General News Thread

[OntarioFox]

Cut through all the noise and the constant attacks from both the right wing media and a desperate Labour party, and it wasn't even close in the end. Despite it all, it's still the cost of living and the decline of public services that matter most to the electorate. Big up the 'Green Menace!' 💚

 

Now off you pop back to GBeebies, Matt! What a weird fella. 

 

Edited 27 February by OntarioFox

[Stevosevic]

I live in Manchester.

 

Troubling times with this result. 
 

Seems the Green Party is Pakistan before trees and clean energy these days. 

Edited 27 February by Stevosevic

[OntarioFox]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I think the question on everyone's lips is, Hannah Spencer - would you?

Gonna start posting her in the matchday thread instead of the countdown lady, let's leave it at that 

[Stevosevic]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

You’d think they’d be happy with a white working class labourer making it to parliament. It’s almost like it isn’t actually about that and reform are actually the ‘elite’ that was a reinforced unequal society that they can leach and make the most money off. 

Have you been to Gorton? She’s not won by representing white working class people so I don’t think anyone would think that.

 
It was the Islamic vote. That was the target and it worked. 

[CosbehFox]

28 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

I live in Manchester.

 

Troubling times with this result. 
 

Seems the Green Party is Pakistan before trees and clean energy these days. 

Why is it troubling times? This is the status quo for a number of years in areas with such a demographic split. 

 

Green Party led the same campaign which happens in a lot of inner city areas already - Leicester being one of them (particularly the independent who won two years ago). The difference here is that being a standalone by-election its highlighted it more. Labour would have done similar in previous campaigns. 

 

Any notion that it's troubling because it's Green Party's policies are nonsense because this is their 5th MP. They'd need to find 321 more which simply isn't going to happen. 

Edited 27 February by CosbehFox

[Lionator]

3 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Have you been to Gorton? She’s not won by representing white working class people so I don’t think anyone would think that.

 
It was the Islamic vote. That was the target and it worked. 

Thankfully we live in a democracy where everyone’s vote is equal. The Islamic vote is such a silly cope given 50% of young people in this country would vote for the Green Party if there was an election tomorrow. If people on the right want to cope themselves into thinking that the Greens only won because of Islam then that’s fine with me as it’ll miss the real economic and social reasons why a progressive left movement is thriving (like always it’s the economy). 

[leicsmac]

27 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

I live in Manchester.

 

Troubling times with this result. 
 

Seems the Green Party is Pakistan before trees and clean energy these days. 

They are still for those latter two things, it would seem. 

 

And, lest we forget, the party that finished second is for neither, to the detriment of us all. 

[Foxdiamond]

See turnout for both the by-election and general election for Gorton and Denton was less than 50%. 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Disagree with this. I think our FPTP system designed for a 2 party system which has split to a 5 party system in England means it’s more likely that a party gets a majority and therefore 100% of the power with 22% of the votes and more likely a “protest party” gets 100% of the power power. 
 

A 5-way split actually means winning by 3% of the total votes means you’re more likely to get a majority than a 3-way split 

It would certainly be interesting to find out who is right in 2029 if we retain the current party spread. 

[chuck'em]

11 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

See turnout for both the by-election and general election for Gorton and Denton was less than 50%. 

I used to work in Gorton and I'm surprised it's even close to 50% to be honest 

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, Stevosevic said:

I live in Manchester.

 

Troubling times with this result. 
 

Seems the Green Party is Pakistan before trees and clean energy these days. 

Wild post. 

 

To reduce Islam (or Muslims?) to just Pakistan is wild enough.

 

Green Party is led by a gay Jew, so anyone who does happen to be Muslim certainly can see past that and hope their lives are bettered by someone they believe in (a white female after all too). Maybe they're not the problem... 

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, chuck'em said:

I used to work in Gorton and I'm surprised it's even close to 50% to be honest 

Perhaps this seat is far from representative of the country. We've seen so called seismic results in other by-elections before only to be proved to be blips. 

[ajthefox]

1 hour ago, Stevosevic said:

I live in Manchester.

 

Troubling times with this result. 
 

Seems the Green Party is Pakistan before trees and clean energy these days. 

 

49 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Have you been to Gorton? She’s not won by representing white working class people so I don’t think anyone would think that.

 
It was the Islamic vote. That was the target and it worked. 

I know nothing of Gorton but what are you actually saying? What is so troubling to you about this and the repercussions of the greens being in charge?

 

 

[David Guiza II]

43 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Have you been to Gorton? She’s not won by representing white working class people so I don’t think anyone would think that.

 
It was the Islamic vote. That was the target and it worked. 

Would it be more or less troubling if Matt Goodwin, who seemed to see the Handmaid's Tale as guidebook were to have won the election? 

 

Where I live is dominated by posh, white, Tories and the local MP makes no effort whatsoever to appeal to anybody but that demographic. Is that OK?

[Stevosevic]

2 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

 

I know nothing of Gorton but what are you actually saying? What is so troubling to you about this and the repercussions of the greens being in charge?

 

 

I think there is plenty in Zack Polanski’s policies to be troubled by. 
 

A world without borders? Come on. Statements like that are a threat to our national security and it’s concerning there is a decent number of people in agreement. 
 

