Swansea 1-3 LCFC, post match thread

[Bourbon Fox]

7 minutes ago, adam95581 said:

This repeated point doesn’t really work with me. 
 

Feel free to go through my posts and you’ll see I’m not a Faes hater (I don’t rate him but he still adds more to the team at this level than other options). I can call it a stupid challenge without it serving some sort of personal agenda. 
 

Alright mate I will cross you off the list of people who wouldn't be saying it if it was a player we like 🍺

[LCFCJohn]

18 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

Vestergaard has the turning circle of an oil tanker and is slow, sure.  

 

But he's one of the few players we've got and perhaps the only defender in the league (don't watch every team so stand to be corrected) that can ping a pass that instantly breaks the oppostions press. That's a dangerous weapon.  

 

The idea he's only making passes that travel a few yards just isn't reality.  That forms part of what he does, but it's isn't all he does.  

 

He's also been pretty solid defensively and in the air this season.  He will inevitably get caught out for lack of pace at times but his strengths outweigh that.  In this league.  

 

The real issue is that he isn't working for us in the Premier League and we need to find a solution for that if we get promoted.  

I don’t think Vestergaard is as much an issue as Faes but he has still made a number of errors this season and I think he is far from solid. He is ok. 
 

Ultimately if we go up, we need two new centre backs as we don’t have any who will be good enough should we get there.

[Bordersfox]

5 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I don’t think Vestergaard is as much an issue as Faes but he has still made a number of errors this season and I think he is far from solid. He is ok. 
 

Ultimately if we go up, we need two new centre backs as we don’t have any who will be good enough should we get there.

I think it's the biggest argument for starting Nelson or Okoli, even though both have looker poor they are young and may have a higher ceiling.

 

Thankfully I don't think there's a chance Faes is here after next summer.  

[LCFCJohn]

Just now, Bordersfox said:

I think it's the biggest argument for starting Nelson or Okoli, even though both have looker poor they are young and may have a higher ceiling.

 

Thankfully I don't think there's a chance Faes is here after next summer.  

Still no chance either are good enough to start in the PL next season. Maybe Okoli on the bench. 
 

I don’t agree Nelson looked poorer on his one appearance than Faes particularly does repeatedly though.

[Dahnsouff]

Would at least like the opportunity to have a good sample size, at least so we can be as informed and/or critical as we are of our other defenders.

 

Sorry, once more assumed I was in the Nelson thread 

Edited 5 October 2025 by Dahnsouff

[LCFCJohn]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Would at least like the opportunity to have a good sample size, at least so we can be as informed and/or critical as we are of our other defenders.

 

Sorry, once more assumed I was in the Nelson thread 

Wondered what you were on about when I saw that before your edit 

 

My writing off of Nelson is based on the fact that he’d have needed a full season to fly at this level to have any chance of being ready if we make it back up. Given we are already approaching a quarter of the way through, and there’s no sign of him getting a chance, even if we get promoted and he does sign a new contract (which he’d be a silly boy to do), he would need to be loaned to a Championship side to get a full season at this level. 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Wondered what you were on about when I saw that before your edit 

 

My writing off of Nelson is based on the fact that he’d have needed a full season to fly at this level to have any chance of being ready if we make it back up. Given we are already approaching a quarter of the way through, and there’s no sign of him getting a chance, even if we get promoted and he does sign a new contract (which he’d be a silly boy to do), he would need to be loaned to a Championship side to get a full season at this level. 

Tbh, I barely want to comment as to his suitability as I personally don’t feel we have enough contemporary evidence either way, but I would certainly like to have that evidence!

[Beachyboy]

2 hours ago, JonnyZeroFox said:

It wasn’t near the corner flag… it was in the box 

My mistake sure that's why it's a penalty, but there are two options run to the ball or cover the crossing angle and block it. If we were talking 20 years ago it's a great decision by Faes, the game is soft and changed so I don't want to see any players making that sort of tackle when we have 2v1 numbers in the central area of the box as well as the GK making 3v1

[Claridge]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I don’t think Vestergaard is as much an issue as Faes but he has still made a number of errors this season and I think he is far from solid. He is ok. 
 

Ultimately if we go up, we need two new centre backs as we don’t have any who will be good enough should we get there.

Vesty is one of the best ball playing centre half’s in the game.Also the slowest unfortunately 

[ClaphamFox]

2 hours ago, adam95581 said:

This repeated point doesn’t really work with me. 
 

Feel free to go through my posts and you’ll see I’m not a Faes hater (I don’t rate him but he still adds more to the team at this level than other options). I can call it a stupid challenge without it serving some sort of personal agenda. 
 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Only just seen there was only 16,600 there for this. Seems as though the general uptick in attendances hasn't hit South Wales yet.

[Fox92]

21 hours ago, Bordersfox said:

Vestergaard has the turning circle of an oil tanker and is slow, sure.  

 

But he's one of the few players we've got and perhaps the only defender in the league (don't watch every team so stand to be corrected) that can ping a pass that instantly breaks the oppostions press. That's a dangerous weapon.  

 

The idea he's only making passes that travel a few yards just isn't reality.  That forms part of what he does, but it's isn't all he does.  

 

He's also been pretty solid defensively and in the air this season.  He will inevitably get caught out for lack of pace at times but his strengths outweigh that.  In this league.  

 

The real issue is that he isn't working for us in the Premier League and we need to find a solution for that if we get promoted.  

