General News Thread

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Do we need to question the motives of all flag wavers if division may result

Hopefully not, but I fear that lack of questioning motives now might lead to...unforeseen consequences later. 

 

Hope I'm wrong there, though. 

[Wymsey]

'Fake news'?..

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgqnn4ngvdo

 

[Foxdiamond]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Hopefully not, but I fear that lack of questioning motives now might lead to...unforeseen consequences later. 

 

Hope I'm wrong there, though. 

Questioning motives of some or all engaged in flag waving or is that thought policing

[leicsmac]

7 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Questioning motives of some or all engaged in flag waving or is that thought policing

Questioning and anticipating where such sentiments might lead isn't thought policing. 

 

It's naive in the extreme to not acknowledge or accept that some of those engaged in this new outburst of patriotism have ill intent. 

[StanSP]

Lots of snippets around Zach Polanski becoming bigger and better for the Green Party. Definitely more of an attractive concept than the right side of politics... 

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Lots of snippets around Zach Polanski becoming bigger and better for the Green Party. Definitely more of an attractive concept than the right side of politics... 

It certainly is more attractive, but it'll only be more effective under the present system if it has coalition/alliance in mind.

[Jon the Hat]

10 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Lots of snippets around Zach Polanski becoming bigger and better for the Green Party. Definitely more of an attractive concept than the right side of politics... 

Hhe thinks its proportionate for 5 armed police officers to arrest a bloke for tweets, he can get in the bin.

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

Hhe thinks its proportionate for 5 armed police officers to arrest a bloke for tweets, he can get in the bin.

All politicians can get in the bin to some extent, let's face it

 

[leicsmac]

9 hours ago, Wymsey said:

'Fake news'?..

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgqnn4ngvdo

 

It is likely his, the problem is proving it to the degree that enough people accept it to be so. 

[kenny]

Many wondered why SKS had pulled Mandelsen back into politics and now we know. He can really relate to the US top politicians.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy9dwe50leo

 

[Foxdiamond]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Questioning and anticipating where such sentiments might lead isn't thought policing. 

 

It's naive in the extreme to not acknowledge or accept that some of those engaged in this new outburst of patriotism have ill intent. 

It seems only the intent of those flying union and England fans comes into question but not others

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, kenny said:

Many wondered why SKS had pulled Mandelsen back into politics and now we know. He can really relate to the US top politicians.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy9dwe50leo

 

Apparently so. 

 

No wonder he changed his tune on the current government over there. 

 

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

It seems only the intent of those flying union and England fans comes into question but not others

And that comes back to the degree of relative power the respective parties hold. More power should = more scrutiny. 

 

Unless folks want to see more scenes like last summer, only this time the "concerned patriots" do actually succeed in breaking into/burning down a building with many people inside?

 

The above being said, yes, of course it stands to reason that anyone advocating directly for one particular demographic of people, no matter who they may be,  deserves at least a cursory glance to make sure that advocacy isn't going to cross the line. 

[CosbehFox]

9 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Questioning motives of some or all engaged in flag waving or is that thought policing

Questioning isn't. That's critical thinking. 

 

Ordering is. 

[CosbehFox]

9 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

It seems only the intent of those flying union and England fans comes into question but not others

You've got to be kidding right? The mass hysteria sounding the LGBT flag amongst others says otherwise. 

[st albans fox]

greta’s boat caught fire 

Everyone safe

 

Tunisian authorities blamed a discarded cigarette or spliff

 

this video says different (if it’s authentic) 

 

Edited 9 September 2025 by st albans fox

[Sampson]

31 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

It seems only the intent of those flying union and England fans comes into question but not others

Eh? Reform councils had it is one of their highest priorities when they came in to try and set rules to demand people to actively stop people flying LGBT, Ukraine and Palestine flags on government buildings. It went further than simply questioning the intent.

Edited 9 September 2025 by Sampson

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

greta’s boat caught fire 

Everyone safe

 

Tunisian authorities blamed a discarded cigarette or spliff

 

this video says different (if it’s authentic) 

 

If this was a deliberate hit attempt, then quite frankly I'm surprised nothing like it has happened before. She's certainly annoyed enough of the kind of rich, arrogant and death-worshipping people that deserve to be annoyed in the name of the future. 

[st albans fox]

re deputy leader of the party 

I think candidates have to be in by this Friday 

I reckon that the left should be able to get someone on the ballot 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

If this was a deliberate hit attempt, then quite frankly I'm surprised nothing like it has happened before. She's certainly annoyed enough of the kind of rich, arrogant and death-worshipping people that deserve to be annoyed in the name of the future. 

If it’s a flare then it’s not a specific hit because you can’t direct a flare to land where you want it to. 
 

And drones don’t ignite like that afaik 

 

looks like an accident and if it is, amazing that it fell on her boat!  ‘the lord moves in mysterious ways’. 😉

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Eh? Reform councils had it is one of their highest priorities when they came in to try and set rules to demand people to actively stop people flying LGBT, Ukraine and Palestine flags on government buildings. It went further than simply questioning the intent.

I was more thinking of reactions here. See very little to question if all that counter protest or support Palestinian Action have only pure intent without malice

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

If it’s a flare then it’s not a specific hit because you can’t direct a flare to land where you want it to. 
 

And drones don’t ignite like that afaik 

 

looks like an accident and if it is, amazing that it fell on her boat!  ‘the lord moves in mysterious ways’. 😉

To add to this, given those people that she has annoyed, I'm inclined to think that they wouldn't be so amateur in their attempt. 

 

So probably just an accident, but I guess we'll see. 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

I was more thinking of reactions here. See very little to question if all that counter protest or support Palestinian Action have only pure intent without malice

Right. And when such groups have the same amount of power and are shown to engage in the same degree of repeated behaviour directly harming other human beings, then perhaps we can make an apples to apples comparison there. 

 

Until then, possibly something other than straight equivalences might be drawn. 

[urban.spaceman]

39 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

re deputy leader of the party 

I think candidates have to be in by this Friday 

I reckon that the left should be able to get someone on the ballot 

I mean, if the "left" of the party hadn't all had a hissy fit and either got themselves suspended or just ****ed off to form their own party, they'd probably still have some influence. 

 

Self defeating twats. 

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I mean, if the "left" of the party hadn't all had a hissy fit and either got themselves suspended or just ****ed off to form their own party, they'd probably still have some influence. 

 

Self defeating twats. 

This had occurred to me as I wrote my post 

 

probably lost 12/18 votes at least - is that enough to have made it to 80 for a truly LW candidate 

[Greg2607]

11 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Questioning motives of some or all engaged in flag waving or is that thought policing

I'd like to think that I'm more "open to debate" around these topics.   I'm certainly not intending to foister an opinion down someones throat.  But where those debates do happen, it can't be based purely on emotions or sentiment. 

 

If it's come across that I myself am being bigoted to those in a "group" then I'll apologise..... albeit..... I don't think I generally mind being bigoted towards people who are openly racist (i'm not accusing anyone on here of that, just for some piercing clarity) 

 

a real "value" for me, and it sits as a core of my being, is around fairness and equity.   I really struggle with seeing a society that doesn't operate with that principle at it's heart and as a populace, society in the UK is a far cry from this right now. 

 

society across the world is also a far cry from this too. 

 

"treat others as you'd want to be treated" just doesn't seem to be a thing anymore in the minds of many people across the UK.  It's disappointing.