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[Clogger_]

Just to add that I find it shocking - disgusting even - how eager many right wing 'politicians' were to allow US to use Diego Garcia, Akriotiri etc in the initial strikes. They're a genuine fifth column acting against our national interest

Edited 4 March by Clogger_

[Innovindil]

16 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Starmer should treat Trump's latest comments as a badge of honour. Genuinely, if Trump is praising you, you're almost certainly getting something wrong.

 

The war is clearly illegal under international law. The pretext changes on an hourly basis. There's obviously no plan for what comes next. By those tests alone (and leaving aside any ethical considerations which IMO are even more important) it is *obviously* correct to stay out of it. 

 

History won't be kind to the current US administration.

 

Tbf I don't think the present is being very kind to them either. Saw a figure yesterday saying some 27% of Americans support this Iran nonsense.

 

Dunno where it came from but if it's accurate you've got to think that's one of the lowest approval ratings for war the American people have ever come out with. Usually they all love a bombing run. 

[leicsmac]

19 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Starmer should treat Trump's latest comments as a badge of honour. Genuinely, if Trump is praising you, you're almost certainly getting something wrong.

 

The war is clearly illegal under international law. The pretext changes on an hourly basis. There's obviously no plan for what comes next. By those tests alone (and leaving aside any ethical considerations which IMO are even more important) it is *obviously* correct to stay out of it. 

 

History won't be kind to the current US administration.

 

Unfortunately that will depend on who is recording the history when the time comes to record it. 

 

10 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Just to add that I find it shocking - disgusting even - how eager many right wing 'politicians' were to allow US to use Diego Garcia, Akriotiri etc in the initial strikes. They're a genuine fifth column acting against our national interest

In addition to this, the front pages of both the Telegraph and Mail today are a disgrace, but I guess that's hardly surprising given how pro-Trump and pro-war against people they don't like they both are. 

[Sampson]

Sadly some of the UK right wing press and certainly Farage have started putting America’s interest over Britain’s since Trump came back to power. Like it’s some international MAGA movement like the old international communist movements in the 80s, it’s weird. 

Edited 4 March by Sampson

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Sadly some of the UK right wing press and certainly Farage have started putting America’s interest over Britain’s since Trump came back to power. Like it’s some international MAGA movement like the old international communist movements in the 80s, it’s weird. 

It is weird, but I think the intent is pretty clear. 

[st albans fox]

7 hours ago, MPH said:

 

WELL….

 

 

I listen to a lot of podcasts about John kiryakou. He was the CIA agent  whistleblower who fessed up on the torture program being used at ( mostly) Guantanamo bay.. he explained : Robert Maxwell( Jewish)  known Mossad agent- Ghislain Maxwell his daughter. Jeffrey Epstein ( Jewish) highly likely mossad agent, gets money from mossad uses it to fly and buy people around the world, gets them in uncompromising positions- “ give me intel or I expose you” basically.

 

 

today - Trump is Israel’s attack dog.

Wrong thread MPH 

[Lionator]

Proper leadership.

 

[Lionator]

42 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Just to add that I find it shocking - disgusting even - how eager many right wing 'politicians' were to allow US to use Diego Garcia, Akriotiri etc in the initial strikes. They're a genuine fifth column acting against our national interest

The SAME people that call Blair a war criminal despite cheering him on. Well, a war with Iran would be EVEN worse than Iraq for our little, declining country and history will judge Starmer right if he stays out. 

[st albans fox]

Thought trumps words were interesting.  He said we wouldn’t let their planes land which meant that they had to fly way more hours.  makes me wonder if they proposed a compromise where they would only use our bases to land after their missions and we still refused. I think Diego Garcia was the primary issue. (Provides a route across sea to Iran with very low likelihood of being picked up by those likely to give any early warning to them)

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Lionator said:

The SAME people that call Blair a war criminal despite cheering him on. Well, a war with Iran would be EVEN worse than Iraq for our little, declining country and history will judge Starmer right if he stays out. 

why and how do you know ?

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Thought trumps words were interesting.  He said we wouldn’t let their planes land which meant that they had to fly way more hours.  makes me wonder if they proposed a compromise where they would only use our bases to land after their missions and we still refused. I think Diego Garcia was the primary issue. (Provides a route across sea to Iran with very low likelihood of being picked up by those likely to give any early warning to them)

 

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

why and how do you know ?

Sorry for answering a question with a question, but can you elaborate on what your overall point here is, Alby?

