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[st albans fox]

I think we may see trump do a couple of deals this week where the USA and other countries remove tarrifs between themselves completely (inc the 10%) 

 

These will likely be planned and gerrymandered to try and make it seem that they’re being reasonable and that there is a way out of this for those govts who want to be ‘reasonable’. 
 

I don’t think they realise just how badly in general they’re viewed across the world.  

[Torquay Gunner]

Meanwhile in other news Israel continues to do whatever the hell it wants.  The silence of the International Community continues to aid and abet.
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9133z2v30o

[Md9]

They are literally treating the whole thing as a reality tv show. 

[Sampson]

6 minutes ago, Md9 said:

They are literally treating the whole thing as a reality tv show. 

It’s all about the complete dehumanisation of immigrants. The public cruelty and humiliation is the point. 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Sampson said:

It’s all about the complete dehumanisation of immigrants. The public cruelty and humiliation is the point. 

 

They view human (and other) life and dignity as a dispensable punchline and want as many other people as possible to feel that way too.

 

Quite apart from being utterly morally abhorrent, it's also practically incompatible with any kind of future that doesn't involve horrific dystopia.

[Md9]

8 minutes ago, Sampson said:

It’s all about the complete dehumanisation of immigrants. The public cruelty and humiliation is the point. 

It’s disgusting. Every day it gets worse as well. 

[Torquay Gunner]

Badenoch debases herself just to try and score political points. Pathetic.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjn3071yv3o

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Badenoch debases herself just to try and score political points. Pathetic.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjn3071yv3o

So much fallacious argument there.

 

For one thing, as if Israel being a "democracy" and an "ally" (both subjects of debate in of themselves) makes any policy they share with, say, the Chinese, somehow palatable.

[Trav Le Bleu]

7 hours ago, leicsmac said:

 

They view human (and other) life and dignity as a dispensable punchline and want as many other people as possible to feel that way too.

 

Quite apart from being utterly morally abhorrent, it's also practically incompatible with any kind of future that doesn't involve horrific dystopia.

Combined with US gun laws, in Don's lingo, 

NOT GOOD!

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz79ewg193ro

 

Crowds of protesters gathered in cities across the US on Saturday to denounce President Trump, in the largest nationwide show of opposition since the president took office in January.

The "Hands Off" protest planners aimed to hold rallies in 1,200 locations, including in all 50 US states. Hundreds of thousands of people turned out in Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and Washington DC, among other cities.

Protesters cited grievances with Trump's agenda ranging from social to economic issues.

Coming days after Trump's announcement that the US would impose import tariffs on most countries around the world, gatherings were also held outside the US, including in London, Paris and Berlin.

 

 

Not sure how much it'll amount to, but...

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz79ewg193ro

 

Crowds of protesters gathered in cities across the US on Saturday to denounce President Trump, in the largest nationwide show of opposition since the president took office in January.

The "Hands Off" protest planners aimed to hold rallies in 1,200 locations, including in all 50 US states. Hundreds of thousands of people turned out in Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and Washington DC, among other cities.

Protesters cited grievances with Trump's agenda ranging from social to economic issues.

Coming days after Trump's announcement that the US would impose import tariffs on most countries around the world, gatherings were also held outside the US, including in London, Paris and Berlin.

 

 

Not sure how much it'll amount to, but...

These protesters I guess will likely get arrested, not pardoned.

[Trav Le Bleu]

 

I've come to realise that Trump is in fact Calvin.

 

Remarkably similar hair too.

 

Edited 7 April by Trav Le Bleu

[leicsmac]

58 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

These protesters I guess will likely get arrested, not pardoned.

Or otherwise neutralised, yes.

[Jattdogg]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Or otherwise neutralised, yes.

Or sent to  El Salvador super prison.

[WigstonWanderer]

If say the Chinese market was to fall 20% and the S&P only 15%, Trump would think he’s won. Real beggar thy neighbour stuff.

Edited 7 April by WigstonWanderer

[davieG]

41 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

If say the Chinese market was to fall 20% and the S&P only 15%, Trump would think he’s won. Real beggar thy neighbour stuff.

He’ll say he’s won whatever happens

[Dunge]

Read an interesting comment today that this will also hurt the Russian economy by proxy. So I’m not sure they’re that happy about it all despite the exemption.

[Sampson]

35 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Read an interesting comment today that this will also hurt the Russian economy by proxy. So I’m not sure they’re that happy about it all despite the exemption.

It’s going to hurt the economy of every country on Earth. 
 

The thing that will make Russia and China happy is that developing countries in Africa and the Middle East now no longer have the US as an option to trade with so will turn towards China and Russia.

[Jattdogg]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

He’ll say he’s won whatever happens

Nobody has tanked the market better than me. Nobody can tank a market and Make America Wealthy Again like me. Not even God.

 

 

Speaking of God, the Bible is my favorite book. Don't ask me what part, it's all good!

Edited 7 April by Jattdogg

[Dunge]

6 minutes ago, Sampson said:

It’s going to hurt the economy of every country on Earth. 
 

The thing that will make Russia and China happy is that developing countries in Africa and the Middle East now no longer have the US as an option to trade with so will turn towards China and Russia.

China are going to benefit the most from all this in the long term.

[leicsmac]

It is rather rare that someone actually this committed to seeing the world burn so that they can be king of the ashes actually gains a real measure of power.

 

And every time, the cost to remove them is high.

 

One can only hope that cost won't be too high this time.

[leicsmac]

Just now, Dunge said:

China are going to benefit the most from all this in the long term.

That's the most likely scenario.

 

The less likely but more scary scenario is that no one wins, but everyone loses. A lot.

[Sampson]

7 minutes ago, Dunge said:

China are going to benefit the most from all this in the long term.

Agreed. When Africa becomes the only place on earth with a young working population in a few decades time it will be China who are the economic superpower.

 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Agreed. When Africa becomes the only place on earth with a young working population in a few decades time it will be China who are the economic superpower.

 

And to add to this, thanks to Chinese tech a lot of the sub-Saharan nations are pretty much 100% non fossil fuel in terms of their energy infrastructure.

[st albans fox]

On 06/04/2025 at 15:22, leicsmac said:

So much fallacious argument there.

 

For one thing, as if Israel being a "democracy" and an "ally" (both subjects of debate in of themselves) makes any policy they share with, say, the Chinese, somehow palatable.

Did the U.K. ban Geert Wilders from entering in 2009?   I’m pretty sure he was a sitting Dutch mp at the time. 
I think these two MP’s were invited to appeal to the courts to review the interior minister’s decision and given hotel accommodation whilst they waited. They chose to return next day rather than do that. 
I don’t know if mr wilders had the right to appeal or if he too didn’t take up that option. I think we banned him before he came.