He also gives it away a lot playing those passes. He makes mistakes all the time yet has one game where he scores and people want to forget. He was muscled off the ball for Wrexham's equaliser only last week. He hasn't been solid defensively at all.

 

His strength (the ability to pass a ball) does not outweigh his lack of pace or lack of strength. 

[Bordersfox]

5 hours ago, Fox92 said:

He also gives it away a lot playing those passes. He makes mistakes all the time yet has one game where he scores and people want to forget. He was muscled off the ball for Wrexham's equaliser only last week. He hasn't been solid defensively at all.

 

His strength (the ability to pass a ball) does not outweigh his lack of pace or lack of strength. 

I don't have access to stats but I imagine his pass completion rate is excellent.  Whatever his faults he is extremely comfortable on the ball and passing the ball.  

 

I couldn't give a toss whether he scored or not particularly.  Both Enzo and Marti clearly value his ability with the ball and see it as important enough to overlook his obvious lack of pace.   

[TheGoldenGod]

Just been listening to the Not The Top 20 pod and they've highlighted we have the 5th worst xGa suggesting our defence really isn't that strong this year compared to two years ago!

 

Time to bring Big Ben back into the fold! Jakub been busier than I'd like too!

[st albans fox]

22 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Just been listening to the Not The Top 20 pod and they've highlighted we have the 5th worst xGa suggesting our defence really isn't that strong this year compared to two years ago!

 

Time to bring Big Ben back into the fold! Jakub been busier than I'd like too!

Wonder how our average possession compares to 2023

[pmcla26]

1 hour ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Just been listening to the Not The Top 20 pod and they've highlighted we have the 5th worst xGa suggesting our defence really isn't that strong this year compared to two years ago!

 

Time to bring Big Ben back into the fold! Jakub been busier than I'd like too!

I would say it correlates more to our poorer pressing, compared to 23/24, rather than the quality of players at the back. 

[LCFCJohn]

9 hours ago, Bordersfox said:

I don't have access to stats but I imagine his pass completion rate is excellent.  Whatever his faults he is extremely comfortable on the ball and passing the ball.  

 

I couldn't give a toss whether he scored or not particularly.  Both Enzo and Marti clearly value his ability with the ball and see it as important enough to overlook his obvious lack of pace.   

It’s not just lack of pace. The goal he gave away against Wrexham wasn’t lack of pace. He is weak, he gets outmuscled by kids half his size. 
 

Also an intelligent defender compensates for lack of pace with awareness and strong positioning but he isn’t good in these area either. 

[CornwallFox]

On 05/10/2025 at 08:22, grobyfox1990 said:

 

I like many others saw him flying in and thought ‘penalty’. Fair decision to make. The happy clappers have stated that ‘var is a shambles mates it’s killing modern football mate’ - well stfu and deal with it then. Mistakes happen when you hate tech and want to live in the stone ages. 

Happy to accept the error. 

VAR is wrecking football. It's not stone age to want the greatest game ever created to continue being played without five minute breaks for refs to still make mistakes. 

[TheGoldenGod]

11 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Wonder how our average possession compares to 2023

Yeah it'll be considerably less this time around. Limited the opposition to fewer chances in 2023 due to our style!

[grobyfox1990]

8 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

Happy to accept the error. 

VAR is wrecking football. It's not stone age to want the greatest game ever created to continue being played without five minute breaks for refs to still make mistakes. 

Ok so we’re in agreement. If you don’t want tech and want the greatest game ever you have no right to complain about human error decisions like the ref made on Saturday. 
It was never a pen on Saturday, and for the right decision to occur would’ve needed a 5 min break to get there. I wonder if you’ll be saying the same thing if an entirely justifiable, but incorrect, decision from the ref stops us winning the playoff final…

[Chelmofox]

10 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

Happy to accept the error. 

VAR is wrecking football. It's not stone age to want the greatest game ever created to continue being played without five minute breaks for refs to still make mistakes. 

I accept the error and happy to take these on the chin if it means no VAR. However, i still expect better from the Ref and i think any blame of Faes is wrong. I hate the bloke - but in this instance he did nothing wrong. I don't buy into any 'he gave the ref something to think about'. It was a good solid tackle and he was giving the attacking player no option to play the ball. We have every right to moan about the decision and move on.

[Noahfence]

21 hours ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Just been listening to the Not The Top 20 pod and they've highlighted we have the 5th worst xGa suggesting our defence really isn't that strong this year compared to two years ago!

 

Time to bring Big Ben back into the fold! Jakub been busier than I'd like too!

Off topic but George Elek said in their season predictions that Soumare is “elite” at this level. Made me chuckle 

[Dan]

5 hours ago, Noahfence said:

Off topic but George Elek said in their season predictions that Soumare is “elite” at this level. Made me chuckle 

He should be but this is the thing with Soumare - the idea of him is so far detached from the reality.

[Aus Fox]

10 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Ok so we’re in agreement. If you don’t want tech and want the greatest game ever you have no right to complain about human error decisions like the ref made on Saturday. 
It was never a pen on Saturday, and for the right decision to occur would’ve needed a 5 min break to get there. I wonder if you’ll be saying the same thing if an entirely justifiable, but incorrect, decision from the ref stops us winning the playoff final…

I think this would be a great argument if VAR was 100% error free.

VAR has ruined football for me at the top level, mistakes happen and discussing those mistakes is part of the game. But ultimately, human error in the spare of the moment looking through bodies is completely justifiable. 
 

[PhillippaT]

3 hours ago, Dan said:

He should be but this is the thing with Soumare - the idea of him is so far detached from the reality.

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