I could go on. 

[Samilktray]

2 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

I think there is plenty in Zack Polanski’s policies to be troubled by. 
 

A world without borders? Come on. Statements like that are a threat to our national security and it’s concerning there is a decent number of people in agreement. 
 

I could go on. 

Please do, its good to hear differing views imho

[Stevosevic]

16 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Wild post. 

 

To reduce Islam (or Muslims?) to just Pakistan is wild enough.

 

Green Party is led by a gay Jew, so anyone who does happen to be Muslim certainly can see past that and hope their lives are bettered by someone they believe in (a white female after all too). Maybe they're not the problem... 

 Large part of the campaign was done with Pakistan flags being displayed throughout Gorton. That’s why I used that country.

 

As I say, I live in Manchester, I go through Gorton daily, I am very close to this and what I saw in the whipping up of support.

 

Thankfully this isn’t the seat I live in. 

[CosbehFox]

9 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Perhaps this seat is far from representative of the country. We've seen so called seismic results in other by-elections before only to be proved to be blips. 

But that in essence is the electorate system in the UK. The seats are all different with different priorities. By-elections these local issues come to the forefront - in some cases because a MP has disgraced themselves which means those holding the seat have very little chance of maintaining it (as you say blips). If this was a seat in a rural area, Labour would be 700 like the Tories are now. 

 

The winning of the election is always the party that can swim against that tide and appeal to those outside of their traditional base. There is some interesting trends reflective of generational and social changes. We will see suburbs of academic cities go left from traditionally Tory but mid-sized cities in the suburbs such as Leicester will go likely go right more. I find it fascinating as a snapshot of the country and where its at. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

I think there is plenty in Zack Polanski’s policies to be troubled by. 
 

A world without borders? Come on. Statements like that are a threat to our national security and it’s concerning there is a decent number of people in agreement. 
 

I could go on. 

Conflict occurs because of borders, not a lack of them. Without borders you have no need for "national" security.

 

Wishful thinking from a human standpoint, but indefatigably true nonetheless.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

What a beautiful morning...

 

Hopefully the first of many.

[CosbehFox]

Separate post but I think there's the dimension at play here that for all their patriotic blush Reform do a lot of talking the country down and it's all just a bit miserable. Their supporters using a video of Hannah Spencer dancing as some kind of stick to beat her with. Despite Andrea Jenkins going full stars in your ears at their party conference. 

 

I think that's why Goodwin is so sore. Reform realistically knew they'd probably lose but it's that he's lost to the underdog so to speak, someone who isn't as serious, isn't a graduate and isn't out there doing TV shows. More of a traditional politically background. Personally I welcome that rejection of the type of MP Goodwin would be. 

[Mike the Metal Ed]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

Separate post but I think there's the dimension at play here that for all their patriotic blush Reform do a lot of talking the country down and it's all just a bit miserable. Their supporters using a video of Hannah Spencer dancing as some kind of stick to beat her with. Despite Andrea Jenkins going full stars in your ears at their party conference. 

 

I think that's why Goodwin is so sore. Reform realistically knew they'd probably lose but it's that he's lost to the underdog so to speak, someone who isn't as serious, isn't a graduate and isn't out there doing TV shows. More of a traditional politically background. Personally I welcome that rejection of the type of MP Goodwin would be. 

Fascism is miserable. It's where people are supposed to turn when all hope has been erased.

 

Whether it's the fascism of the Taliban, the Republicans or Reform, it's a life of miserable servitude.

[Stevosevic]

Just now, Trav Le Bleu said:

Conflict occurs because of borders, not a lack of them. Without borders you have no need for "national" security.

 

Wishful thinking from a human standpoint, but indefatigably true nonetheless.

There are more to borders than just geographical boundaries.

 

Religion, values, culture, crime are all varying around the world.

 

A world without borders would be lawlessness. You need borders to keep out some aspects of the world you don’t want on your own door step. There is lots wrong with the world but opening up borders would be far from a resolution. Imagine how many more illegal immigrants (current definition) would be flocking to major nations like the UK if it was even easier. You need control. 
 

 

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

But that in essence is the electorate system in the UK. The seats are all different with different priorities. By-elections these local issues come to the forefront - in some cases because a MP has disgraced themselves which means those holding the seat have very little chance of maintaining it (as you say blips). If this was a seat in a rural area, Labour would be 700 like the Tories are now. 

 

The winning of the election is always the party that can swim against that tide and appeal to those outside of their traditional base. There is some interesting trends reflective of generational and social changes. We will see suburbs of academic cities go left from traditionally Tory but mid-sized cities in the suburbs such as Leicester will go likely go right more. I find it fascinating as a snapshot of the country and where its at. 

Unfortunately we now will have the professional pundits telling us what it means for the country as if a general election was following on the heels of a local result. They will fill the airwaves etc banging on about it rather than focus on what progress or not the government is doing on their policies.

[Foxdiamond]

8 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Conflict occurs because of borders, not a lack of them. Without borders you have no need for "national" security.

 

Wishful thinking from a human standpoint, but indefatigably true nonetheless.

Taken to the extreme no borders or walls or fences at home. Conflict arises without borders anyway.