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Seeing that the EFL are dying for us to be under their jurisdiction so that they can slap us with a few Transfer embargoes points deductions and fines, so there’s no way we could sign a new player which means we’ll still have the same Schitt minus the Goat and the ones who will Fuch off, this should be renamed as a wish we could sign this player ??

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Transfer window opens earlier on June 1st because of the World Club Championship. I suggest we use that opportunity to get some business done early before the EFL can get their hands on us.

 

No doubt those in power at the club will be asleep at the wheel as per usual though.

 

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13 minutes ago, justfoxes said:

Seeing that the EFL are dying for us to be under their jurisdiction so that they can slap us with a few Transfer embargoes points deductions and fines, so there’s no way we could sign a new player which means we’ll still have the same Schitt minus the Goat and the ones who will Fuch off, this should be renamed as a wish we could sign this player ??

Based on? 

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It's Top and his boards' fault, not the leagues for enforcing the rules (sometimes badly) we signed up to - if we do get punished which seems unlikely 

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20 minutes ago, Stadt said:

It's Top and his boards' fault, not the leagues for enforcing the rules (sometimes badly) we signed up to - if we do get punished which seems unlikely 

Both leagues have broken their own rules multiple times and all they’ve achieved is managed to prove we’ve broken non of theirs. 

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2 hours ago, Stadt said:

It's Top and his boards' fault, not the leagues for enforcing the rules (sometimes badly) we signed up to - if we do get punished which seems unlikely 

Needs to be said more often. I'm already bored of "fvck the EFL" chants that I will hear next season.

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2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Both leagues have broken their own rules multiple times and all they’ve achieved is managed to prove we’ve broken non of theirs. 

Why are we even in a legal dispute with either league? Because we spend too much money on shit players. 

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17 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Why are we even in a legal dispute with either league? Because we spend too much money on shit players. 

 

The two things aren't mutually exclusive and we should be angry about both. 

 

We should be annoyed at the advantageous position we've thrown away and we should equally be annoyed at the rules specifically designed to kick the shit out of clubs like ours that dare to spend. 

 

I've always been confused by why people on here - in both camps - argue back and forth using these two things as counters to the other. 

 

It's a bit like the people that thought we shouldn't be angry at Everton and Forest for surviving by cheating at our expense and not getting points deductions in that season. 

 

Yeah we ****ed up and that's bad and we should be angry about it but there's also nothing wrong with wanting just laws. 

 

It's OK to be annoyed at both at the same time. 

 

Edit to say I'm not targeting this purely at you but @urban.spaceman just as much and anyone else that's had a back and forth like this over the last couple years. 

 

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Just now, Finnegan said:

 

The two things aren't mutually exclusive and we should be angry about both. 

 

We should be annoyed at the advantageous position we've thrown away and we should equally be annoyed at the rules specifically designed to kick the shit out of clubs like ours that dare to spend. 

 

I've always been confused by why people on here - in both camps - argue back and forth using these two things as counters to the other. 

 

It's a bit like the people that thought we shouldn't be angry at Everton and Forest for surviving by cheating at our expense and not getting points deductions in that season. 

 

Yeah we ****ed up and that's bad and we should be angry about it but there's also nothing wrong with wanting just laws. 

 

It's OK to be annoyed at both at the same time. 

 

I’m really bad at articulating my thoughts on this, but we hemmed ourselves in with FFP and overspent anyway.

 

Other clubs (Everton, Newcastle, Villa, Chelsea, Forest) weren’t terrified, spent what they needed and dealt with any penalties. They also orchestrated PSR swindle deals and do whatever they needed to do.

 

We threw away our best ever position because we shat our pants about it when everybody else was blasé enough to not care.
 

The rules are crap but we’ve been weirdly semi-compliant but neither got our house in order OR just went balls to the wall.

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39 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I’m really bad at articulating my thoughts on this, but we hemmed ourselves in with FFP and overspent anyway.

 

Other clubs (Everton, Newcastle, Villa, Chelsea, Forest) weren’t terrified, spent what they needed and dealt with any penalties. They also orchestrated PSR swindle deals and do whatever they needed to do.

 

We threw away our best ever position because we shat our pants about it when everybody else was blasé enough to not care.
 

The rules are crap but we’ve been weirdly semi-compliant but neither got our house in order OR just went balls to the wall.

 

Our club definitely isn't a model of perfection and we have made some horrendous recruitment decisions by putting too much faith in poor managers, Rodgers in particular. 

 

But I do think, in fairness, we as fans do forget that there was a major pandemic. 

