General News Thread

[Bellend Sebastian]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It is darkly interesting to see how crime figures across the board have fallen over the last 30 years, yet folks still believe that things have actually gotten worse - as the below graph indicates. 

 

It's a tremendous example of how massive information exposure today can shape people's opinions, making problems either bigger or smaller than they actually are - and, sadly, be used to manipulate in various ways. 

 

Recency bias and survivorship bias with respect to the past clearly play a part, too.

 

 

That's all very well Mac but show me your graph of levels of people saying 'everything is broken', that would be OFF THE SCALE

[Zear0]

Just to make today even more chaotic following the domestic issues...

 

 

[davieG]

Tit for Tat politics

 

I wonder who the biggest Tit is?

[Bellend Sebastian]

4 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Just to make today even more chaotic following the domestic issues...

 

 

And our compact friend Stephen Yaxley-Lennon has apparently been in Moscow meeting Elon Musk's Dad in I expect a very patriotic way, it really is all happening

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

That's all very well Mac but show me your graph of levels of people saying 'everything is broken', that would be OFF THE SCALE

Well, judging by the reaction I got here to posting reasonably hard numbers, I think you've got a point there. 

 

Still, it's hardly the only area where perception appears to override fact. 

 

1 minute ago, Zear0 said:

Just to make today even more chaotic following the domestic issues...

 

 

Ah, yes. 

 

The poster child for the above sentiment of perception overriding fact and its consequences. 

[DennisNedry]

4 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It is darkly interesting to see how crime figures across the board have fallen over the last 30 years, yet folks still believe that things have actually gotten worse - as the below graph indicates. 

 

It's a tremendous example of how massive information exposure today can shape people's opinions, making problems either bigger or smaller than they actually are - and, sadly, be used to manipulate in various ways. 

 

Recency bias and survivorship bias with respect to the past clearly play a part, too.

 

 

Are the above trends replicated in violent crime statistics?

 

How much of the decrease has came about due to the continued underfunding of the Police, meaning that the statistics are now artificially low?

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Are the above trends replicated in violent crime statistics?

 

How much of the decrease has came about due to the continued underfunding of the Police, meaning that the statistics are now artificially low?

Yes (I can provide further data if needed), and that is a variable that could apply at any time and so I don't think it can really be held as significant, in that order.

[JonnyBoy]

1 minute ago, DennisNedry said:

Are the above trends replicated in violent crime statistics?

 

How much of the decrease has came about due to the continued underfunding of the Police, meaning that the statistics are now artificially low?

Bang on. All petty crime is rarely reported these days. Don’t even see coppers patrolling the streets 

 

I am sure there is more violent knife crime in the last ten years than 30 years ago, and victims are getting younger. 
 

You hear about “we used to play out til 10pm in the good old days and never worry” now you need eyes in the back of your head wondering if you will get jumped 

 

Proper punishment is in the bin now as well, everyone plays the mental health card, look at the case with those poor uni students from Nottingham, can you imagine the horror the families are still enduring 

 

we are just a soft, pamper to the left, sad country now. No wonder child birth rates have plummeted can you blame people not bringing kids into this world 

 

But don’t worry, social media magnifies issues and crime isn’t bad or out of control. Move on

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

Bang on. All petty crime is rarely reported these days. Don’t even see coppers patrolling the streets 

 

I am sure there is more violent knife crime in the last ten years than 30 years ago, and victims are getting younger. 
 

You hear about “we used to play out til 10pm in the good old days and never worry” now you need eyes in the back of your head wondering if you will get jumped 

 

Proper punishment is in the bin now as well, everyone plays the mental health card, look at the case with those poor uni students from Nottingham, can you imagine the horror the families are still enduring 

 

we are just a soft, pamper to the left, sad country now. No wonder child birth rates have plummeted can you blame people not bringing kids into this world 

 

But don’t worry, social media magnifies issues and crime isn’t bad or out of control. Move on

Not going to comment on this other than the bolded:

 

You certainly can't blame people for not wanting to bring kids into the world at the moment, but that's probably for the best because the same powerful people who don't mind the idea of massive ethnic conflict also don't care about forthcoming resource shortages caused by the way the Earth is changing that will help lead to exactly that.

 

People really are picking the wrong targets for the way the world is. But so it goes. 

Edited 17 hours ago by leicsmac

[JonnyBoy]

1 hour ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

That's all very well Mac but show me your graph of levels of people saying 'everything is broken', that would be OFF THE SCALE

I have absolutely no tolerance for abhorrent scenes of violence like this on our streets. - that was Kier Starmers tweet earlier 

 

Another day, another horrific subhuman act on our streets, & another tweet condemning it. Before it happens again

[Parafox]

23 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

Bang on. All petty crime is rarely reported these days. Don’t even see coppers patrolling the streets 

 

I am sure there is more violent knife crime in the last ten years than 30 years ago, and victims are getting younger. 
 

You hear about “we used to play out til 10pm in the good old days and never worry” now you need eyes in the back of your head wondering if you will get jumped 

 

Proper punishment is in the bin now as well, everyone plays the mental health card, look at the case with those poor uni students from Nottingham, can you imagine the horror the families are still enduring 

 

we are just a soft, pamper to the left, sad country now. No wonder child birth rates have plummeted can you blame people not bringing kids into this world 

 

But don’t worry, social media magnifies issues and crime isn’t bad or out of control. Move on

I assume your not talking about those living in sink council estates and the single mums with kids with absent fathers? Just one night of sex and your bringing a child into the world. Do you think they care about the wider social/economic consequences?