[Trav Le Bleu]

22 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

 

Sorry for answering a question with a question, but can you elaborate on what your overall point here is, Alby?

His full name is Albeit Idanow.

[Tommy G]

9 hours ago, foxes1988 said:

Yup should've moved it towards eastern med/gulf 2 weeks ago but somehow we didn't have the hindsight to do it.

 

Part of the issue is definitely our hollowed out Navy and armed forces so the equipment and forces we have is really top stuff but spread way to thin. Something something too little investment in last 20 years (I feel like almost every quite major issue this country has stems back to underinvestment to varying degrees)

Heard a former Navy commander on radio 5 this morning, going in 2 footed about how backward and unprepared the Navy is in modern times. Sounded a bit worrying tbh

[st albans fox]

50 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

 

Sorry for answering a question with a question, but can you elaborate on what your overall point here is, Alby?

Regarding the air bases - there’s no specific point other than musing as to whether it might show that there were negotiations about what would be acceptable to the U.K. 

 

The second questions are fairly clear

 

Well, a war with Iran would be EVEN worse than Iraq - WHY?

 

history will judge Starmer right if he stays out. - YOU CAN ONLY KNOW THIS AFTER THE EVENT 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Regarding the air bases - there’s no specific point other than musing as to whether it might show that there were negotiations about what would be acceptable to the U.K. 

 

The second questions are fairly clear

 

Well, a war with Iran would be EVEN worse than Iraq - WHY?

 

history will judge Starmer right if he stays out. - YOU CAN ONLY KNOW THIS AFTER THE EVENT 

There should be no agreement acceptable to the UK on this one and I'm hoping Starmer made that clear. 

 

Can see what you mean about the second questions and I'll let others answer those, with my own viewpoint being that if historical judgment of Starmer for staying out of this one is bad, then it will be part of a timeline no decent human being wants to be part of. 

[StanSP]

Telegraph outdoing themselves this week. 

 

Firstly being found out for making up a story about a banker who couldn't go on five holidays. 

 

Then not knowing which side of the fence they sit on for whether migration is good or bad and how it affects Labour and Reeves. 

 

 

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Unfortunately that will depend on who is recording the history when the time comes to record it. 

 

In addition to this, the front pages of both the Telegraph and Mail today are a disgrace, but I guess that's hardly surprising given how pro-Trump and pro-war against people they don't like they both are. 

Let's not forget that the right wing rags were all behind the Iraq war before changing their minds later

[CornwallFox]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Telegraph outdoing themselves this week. 

 

Firstly being found out for making up a story about a banker who couldn't go on five holidays. 

 

Then not knowing which side of the fence they sit on for whether migration is good or bad and how it affects Labour and Reeves. 

 

 

I find the telegraph bizarre with all its history it's literally a right wing comic these days. Twenty stories a day attacking labour for pretty much anything, no matter what stance the paper had on those issues previously. Partisan to it's core. What most annoys me is how many telegraph writers appear on question time which itself might as well be renamed the reform party political broadcast of the week. 

[CornwallFox]

37 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Heard a former Navy commander on radio 5 this morning, going in 2 footed about how backward and unprepared the Navy is in modern times. Sounded a bit worrying tbh

Austerity has crushed every part of the public sector, including the military. We may have been behind even before that but lack of public spending does equal a country falling apart.

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

why and how do you know ?

Because it isn’t about anything political, it’s ensuring the anything an inch left of the centre right is completely crushed. 

[Stevosevic]

It’s going to be messy to get there but I hope they have this again in Iran. 
 

 

 

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[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

It’s going to be messy to get there but I hope they have this again is Iran. 
 

 

 

Yes, "Messy" for a "hope". 

 

That's certainly one way of describing the current situation. 

[Stevosevic]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Yes, "Messy" for a "hope". 

 

That's certainly one way of describing the current situation. 

Unfortunately I don’t think there’s been many examples in history where change for the better hasn’t inflicted some pain. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Stevosevic said:

Unfortunately I don’t think there’s been many examples in history where change for the better hasn’t inflicted some pain. 

... which we of course have the luxury of discussing from our screens while other people suffer and die.

 

If that change for the better ever even happens, of course. There's not a great many recent examples from which to draw and given the parties involved,  the odds aren't exactly in favour. Which would make all that death and suffering not only tragic but pointless. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

I think barring WW2, military action has never created a better government.

 

At best it's just been same old same old (maybe not immediately, but after a while), which is what I think is going to happen here.