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Posted
18 minutes ago, Raj said:

John talking sense again.:appl:

I’d like to think I do most of the time. Then I go on the on main forum, see a KP

defender posting and there is my red tag to a bull lol

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Posted

When Trump is gone, I hope we heal as fast as his ear did!

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, lcfcell said:

Pretty funny we even have to have this debate as an island. If they wanted to stop it they could tomorrow. 
 

I hear this all the time,  can you please explain how they could,  without us becoming a pariah state??

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

I hear this all the time,  can you please explain how they could,  without us becoming a piranha state??

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If the answer isn't sharks with lazer beams I don't know what is.

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Ooh come on but I shouldn’t be surprised in a forum where perception has to be All or Nothing.

I think I can say with some certainty that not a single poster on here is anti-immigration, can the morality wall not just remove a brick or 2 and see that many posters are being driven away for fear of being labelled as some far-right loon for mentioning anything other than ‘come on in’.

A lot of these threads are getting boring now stemming from the watering down of what it actually means to be far right.
There are posters that will link a comment from a reform member or that other idiot and whip themselves into frenzy believing that there are other posters on here who fully agree with said idiots and want to quickly belittle them in making a comment…however it is ok to agree in parts but you can’t say that because perception is you agree in all & out come the knives.

This latest comment was a simple look over the fence at what another country is doing and after a few comments quickly became ok then should English stay in England, Spanish stay in Spain etc etc all very boring.

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Ooh come on but I shouldn’t be surprised in a forum where perception has to be All or Nothing.

I think I can say with some certainty that not a single poster on here is anti-immigration, can the morality wall not just remove a brick or 2 and see that many posters are being driven away for fear of being labelled as some far-right loon for mentioning anything other than ‘come on in’.

A lot of these threads are getting boring now stemming from the watering down of what it actually means to be far right.
There are posters that will link a comment from a reform member or that other idiot and whip themselves into frenzy believing that there are other posters on here who fully agree with said idiots and want to quickly belittle them in making a comment…however it is ok to agree in parts but you can’t say that because perception is you agree in all & out come the knives.

This latest comment was a simple look over the fence at what another country is doing and after a few comments quickly became ok then should English stay in England, Spanish stay in Spain etc etc all very boring.

The people you speak of in that "morality wall" didn't make this matter so polarised in the first instance. 

 

Yes, nuance is important, but it's also important to recognise when the lines have been very clearly drawn, either by oneself or someone else. 

 

That, unfortunately, is the world we currently inhabit. 

 

NB. I have precious little doubt that you're right and the vast majority, if not all, of the people here are not truly anti migration and do not want an ethnostate. However, again unfortunately, they are not the ones speaking the loudest and therefore setting the tone for policy discussion, and so that is what everyone might still get. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Robo61 said:

I hear this all the time,  can you please explain how they could,  without us becoming a pariah state??

Stop the incentive for them coming here for one 

Posted
53 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Ooh come on but I shouldn’t be surprised in a forum where perception has to be All or Nothing.

I think I can say with some certainty that not a single poster on here is anti-immigration, can the morality wall not just remove a brick or 2 and see that many posters are being driven away for fear of being labelled as some far-right loon for mentioning anything other than ‘come on in’.

A lot of these threads are getting boring now stemming from the watering down of what it actually means to be far right.
There are posters that will link a comment from a reform member or that other idiot and whip themselves into frenzy believing that there are other posters on here who fully agree with said idiots and want to quickly belittle them in making a comment…however it is ok to agree in parts but you can’t say that because perception is you agree in all & out come the knives.

This latest comment was a simple look over the fence at what another country is doing and after a few comments quickly became ok then should English stay in England, Spanish stay in Spain etc etc all very boring.

Mentioned similar to this the other day when someone posted some Tommy Robinson tweet. Literally the only time I see a tweet from them or trump, it's come from someone on the left. lol

 

The same when Starmer announced he was stepping down and the entire day turned into reform boogaboo. 

 

World is weird af right now. And awkward, sat here as someone who is a couple of degrees right of centre who doesn't support reform, where the hell am I supposed to put my vote? :unsure:

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Posted
7 hours ago, Stevosevic said:

The problem with the far left is they are more than happy to prioritise people from other countries than the natives. And no not all immigrants are doctors and nurses - we know it’s a trendy line to use but let’s not pretend all the people that are entering our country are adding some great value. Many are quite frankly taking the micky at our expense. 

Why are so many sweeping statements made about large swathes of people based on some weird and frankly outdated left-right political spectrum descriptions?

I get that it's a human trait to want to simplify, compartmentalize and categorize to more easily make sense of the world, but some humility and appreciation that the world isn't black or white, left or right, us or them would not go amiss.

 

This isn't coined at you specifically, but a general comment on the political debate in here.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, shen said:

Why are so many sweeping statements made about large swathes of people based on some weird and frankly outdated left-right political spectrum descriptions?

