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1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

But it didn’t bother us at all? Coventry are one of the league better sides and they didn’t have our pants down? 
 

I thought the one area of our game today that was strong was the defence (up until Hamza came on). We were playing out from the back with ease, and that’s why Vestergaard, Faes and Winks all need to play together.

 

I don’t understand where this criticism has come from today, yes it was a bit slow from the back, but until those late subs we were comfortable, and Cov didn’t trouble us at all. They didn’t really trouble us after albeit for a couple of half chances. The problem today was the Ayew as a 9, and Marti’s initial subs.   

Firstly ... its not really a criticism... its an opinion... secondly at times the midfield was like a desert with none of our players anywhere to be seen because most of them were just forward of the 18 yard box .. our style is far to deep and invites mistakes ... as you pointed out Hamza is an accident waiting to happen he along with a few others are not good enough to play that way because they need to much time on the ball ... 

Posted
8 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

You are missing my point. If you go back the Florentina i feel that is more like what he wants, but Florentina were earlier in their pre season and played out the back for a lot of the game. Most Championship teams will deep block or go man for man.

 

I think Marti had several issues that meant he needed to be pragmatic. The first was with personel and the transfer window, which is why Faes and Winks have only just started today (both looking good btw).  The second is how poor defensively we were last year, and we are much more solid now although clearly asking Luke Thomas to stay in his lane and take very few risks. The last is our situation up front, which is still not resolved. I think he sees Ayew as no more than a low risk option who is pretty good with the holding the ball. I imagine more mid term he will change that up.

 

You are going to see incremental changes to get where he wants. I think we judge out position then, but i bet you we won't be looking so safe at some point soon. I think when Ramsey and James are bedded in, and Winks is fully up to speed, and we have Caranza up top with Monga starting, we are going to have some fun for sure.

I feel like you've basically made my point but expanded and said it far more eloquently :D

 

We're playing it safe and pragmatic right now. You're just confident we will see the excitement come. I think I need to see shoots of it before I have that hope haha.

 

Like i say, Marti's QPR team i always found to be entertaining despite their obvious lack of talent compared to ourselves 

 

I hope we see the improvement and the handbrake come off sooner rather than later.

 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, sm1 said:

Mowbray makes a great point. You need to score 70+ goals to get promoted, how are we going to do that with Ayew as our striker.

Burnley scored 69 goals last season.

Posted
34 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

When did they actually get caught though? They didn’t, both to me were comfortable today. I just think some people just can’t help but be negative about certain players. I didn’t think they did much wrong, and can only recall a couple of passes each that weren’t great, hut that was it. Both were comfortable today and dealt with everything fine. 
 

And, today was the first time we looked comfortable playing out from the back this season. Faes, Winks and Jannick all have to start. 

They definitely did. There was one bit in the second half where Faes gave the ball away really sloppily which put us under pressure, and then he immediately did it again in his recovery attempt. 

 

JV is certainly more stable but he creates huge problems for us as a team. He can slow the pace massively when we're on the ball but it's more than he forces us to sit much deeper and invite pressure (and issue compounded with Ayew dropping in so much)

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Posted
1 minute ago, dmayne7 said:

They definitely did. There was one bit in the second half where Faes gave the ball away really sloppily which put us under pressure, and then he immediately did it again in his recovery attempt. 

 

JV is certainly more stable but he creates huge problems for us as a team. He can slow the pace massively when we're on the ball but it's more than he forces us to sit much deeper and invite pressure (and issue compounded with Ayew dropping in so much)

Please don't refer to Vestergaard as JV, there's only one JV! 

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Posted
Just now, hejammy said:

Please don't refer to Vestergaard as JV, there's only one JV! 

He doesn't deserve the respect of me typing out his full name!

Posted
Just now, Winstonthedog said:

Firstly ... its not really a criticism... its an opinion... secondly at times the midfield was like a desert with none of our players anywhere to be seen because most of them were just forward of the 18 yard box .. our style is far to deep and invites mistakes ... as you pointed out Hamza is an accident waiting to happen he along with a few others are not good enough to play that way because they need to much time on the ball ... 

We did look a lot more comfortable today playing out from the back. Winks was dropping into that pocket to receive the ball, and it was moving a lot better than we see with Skipp and Soumare. 
 

I think if we play James along side Winks it may be even more fluid, because he has the ability to drive the team upfield. It was kind of right today, but there were still some areas that needed a rethink. Soumare and Ayew being the two for me. It was better today, but we can be even better I think. 
 

We also need to remember Marti has had a tough start, barely a pre season or a transfer window…… I think he’s done well, he’s tried to be pragmatic to ensure we stay solid whilst we’re building. 