 

The girl really fancied the guy so she had a quick shag in the hope that getting pregnant would tie the father to the mother.

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, Lionator said:

The enemy is Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher and all the politicians that continue to apply their failed socio economic policies. A mentally deranged war victim from Sudan isn’t your enemy. 

He is if I’m the fella pinned on the ground with a knife on my neck 

 

that’s what people see and that’s what they respond to 

 

the numbers become unimportant in that context 

 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

He is if I’m the fella pinned on the ground with a knife on my neck 

 

that’s what people see and that’s what they respond to 

 

the numbers become unimportant in that context 

 

Exactly. 

 

That's what the human hindbrain drives us to. It's just the way we're wired.

 

Unfortunately, when dealing with at least some situations going forward, the way our hindbrains work doesn't end well. 

 

 

[when_you're_smiling]

58 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

Bang on. All petty crime is rarely reported these days. Don’t even see coppers patrolling the streets 

 

I am sure there is more violent knife crime in the last ten years than 30 years ago, and victims are getting younger. 
 

You hear about “we used to play out til 10pm in the good old days and never worry” now you need eyes in the back of your head wondering if you will get jumped 

 

Proper punishment is in the bin now as well, everyone plays the mental health card, look at the case with those poor uni students from Nottingham, can you imagine the horror the families are still enduring 

 

we are just a soft, pamper to the left, sad country now. No wonder child birth rates have plummeted can you blame people not bringing kids into this world 

 

But don’t worry, social media magnifies issues and crime isn’t bad or out of control. Move on

The ‘it was better in my day’. Has been said for generations upon generations and probably all generations to come.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

The ‘it was better in my day’. Has been said for generations upon generations and probably all generations to come.

Survivorship bias and reverse recency bias are a hell of a thing. 

[foxfanazer]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Not going to comment on this other than the bolded:

 

You certainly can't blame people for not wanting to bring kids into the world at the moment, but that's probably for the best because the same powerful people who don't mind the idea of massive ethnic conflict also don't care about forthcoming resource shortages caused by the way the Earth is changing that will help lead to exactly that.

 

People really are picking the wrong targets for the way the world is. But so it goes. 

As somebody with a young family my fear is the immediate danger. Of course there's also a bigger picture but if any of these violent crimes were inflicted on my kids or partner my first thought certainly isn't going to be about Ronald Reagan

 

I think people are quite justified in feeling threatened and protective. How that's manifested is a different matter 

[leicsmac]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

As somebody with a young family my fear is the immediate danger. Of course there's also a bigger picture but if any of these violent crimes were inflicted on my kids or partner my first thought certainly isn't going to be about Ronald Reagan

 

I think people are quite justified in feeling threatened and protective. How that's manifested is a different matter 

As per above, it's entirely understandable how people react in the way you describe here.

 

That doesn't stop the bigger picture being relevant and, if ignored, making consequences that affect every single kid alive, though.

[bovril]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

As somebody with a young family my fear is the immediate danger. Of course there's also a bigger picture but if any of these violent crimes were inflicted on my kids or partner my first thought certainly isn't going to be about Ronald Reagan

 

I think people are quite justified in feeling threatened and protective. How that's manifested is a different matter 

I don't really want my daughter growing up in Britain. There is crime including violent crime in other countries but there's an increasing feeling here that we are constantly on the verge of an extremely violent event and even if that's somewhat magnified by social media, it's no way to live life. That's before you even get to violence towards women. 

[foxfanazer]

50 minutes ago, bovril said:

I don't really want my daughter growing up in Britain. There is crime including violent crime in other countries but there's an increasing feeling here that we are constantly on the verge of an extremely violent event and even if that's somewhat magnified by social media, it's no way to live life. That's before you even get to violence towards women. 

Agreed. And I do get what @leicsmac is saying about us having  a lot more exposure to news and media than we did in previous generations but it doesn't mean these things aren't happening pretty much on the daily. 

 

My stomach is in knots everytime I read a story of a violent crime or sexual crimes against minors. The "it probably won't happen to you or your family" attitude does nothing to ease the angst

 

And for what it's worth I get the same feeling in my stomach when I see any Tommy Robinson type figures fanning the flames too. It's a genuinely frightening time to raise a family

Edited 15 hours ago by foxfanazer

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Agreed. And I do get what @leicsmac is saying about us having  a lot more exposure to news and media than we did in previous generations but it doesn't mean these things aren't happening pretty much on the daily. 

 

My stomach is in knots everytime I read a story of a violent crime or sexual crimes against minors. The "it probably won't happen to you or you family" attitude does nothing to ease the angst

 

And for what it's worth I get the same feeling in my stomach when I see any Tommy Robinson type figures fanning the flames too. It's a genuinely frightening time to raise a family

Honestly, just for clarity's sake mate, I made that original post with the stats not to highlight the world was in good shape (it really isn't, for all the reasons talked about), but rather to indicate that people were picking the wrong cause for the world not being in good shape.

 

Anyone on here knows I'm hardly the biggest optimist, and I share the same concerns a lot of folk here do. It's just that responses that don't involve cool heads and targeted solutions to issues like the one that's been discussed today will make life worse for those families spoken of, not better. 

[Raj]

Quicker the football starts the better...

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Raj said:

Quicker the football starts the better...

Not Leicester though 

[bovril]

5 minutes ago, Raj said:

Quicker the football starts the better...

Feel like this is said every summer now. Who knows maybe it isn't just boredom... 

[bovril]

tbh loyalists don't really need much encouragement to riot

[South Shire Fox]

This sort of stuff is just going to happen more and more unfortunately. The UK is seriously fcked