I get that it's a human trait to want to simplify, compartmentalize and categorize to more easily make sense of the world, but some humility and appreciation that the world isn't black or white, left or right, us or them would not go amiss.

 

This isn't coined at you specifically, but a general comment on the political debate in here.

 

On 10/01/2026 at 09:14, leicsmac said:

 

Left or right doesn't matter so much now. What matters now, in 2026, is those willing to advocate for and act in favour of life and the future, and those who don't and would rather focus on their own self interest above all else.  

 

Posted
10 minutes ago, shen said:

Why are so many sweeping statements made about large swathes of people based on some weird and frankly outdated left-right political spectrum descriptions?

I get that it's a human trait to want to simplify, compartmentalize and categorize to more easily make sense of the world, but some humility and appreciation that the world isn't black or white, left or right, us or them would not go amiss.

 

This isn't coined at you specifically, but a general comment on the political debate in here.

It is also not true,  I don't believe anyone on either side what to prioritise those not native to this country.  The difference between the left and the right is that the left don't wish to see anyone who wants to contribute to this country given incentives not too.  Those on the right wish to prioritise natives over all others no matter their willingness to contribute.  I appreciate that is a generalisation,  but it is certainly true of the extremes.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Innovindil said:

Mentioned similar to this the other day when someone posted some Tommy Robinson tweet. Literally the only time I see a tweet from them or trump, it's come from someone on the left. lol

 

The same when Starmer announced he was stepping down and the entire day turned into reform boogaboo. 

 

World is weird af right now. And awkward, sat here as someone who is a couple of degrees right of centre who doesn't support reform, where the hell am I supposed to put my vote? :unsure:

A couple of degrees right of centre? Keir Starmer's Labour Party might have been a good start.

Posted
24 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

A couple of degrees right of centre? Keir Starmer's Labour Party might have been a good start.

Still amazes me that people think this. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, bovril said:

Still amazes me that people think this. 

That was very, very tongue-in-cheek.

 

I literally spent three hours last week explaining why this was wrong!

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Posted
9 hours ago, Innovindil said:

Mentioned similar to this the other day when someone posted some Tommy Robinson tweet. Literally the only time I see a tweet from them or trump, it's come from someone on the left. lol

 

The same when Starmer announced he was stepping down and the entire day turned into reform boogaboo. 

 

World is weird af right now. And awkward, sat here as someone who is a couple of degrees right of centre who doesn't support reform, where the hell am I supposed to put my vote? :unsure:

LibDems

Posted
18 hours ago, Robo61 said:

It is also not true,  I don't believe anyone on either side what to prioritise those not native to this country.  The difference between the left and the right is that the left don't wish to see anyone who wants to contribute to this country given incentives not too.  Those on the right wish to prioritise natives over all others no matter their willingness to contribute.  I appreciate that is a generalisation,  but it is certainly true of the extremes.  

So you make a sweeping statement of what those on the right wish to prioritise and then say it's certainly true of the extremes

 

I do find that posts like this are what people are talking about when it comes to being labelled as far right if you're are only right leaning 

 

 

Posted
14 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

So you make a sweeping statement of what those on the right wish to prioritise and then say it's certainly true of the extremes

 

I do find that posts like this are what people are talking about when it comes to being labelled as far right if you're are only right leaning 

 

 

A problem is that while the moderates (on all sides) are trying to make their voices heard, the extremes are the ones actually setting the agenda, so it doesn't really matter what the moderates think or say. 

 

Also, given the subject matter, it's pretty damn difficult to objectively define what such compassing means anyway, when it means different things to different people.

Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

A problem is that while the moderates (on all sides) are trying to make their voices heard, the extremes are the ones actually setting the agenda, so it doesn't really matter what the moderates think or say. 

 

Also, given the subject matter, it's pretty damn difficult to objectively define what such compassing means anyway, when it means different things to different people.

Whilst true in the grand scheme of things, when debating on here everybody should be granted the same level of respect. Obviously so long as their points aren't inciting hate, violence or racism etc

 

I just find the labelling a little tiresome and unhelpful to the overall debate 

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Posted
12 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Whilst true in the grand scheme of things, when debating on here everybody should be granted the same level of respect. Obviously so long as their points aren't inciting hate, violence or racism etc

 

I just find the labelling a little tiresome and unhelpful to the overall debate 

No disagreement there, it's very easy for things to become entrenched. 

 

Unfortunately, such polarisation is all too common in the world we live in today. Though perhaps the online world isn't a true reflection of real life interaction. 

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Just saw some of the earthquake footage in Venezuela. Can think of few things more terrifying given earthquakes are so hard to predict likr thunderstorms are and just comr from nowhere, one was in a festival, people just outside with friends and family enjoying music in the sun when it hit.

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