 

We are almost certainly the Premier League club that was MOST significantly hit by covid. It came at exactly the wrong moment for us, we'd just spent all of this money to try and bridge the gap to the top four and then wham. 

 

To make it worse, we're one of the clubs most reliant on match day revenue. Our commercial revenue was miles behind a lot of the teams we were above, let alone the ones we were trying to reach, then that rug got swept entirely from under us in a manner that literally nobody could ever have predicted. 

 

I hate to sound like I'm overly defending Top because he's made some business decisions that are frankly unforgivable, in particular the fact we still don't have any modern sporting director in sight and if it's true he's the main drive behind us getting RVN after his dad make the same mistake with Sven then that's ****ing shameful. 

 

But it does mitigate just how bad we've been over the last five or so years and there's some validity to it as an excuse. 

 

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21 hours ago, Ashley said:

Based on? 

A number of things they were pi55ed when we got our lawyers getting us out of the EPL’s PSR BullSchitt we apparently breached their PSR when we were in imthe championship and the EFL are almost as bad as the EPL PSR, either way they can’t wait to slap a few sanctions etc on us to get us back for some reason or another !!

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21 hours ago, AKCJ said:

There's been nothing outside of assumptions that say we'll be affected by a transfer embargo.

Either way transfer embargo points deductions huge fine or all of the above, these authorities hate the fact that clubs fight their Bullschitt rules !!

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1 hour ago, justfoxes said:

A number of things they were pi55ed when we got our lawyers getting us out of the EPL’s PSR BullSchitt we apparently breached their PSR when we were in imthe championship and the EFL are almost as bad as the EPL PSR, either way they can’t wait to slap a few sanctions etc on us to get us back for some reason or another !!

We didn't breach PSR when we were in the championship, that is the only thing that is certain. If we had we would have been charged this season and had a points deduction as a premier league club, so wouldn't have affected next season anyway.

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59 minutes ago, justfoxes said:

A number of things they were pi55ed when we got our lawyers getting us out of the EPL’s PSR BullSchitt we apparently breached their PSR when we were in imthe championship and the EFL are almost as bad as the EPL PSR, either way they can’t wait to slap a few sanctions etc on us to get us back for some reason or another !!

But again based on? Rumours with no substance. Take the emtion out of it and take a step back and rethink it. 

 

We will be in trouble if we don't go up next season but coming down now we will be fine. 

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20 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

The two things aren't mutually exclusive and we should be angry about both. 

 

We should be annoyed at the advantageous position we've thrown away and we should equally be annoyed at the rules specifically designed to kick the shit out of clubs like ours that dare to spend. 

 

I've always been confused by why people on here - in both camps - argue back and forth using these two things as counters to the other. 

 

It's a bit like the people that thought we shouldn't be angry at Everton and Forest for surviving by cheating at our expense and not getting points deductions in that season. 

 

Yeah we ****ed up and that's bad and we should be angry about it but there's also nothing wrong with wanting just laws. 

 

It's OK to be annoyed at both at the same time. 

 

Edit to say I'm not targeting this purely at you but @urban.spaceman just as much and anyone else that's had a back and forth like this over the last couple years. 

 

I’m fully aware of how much I post about this topic and I’ve been trying much harder in recent posts to stress that the club is culpable for a hell of a lot of what’s happened in the last 3 years; I tried to outline as much as I could in these posts the other day: (spoilered cos they’re very long posts) 

 

  

On 25/04/2025 at 15:24, urban.spaceman said:

It was more than just “sell a player a year” - we would sell one big asset every year in order to fund the growth and improvement of the squad.

 

The rules at the time - short term cost control (STCC) - meant that a club couldn’t spend more than 7% on transfers and wages than the previous season. So despite being the actual reigning Premier League champions in 2016, we couldn’t attract better players that would have instantly improved the squad because we had to spend as if we were still a newly promoted club who’d finished 14th. STCC was between 2013-2019, which is why Newcastle were able to go and spent so wildly from 2019 onwards despite being recently promoted and struggling pretty regularly. So we had to develop the team over several seasons by player trading. 

 

Selling Drinkwater to buy Iborra, Iheanacho and Silva

Selling Mahrez to fund Maddison, Evans, Soyuncu, Ricardo, Benkovic, Ghezzal and Ward

Selling Slabhead to fund Justin, Tielemans, Perez and Praet

Selling Chillwell to fund Castagne and Fofana

 

Every single one of those players, except for the crossed out ones who proved to be utter disasters, added something to the squad that we were missing at the time, and were signed on wages the club felt reflected their value as part of a squad attempting to progress from mid table to challenging at the top of the table. And it succeeded.