Posted
1 hour ago, TheStig said:

 

You're right. 

 

But last week we had 10 men pretty much all game and still scored. Prior to that we've managed to score one or two without really turning up. 

 

I think the full integration of Winks, James, Ramsey, and Pereira will make a huge difference moving forwards.

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Posted (edited)
34 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

He doesn't deserve the respect of me typing out his full name!

Or because you can't spell it? :P

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Posted
1 minute ago, Parafox said:

Or because you can't spell it? :P

Actually one that I don't find too hard. Just bloody long and old man fingers on my phone means it could come out as anything :D

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Actually one that I don't find too hard. Just bloody long and old man fingers on my phone means it could come out as anything :D

Jagged Vaginaguard?

 

Otherwise known as chastity belt.

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Posted
48 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Burnley scored 69 goals last season.

they also only conceded 16. We're at a third of that after 6 games. You don't go up scoring so few unless you have a defence locked up tighter than fort knox.

Posted
2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

It’s not so much Ayew himself, it’s what he is being asked to do. I do disagree with the idea he has been our best player, he fights for the ball and he’s had some successful dribbles, but it’s all in vain as it yields no end product. A lot of Ayew’s good work is battling for the ball 50 yards from goal, or running down blind alleys. 
 

He had a couple of half decent runs towards the end of the game, but rather than get his head down and running for goal, he just slows the play down and then ambles around. 
 

There are good parts to his game, and bad parts, what Marti needs to do is use him where he is effective, because today he wasn’t in my opinion… when Marti made the subs, it was crying out for Daka to come on and occupy those two defenders, get Mongo on too and drop Ayew into the ten and remove Soumare and play James there. Soumare although showed some nice turns again, was completely ineffective and his contributions rarely yield any end product. James was breaking lines with his runs and was pulling Cov players out of position. 
 

If he had made those changes and just kept James on for another ten to fifteen minutes I’m confident we would have won the game. 
 

The subs killed the momentum, they really did, and it just became a stalemate after that. 
 

But, it was largely much better, like I said in my opinion tactical mistakes prevented from winning the game today. 

Did I miss something 🤔 Daka did come on??

Posted (edited)

Surprised at the negativity. I thought we’d lose before kick-off, so was pleasantly surprised to see us edge it (performance wise). 

 

With a bit more time, I think the new signings will improve us massively.

 

Having said that…corners; what the **** are we doing? Ayew and Thomas are like two children who can’t lift the ball off the floor. There’s zero hope when we get a set piece. 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

they also only conceded 16. We're at a third of that after 6 games. You don't go up scoring so few unless you have a defence locked up tighter than fort knox.

There's no single way to go up. You can be a free scoring team or a right defensive one. You've just got to get the results.

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1. Ayew cannot continue playing up top.

 

2. Winks was brilliant and has to start moving forward.

 

3. Stiffy needs benching. 


4. Luke Thomas is a major weak link, VK deserves a shot. 

 

5. Soumare needs dropping, move JJ deeper and put Ayew at 10 until Ramsay is back. 

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Disappointing but in many ways encouraging.

 

Ricardo and Winks are such a huge upgrade on Choudhury and Skipp, and Carranza looks as if he has a nice presence about him as well as a decent touch (we’ll need him to score goals though). Mavididi had a shocker, and that hurried miss betrayed his lack of confidence. Glad that Cifuentes showed some ruthlessness by hooking him soon afterwards.

 

If this team can find a cutting edge - and the points deduction is not too severe - we should be good enough to challenge for promotion.

Posted
1 hour ago, dmayne7 said:

They definitely did. There was one bit in the second half where Faes gave the ball away really sloppily which put us under pressure, and then he immediately did it again in his recovery attempt. 

 

JV is certainly more stable but he creates huge problems for us as a team. He can slow the pace massively when we're on the ball but it's more than he forces us to sit much deeper and invite pressure (and issue compounded with Ayew dropping in so much)

The Enzo ball from JV to Ayew is causing us problems.  JV invites the pressure, blasts it to Ayew who can’t control it or just sends it back and Soumare zonal marks wherever the ball was a week ago. 

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19 minutes ago, Phild said:

Did I miss something 🤔 Daka did come on??

Far too late. He should have come on with Monga, Cov were vulnerable at that moment and that extra pace in that moment would have helped stretch their back line. But he really needed to leave James on for a bit longer to complement that. But he buggared it all up when he took him off and didn’t bring Daka on. Game lost its way after that moment and allowed Cov into the game. 

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Must have watched a different game to most on here. Far from perfect but thought we did ok today, and I’m feeling much better about the rest of the season after today. They will be one of the better sides this season and we really should have won the game

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