiated by those defending the owner (which is an increasingly odd perspective anyway).

[inckley fox]

48 minutes ago, NextPlease said:

You don’t think some of the chants are aggressive abuse which upsets other fans ?

 

A number of fans find the concourse at away games very intimidating 

 

Both sides of the debate cannot deny some responsibility for the toxic nature of the divided fan base

You make a really important point about both sides contributing to the toxicity. When people are saying 'KPFC fans shouldn't be welcome at any phoenix club' or accusing pro-KP fans of being the root of our problems (when in truth, compared to the immense incompetence in our club leadership and the apathetic culture among our playing staff, their unwavering support is hardly a major issue) it's adding to the toxicity. No doubt whatsoever. And at some point we're going to have to be willing to all support the same club, regardless of our views on the ownership.

 

However, I'm starting to see more and more evidence that a great deal of aggression and anger and resentment is coming from the 'get behind the lads, no matter what' brigade. Katy's story, for instance, of totally unacceptable abuse for simply handing out Foxes Trust leaflets, mirrored what I've heard from others. I know that these people, as few of them as there may be left, feel they're behaving like 'true fans', but this kind of behaviour - and applauding Harry Winks' every touch, or the messaging we get from the official Supporter Club - doesn't look like what you'd expect from a real Leicester City fan to me. They dedicate their efforts to adulation for one of the biggest on-and-off field culprits for our decline, fully back a boardroom leading us to oblivion, placing their interests ahead of the club's welfare, and they bemoan the sorry state of our fanbase... Are you sure they're being such great fans in these regards?

 

So I totally agree that those of us who want to hold Top and Rudkin responsible for their negligence should be conciliatory towards those who still back the ownership. But equally you have to remember that every football fan, journalist and pundit would think that the club has been badly mismanaged and that the default position, rather than singing the board's praises, would be to hold them to account. To be so resentful of those who are doing what pretty much everyone would expect a fan to be doing will, by its nature, pave the way for immense toxicity. It's a very extreme argument, in some ways.

 

I understand that there are always fans who toe the party line no matter what. I've seen fans choosing not to participate in protests at plenty of other clubs, including Wednesday. That element always exists and some of the same key figures who remained pro-Shipman and Pleat back in 1990, and who have already clearly found themselves on the wrong side of history, are doing the same now. We shouldn't be surprised by this.

 

But I'm starting to believe that the primal frustration we're seeing from these quarters now is symptomatic of what happens when people discover that a deeply held conviction has been proven wrong. How do Brexiteers who swore to all their mates that we'd prosper eternally and boast the world's finest NHS feel now? Or, in a slightly less dramatic example, how did fans who wanted Bloomfield out and McLintock in feel come April 1978? If you truly believe in something, it hurts to see your truth dismantled before your eyes. It was hard, for instance, for me to say I was wrong for my many critical posts about Pearson and Vardy, having spoken with such certainty about how crap they both were back in 2012 and 2013. I held my hands up as best I could, but others lash out or cling on to some faint semblance of increasingly tenuous hope.

 

And so here we are. You can't sensibly defend Top. Your only argument is that things were once wonderful with his old man in charge, and that the son has the best of intentions. But that isn't really an argument, and evidently it hurts a lot to see the staggering margin by which the KP critics have been proven right, and their deeply-held faith in the owners wrong. At some point there will have to be a degree of acceptance on that score. And I hope those who consider themselves to have been proven right don't revel too much in the moment either, because it's a fairly hollow victory.

 

All that said, though, you can have your opinion, as silly as it may seem to me, and I mine. That shouldn't mean we have to go out of our way to wind each other up. If I ever meet you, I'm not going to hit you or call you a ****. More likely I'll spend half an hour talking about how underrated Muzzy Izzet was. And hopefully at some point we can all get back to that stage.

 

And while we're at it, Manwell Pablo, I'm sure you remember that very spiky debate a decade or two ago. In spite of your superior argument to the contrary, I still believe I'm right. Muzzy Izzet was clearly England standard. We might actually have to fight it out on that one...

[1884HF]

I try to remain balanced and normally I can understand or appreciate the opposing argument but in this anti kp vs 'kp loyalist' civil war I cannot understand why they are so committed - I am still yet to see any logical facts based argument on why they refuse to accept any criticism placed against Top or Rudkin whereas I feel the anti kp argument can consistently provide detailed evidence alongside independent industry experts on why the club is and has been run so poorly which is why when that young lad and his dad (I assume) tore down the union fs banner yesterday its almost as if they have. a blind loyalty which they see any criticism of kp or rudkin as an outrage. To make things worse the kp loyalists are consistently the instigators of violence and toxicity which then causes this polarisation of the fanbase which I struggle to see a way we can come back from

[Claudio Fannieri]

10 minutes ago, 1884HF said:

I try to remain balanced and normally I can understand or appreciate the opposing argument but in this anti kp vs 'kp loyalist' civil war I cannot understand why they are so committed - I am still yet to see any logical facts based argument on why they refuse to accept any criticism placed against Top or Rudkin whereas I feel the anti kp argument can consistently provide detailed evidence alongside independent industry experts on why the club is and has been run so poorly which is why when that young lad and his dad (I assume) tore down the union fs banner yesterday its almost as if they have. a blind loyalty which they see any criticism of kp or rudkin as an outrage. To make things worse the kp loyalists are consistently the instigators of violence and toxicity which then causes this polarisation of the fanbase which I struggle to see a way we can come back from

The only argument is we won the league 10 years ago and the FA Cup 5 years ago so have earned the right to destroy the club and we should continue to be grateful for the wonderful miracle and shut up not say a word, clap and cheer our way into the abyss. 

[1884HF]

1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The only argument is we won the league 10 years ago and the FA Cup 5 years ago so have earned the right to destroy the club and we should continue to be grateful for the wonderful miracle and shut up not say a word, clap and cheer our way into the abyss. 

I just cannot comprehend how they think it is a badge of honour for us to be in freefall because 10 years ago we had success - I say again the CANNOT be football people surely its got to be a front or an imitation like saying 'lets go to the footy and cheer for Leicester City'

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

These people support the club without actually critically thinking about the trajectory we’re on. I find it strange to be honest. Has anyone ever asked them how far they’re prepared for us to fall?

[Blue ROI]

13 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

These people support the club without actually critically thinking about the trajectory we’re on. I find it strange to be honest. Has anyone ever asked them how far they’re prepared for us to fall?

It reminds me of Ireland in 2010 as the government were acting like it was business as usual while the IMF were walking around. 

 

And their loyalists defending them. "But they fixed the roads"

Edited 25 April by Blue ROI

[Vlad the Fox]

Remember how we used to laugh at those forest fans who would defend fawaz to the hilt and refused to see any wrong as he destroyed the club,  well the KP loyalists need to realise they’ve become those supporters everyone else is laughing at in their defence of aiyawatt and king power. 

[Helsingborg Foxes]

Fan A (smoking a cigarette): How can anyone support Top now?

Fan B: Do you know smoking causes you big problems?

Fan A: Well er yeah but I like smoking.

Fan B: Some fans like Top.

 

Cognitive dissonance is the divide you feel. People who support Top are being confronted with League One football under Top and that makes them feel uncomfortable.

 

Nobody wants to feel uncomfortable for long. That’s why they rationalise (we’ll be back), justify (we were in League One once before) and avoid information (they probably wrote on Facebook that we’d never get relegated back-to-back and now feel guilty).

 

People who don’t support Top have no uncomfortable contradiction in their mind. That’s why Matt Piper, Henry Winter, Jason Bourne, BSLB, etc speak with conviction.

 

Talk to a friend who likes Top about your buddy in Scotland, he follows a team, they got relegated 3 times in 4 years! Your friend will be like “what a shambles, heads need to roll”. Then tell your friend your buddy’s team is Leicester City, he travels down from Scotland… Watch the cognitive dissonance. Your friend may get angry.

[Clogger_]

10 hours ago, Katy said:

Ahh this was probably the bloke who screamed ‘**** OFF’ in mine and my daughter’s faces when we were handing out FT survey leaflets last night. 

So sorry to hear this Katy. They walk among us

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

These people support the club without actually critically thinking about the trajectory we’re on. I find it strange to be honest. Has anyone ever asked them how far they’re prepared for us to fall?

The club will have to go bust for them to wake up. Even then, I suspect they'll be bewildered and wonder why nobody did anything to stop it. 

[Clogger_]

5 hours ago, NextPlease said:

It is, fans need to respect each others views and there are plenty of posts on here that are abusive to fellow fans who don’t want a change of ownership.

 

However it makes no sense for those not agreeing with the current approach of the Trust to not complete the survey as that would be the only way for the Trust to reconsider their current thinking

This "both sides" argument in response to Katy's vile experience is *really, really* poor form

[Clogger_]

4 hours ago, NextPlease said:

You don’t think some of the chants are aggressive abuse which upsets other fans ?

 

A number of fans find the concourse at away games very intimidating 

 

Both sides of the debate cannot deny some responsibility for the toxic nature of the divided fan base

If there are legitimate reasons to be intimidated, the club they're visiting should be able to help.

 

If however they just don't like boisterous or edgy behaviour from fans on a big day out, suggest away days may not be for them.

[Voll Blau]

7 hours ago, 1972 Fox said:

What was this about and when?

 

We were at our highest point a decade ago.

Sky changing the date of the game at ridiculously short notice.

[MattFox]

Liverpool won the title last season and had the entire ground protest today including all demographics

 

Half our lot won’t say boo to a goose because we won the league ten years ago under a different chairman