 

Rodgers took the squad Puel and Macia had built and within his first season, set an English football record for biggest ever away win in the top flight, reached the FA Cup quarters and the League Cup semis (and might have reached the final if the ref had spotted that handball), spent most of the season in the Top 3 before failing on the final day during COVID. The next season - FA Cup winners, and again most of the season in the Top 3 before failing and qualifying for the Europa League* on the final day of the season. Again. 

 

Then the Super League debacle happened (four years ago last Friday to be exact). The big clubs (plus Tottenham) were attempting to protect their spot at the top of the pyramid by making sure no other club could ever achieve financial stability or ever compete with them again. It would have been a complete closed shop. The Premier League bent over for them instead of actually punishing them (they still haven’t paid that £3.6m fine) and adopted far, far tighter PSR rules that meant a club’s spending had to be within a certain percentage of their income. And worse, after spending a decade ignoring Man City’s blatant crimes and at this point 3 full years investigating them, they decided to actually start implementing those rules far stronger than they had before (7 of Man City’s 130 charges are PSR rule breaks). 4 years later and that case STILL ISN’T OVER.

 

As we’d been spending so much money in trying to reach the Champions League, within the already unfair system that had prohibited us from progressing as Champions, the new rules meant that we would drastically have to reduce spending on players transfers and wages due to the reduced income of playing in the Europa instead of the Champions League**. Players on high wages had to be shifted. By the man who had put them on the same high wages and also had a clear track record of failing to shift players from the squad.

 

That self sustaining model that we’d built - while imperfect and involving a lot of shocking waste - was now our kryptonite, under new rules that literally punished the clubs trying to play by the pervious rules; to satisfy the clubs that didn’t. We couldn’t sign high profile/quality players and we couldn’t replace players who left (Kasper, Fofana) with like-for-like players of the same quality. Shifting players on high wages was even more impossible because nobody else could now afford the wages those players were on. 

 

TL;DR version, courtesy of TwatGPT:

 

We had a smart, self-sustaining model—sell one key player a year to build a stronger squad.
STCC rules stopped us from spending like a top club even after we won the league.
Then PSR rules tightened post-Super League, hitting us just as we dropped out of the CL spots.
Now the Premier League’s punishing us for following the rules that kept us competitive.

 

*Reminder: we finished 5th in the two seasons Manchester City should have been serving their UEFA ban so would have qualified for the Champions League if CAS hadn’t overturned their ban. Literally none of this would have happened to us otherwise.

**Basic participation prize money in the Europa League is roughly 80% lower than the Champions League; income from broadcasting, sponsorships and merchandising would have been much higher in the CL too.

 

On 25/04/2025 at 15:40, urban.spaceman said:

Completely agree. The anger is totally justified. There HAS to be a change of personnel at the top THIS SUMMER. A fresh perspective, a new pair of eyes with new ideas to develop a new strategy within the confines of what’s happened to us. Top, Rudkin and Susan have been chasing their tails trying to put our the fire at the end of it and have managed to put us in a deeply, deeply troubling position.

 

We are in serious existential trouble because of this. I want accountability as much as everyone else but for me that extents beyond the capability of the club too - there are blatant structural problems within this sport that have harmed us by design, implemented by a league that holds other clubs to far lower standards, has acted irrationally and maliciously towards us and have repeatedly broken their own rules while manage to prove we broke none of theirs - and they’ve literally just changed the rules AGAIN to make sure they can punish us even further. 

 

This is one of those very rare articles in which a British sports journalist actually tells the truth about our situation, written 6 months before we beat the Premier League in court last September. Well worth a read:

 

https://archive.ph/PLO3k

 

That’s why, for me, there’s no point in changing owners despite Top’s culpability. We’ll still have the same problems we have now and we’ll still be operating under the same insane rules. As Samuel says - Leicester City are not in any financial difficulty whatsoever. We’re owned by people with a CLEAR track record of investing their own money into the squad, into the club’s infrastructure, and into the local community. And they have a clear track record of achieving sustainable success. 

 

This is part of the statement the club put out last March, 6 months before they beat the Premier League in an independent panel:

 

LCFC has repeatedly demonstrated its commitment to the P&S rules through its operating model over a considerable period, achieving compliance while pursuing sporting ambitions that are entirely credible given the consistent success that the Club has achieved in that time, both domestically and in European competition. As we continue to represent the Club’s position, we will continue to fight for the right of all clubs to pursue their ambitions, particularly where these have been reasonably and fairly established through sustained sporting achievement.

 

They’re standing up for the club against a hostile league that has forgotten what fair competition is. I’m furious with our failures but that statement (and our win in September) at least gives me that little bit of faith that things can be turned around. Cos this isn’t over, not by a long way. 

 

19 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Our club definitely isn't a model of perfection and we have made some horrendous recruitment decisions by putting too much faith in poor managers, Rodgers in particular. 

 

But I do think, in fairness, we as fans do forget that there was a major pandemic. 

 

We are almost certainly the Premier League club that was MOST significantly hit by covid. It came at exactly the wrong moment for us, we'd just spent all of this money to try and bridge the gap to the top four and then wham. 

 

To make it worse, we're one of the clubs most reliant on match day revenue. Our commercial revenue was miles behind a lot of the teams we were above, let alone the ones we were trying to reach, then that rug got swept entirely from under us in a manner that literally nobody could ever have predicted. 

 

I hate to sound like I'm overly defending Top because he's made some business decisions that are frankly unforgivable, in particular the fact we still don't have any modern sporting director in sight and if it's true he's the main drive behind us getting RVN after his dad make the same mistake with Sven then that's ****ing shameful. 

 

But it does mitigate just how bad we've been over the last five or so years and there's some validity to it as an excuse. 

 

 

The thing is, we were THE model of perfection between 2015-2021. (Don’t laugh)

 

We’d developed a strategy of trading one big asset for a huge amount of money (Kante, Drinkwater, Mahrez, Slabhead, Chilwell were profits of 25m, 37m, 60m, 60m and 50m respectively) in exchange for a large number of players that would improve the squad each time. It has HIGHLY successful, culminating in our FA Cup win and Europa Conference semi final. 

 

What happened to us between 2020-2022 was a series of events, most of which beyond our control, that uniquely affected US as a football club far more than anyone else, that has had truly devastating and catastrophic consequences for us. 

 

— COVID is a massive one as you point out. Completely killed our momentum on the pitch and ****ed up our income off it.

       — The pandemic UNIQUELY affected King Power’s finances which lost the company BILLIONS.

— Failure to qualify for the Champions League in 2020 and 2021.

       — Basic prize money just for appearing in the Group Stages is 400% higher in the CL than the EL. 

       — And that’s before you add in the gate receipts, broadcasting money and greater exposure to more lucrative sponsorships and merchandising deals.

— MAJOR injury crises

       — Ricardo and Justin missed 58 and 98 games respectively

       — Fofana missed most of his second season due to a deliberate and malicious foul

       — Evans missed 50-60 games over his time here

       — Ndidi has missed about 2 months out of 4 of the last 5 seasons

       — Barnes and Maddison both missed significant parts of 2-3 seasons each

       — at some point we literally had 4 players missing due to ACLs (Ricardo, JJ, Alves and Braybrooke), AND had a major COVID outbreak that resulted in us playing 15-16 year olds.

             — We beat Liverpool with a back 4 of Castagne, Amartey, Ndidi and Luke ****ing Thomas!!

— Changes to PSR rules which turned our previously successful transfer strategy into an immediate vulnerability that meant we had no choice but to do some serious self-harm in order to comply with.

       — The Premier League’s behaviour here has been unrelenting shocking. Read the posts above. It should be a ****ing scandal. 

— Forced change of sponsorship to comply with APT rules

       — King Power signed up to sponsor our stadium and shirts on a 10 year deal in 2010. When that expired the club did a deal with Thailand’s tourist board for the COVID season. 

       — APT (Associated Party Transactions) rules tightening (designed to mitigate Newcastle’s new owners cheating like Manchester City have done) meant sponsorship deals linked to club’s owners were under far, far more scrutiny, even further restricting what owners can invest.

       — For people wondering why the club signed up to the dodgiest of sponsorship deals, this is why. The Premier League literally made it the only alternative to the owner putting in his own money.

        — Man City successfully challenged the APT rules in court last October (3 aspects of the rules were ruled illegal) and are going again on the subject as we speak.

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None of the above absolves Top or Rudkin or Susan of any responsibility for their own mistakes. But they had a perfect storm of unprecedented problems that affected us more than any other club, some of which caused by a demonstrably incompetent (by their own admission) and corrupt league’s actively hostile behaviour towards us, as well as their blatant preferential treatment towards other clubs in their PSR calculations AND their decades long failure to hold other clubs accountable for brazen cheating (Manchester City and the other ‘big’ clubs, plus Tottenham).

 

All of this has cost the club close to a billion quid in potential lost earnings.

— The Champions League would have brought in HUGE amounts of money through gate receipts, basic prize money, broadcasting, sponsorship and merchandising;

— Getting relegated the first time saw £150m+ walk out the door for way, WAY below its value and required a rebuild by the same useless twats who have gone on to make the same ****ing transfer and wages mistakes

— The loss of Premier League money - prize money, broadcasting, gate receipts, sponsorship and merchandising and having to enter the far, far stricter financial controls of the EFL.

 

The only thing giving me any hope is the wording of the statements the club released each time they won a case against the EFL or Premier League:

 

From September:

The Premier League first referred the Club to an independent Commission in March 2024 for an alleged PSR breach relating to the assessment period ending 30 June 2023. The Commission dismissed the Club’s initial challenge to its jurisdiction to hear the case, but the Club’s challenge has now been upheld by an independent Appeal Board, which reversed the Commission’s finding.

The full decision has been published at .

Leicester City welcomes the Appeal Board’s comprehensive decision, which supports our consistently stated position that any action against the Club should be pursued in accordance with the applicable rules.

To avoid any misunderstandings which may arise in light of the statement which has been issued by the Premier League in response to the appeal decision, Leicester City wishes to emphasise the finding of the Appeal Panel that, when considering the wording which is actually used in the Premier League rules (in accordance with established principles of English law) the Club did not breach the Premier League PSRs for the assessment period ending 30 June 2023.

In its decision, the Appeal Board (which was made of up a panel of three experienced, senior lawyers, two of whom are former Court of Appeal judges) identifies flaws in the drafting of the Premier League’s rules. In challenging the Premier League’s attempts to charge Leicester City, the Club has simply sought to ensure (in the interests of providing consistency and certainty for all clubs) that the rules are applied based on how they are actually written.

 

And last March:

 

LCFC today releases the following statement.

LCFC notes the publication today of the decision of the League Arbitration Panel (LAP).

As the LAP decision records, the EFL wrote to the Premier League on 20 March 2024 (the day before the PL brought its PSR complaint against LCFC), stating that the EFL would ensure that any sanction imposed by a Premier League Disciplinary Commission against LCFC would take effect while LCFC was in the Championship, whilst also noting that any points deduction sought by the Premier League would need to be applied before 4 May 2024.

However, after the Club challenged the EFL’s intention to act outside of its rules, the EFL subsequently unconditionally accepted that it does not in fact have any power, from any source, to impose a points deduction in the EFL which has been ordered by a Premier League Disciplinary Commission in relation to PSR.

LCFC continues to try and co-operate constructively with both the Premier League and the EFL to reach a lawful resolution of any issues relating to PSR, in accordance with our consistent commitment that any charges against the Club should be properly and proportionately determined, in accordance with the applicable rules, by the right bodies, and at the right time.

 

And the day before:

 

Leicester City is surprised at the actions the Premier League has taken today. The Club is extremely disappointed that the Premier League has chosen to charge LCFC now, despite the Club’s efforts to engage constructively with the Premier League in relation to the matters that are the subject of this charge, even though LCFC is not currently a Premier League club.

LCFC remains willing and eager to engage constructively with the Premier League and the EFL to seek the proper resolution of any potential charges, by the right bodies, and at the right time. The Club continues to take careful advice about its position and, if necessary, will continue to defend itself from any unlawful acts by the football authorities, should they seek to exercise jurisdiction where they cannot do so, as occurred earlier this year.

LCFC has repeatedly demonstrated its commitment to the P&S rules through its operating model over a considerable period, achieving compliance while pursuing sporting ambitions that are entirely credible given the consistent success that the Club has achieved in that time, both domestically and in European competition. As we continue to represent the Club’s position, we will continue to fight for the right of all clubs to pursue their ambitions, particularly where these have been reasonably and fairly established through sustained sporting achievement.

The Club thanks its supporters for their understanding in this matter and for their continued support for our team, whose success on the pitch during the final weeks of the season remains our primary focus.

 

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They ARE fighting for the club. They stood up to the EFL and Premier League last season when they were brazenly breaking their own rules. We took them both to arbitration through the appropriate channels and won, every single time. They WILL come after us again next season. But the club are standing their ground strongly in the face of corruption and aggression as well as the media’s complete and total failure to report any of this honestly.

 

YES I want changes at the club. YES they are responsible for a hell of a lot. But the Premier League and their pet clubs are too. Far more than, in my opinion.  

 

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Sorry about the long post. Here is a gif representation of how I feel about the matter:

 

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Dylan G is us just trying to compete. Seth in the background is the Premier League doing their best to prevent that. 

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On 28/04/2025 at 12:36, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Transfer window opens earlier on June 1st because of the World Club Championship. I suggest we use that opportunity to get some business done early before the EFL can get their hands on us.

 

No doubt those in power at the club will be asleep at the wheel as per usual though.

 

Rudkins got a 3 week holiday in Benidorm in June:brendan:

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