Cifuentes OUT

[Chelmofox]

My unpopular opinion on things.

 

The first 1/2 of the Enzo season massively flattered us. I actually thought we would struggle that season. I remember us being dross a lot of the time but a possessed KDH getting us over the line several times, and Mavi had form and Fatawu was mostly unplayable (yet reckless and raw), and a reborn version of Ndidi.  I imagine that season would have panned out very differently if KDH didn't rescue us in the first game vs Cov. 

 

We've been dross since we started to struggle in that Enzo season. The teams that did a number on us were the types doing us over now (Hull, Millwall etc).  Teams had worked us out. We got through by the skin of our teeth and because we had a much, much better team that we do now. The recruitment since Enzo's summer window (which itself had a few questionable choice) has been appalling. Enzo got nothing in that winter window, which i am sure played on his mind for the rest of that season. Then of course Cooper with his hideous recruitment, and RVN who needs no additional comment.

 

Cifuentes had his squad gutted and i presume has been tasked with getting the experienced squad firing again. I think he is the wrong person to be targeting right now. The board have to take responsibility and he will need to be given time and a window of non journeymen players. 

Edited 25 October 2025 by Chelmofox

[Guppys Love Child]

4 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

Ange wouldn’t touch us with a barge pole so I don’t think we will have that worry 

 

**** me there are some proper tinted specs on this forum 

Hence I said I liked him, but that  he wasn't right for us at present.  

[Kitchandro]

11 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

I just don’t know what the alternative is?

 

 

as a fanbase, we seem to want this dynamic manager who’s full of ideas and intuition…. But why would a manager like that want to come to us?

 

we are a very average team sitting in mid table and a points deduction hanging over us.

 

besides, we’ve got crap players  who are full of mistakes and egos  and why would any manager with a bit of ability want to walk into this mess?

 

 

unless we promise a manager 50m to spend in January, no one decent will touch us with a barge pole…

Because he’s pulling up trees in Sweden or Poland or something and wants to prove himself in England? Because he’s managing at a lower level? Because he’s managing the youth team or is an assistant like Maresca was?

 

We know there are confident, exciting managers with great ideas employed in these capacities because other clubs take a chance on them and reap the rewards. Good managers start somewhere obscure all the time.
 

We don’t dig deep enough, it’s as if we think a manager has to have managed / played in England or worked with a big shot like Pep.

Edited 25 October 2025 by Kitchandro

[Fear Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, Nods said:

Do agree with the sentiment of this, though. It feels like a lot of fans are only now cottoning on to the damage that has been done. Those watching closely saw the makings of today's reality years ago. 

 

Even so, play 3 at the back please, Marti!!

It doesn't matter if he plays 3, 4 or 5 at the back. This team is the only one in the whole universe without a natural striker. I watched Andromeda Bignoses vs Mars Eatheads the other day and they both had strikers on the pitch. 

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

We have undoubtedly got huge issues, but he's paid to find solutions to problems and he isn't finding any. That's the brutal reality of it imho

 

What about if there aren’t any solutions? If we are that rotten that only time and accepting of a new reality is the only way through this?

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, Kitchandro said:

Because he’s pulling up trees in Sweden or Poland or something and wants to prove himself in England? Because he’s managing at a lower level? Because he’s managing the youth team or is an assistant like Maresca was?

 

We know are confident, exciting managers with great ideas employed in these capacities because other clubs take a chance on them and reap the rewards. Good managers start somewhere obscure all the time. We don’t dig deep enough.

We need two windows before we start looking at a new manager

[murphy]

7 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

In all seriousness, because unfortunately the board will not offer me the job, we need a feisty manager, someone who won't hesitate to show the exit door to a dozen of these footballers and start rebuilding by playing youngsters. We have nothing to lose as it stands. At least the young ones will show more passion than these sad failures we have now. 

It's not as simple as showing them the exit door.  They're on Rudkin contracts and they're going to wring every last unearned drop out of them. 

[The whole world smiles]

Give him time, if the club was as trigger happy as foxestalk wanted them to be the Pearson would have been sacked on about 9 different occasions across his 2 stays and MON would have been sacked after Sheffield United away.

 

Plenty of time and points available for him to get it right.

[Nods]

Just now, Fear Of The Fox said:

It doesn't matter if he plays 3, 4 or 5 at the back. This team is the only one in the whole universe without a natural striker. I watched Andromeda Bignoses vs Mars Eatheads the other day and they both had strikers on the pitch. 

Doesn't help. All the more reason to get more bodies up the pitch in support, though. We'd be sacrificing the defensive services of Luke Thomas to enable it, but I think that's a risk I'm happy for us to take.

[when_you're_smiling]

15 minutes ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

Objectively we set a new premier league record for successive losses last season. Plus not scoring at home. 

We then lost our talisman Vardy alongside Ndidi, Mavs plus Justin who honestly wasn't much worse than Thomas. 

A number of players not wanting to stay but did. Financial trouble with the league.

Only managed a couple of loans in the window. 

 

Absolutely nothing at all there to suggest we should be top of the championship. 

 

Our squad isn't good enough. We can't control games like we could last time. 

 

We also haven't got a striker. 1goal in 14 games from our striker options.  We have played really well for spells and today we didn't play terribly. Both this week and last week were pushing for a goal at the end and had some (not enough but some) genuine chances. 

 

Thomas just isn't good enough but neither is VK so what do you do?

Monga is starting he's 16. Silko came on but people still scream for the acedemy. 

 

Ramsey has been our best player last 2 games he's started and scored in both until the injury today. 

JJ has also been fairly decent so Marti can pick a player on a budget.

 

I agree we should have turned some of those draws into victories but we can't have an overall poor squad with a handful of good players and then berate Marti when we don't win away from home at the Den. When exactly have we done well there before. 

 

The issues leading up to now lie squarely with Top, Rudkin and the board. 

 

Thinking the manager is the issue here and it will be a different outcome if only it was Dyche (Dyche honestly) etc is wishful thinking.

 

Leicester - the established premier league, european playing team is dead.

 

The odd player we have left from that era were bench fodder at best. Hamza, Thomas. Ricardo (last one left but over the hill and wounded) 

The revival is going to take time and patience and saying marti out after 12 or whatever games isn't helpful at all. 

 

We have to accept the new reality. Our squad sits somewhere between mid table and the play off's of the championship. 

 

Great post. Absolutely baffled how people reckon we should just be strolling this division.

 

On top of the striker issue we’ve no full backs you can trust either bar a past his best Ricardo. Of the players I really rate James and Fats, but otherwise struggle to see a Prem level player in the team.

 

Changing the manager every time you go on a bad run doesn’t get you anywhere.

[MPH]

7 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Because he’s pulling up trees in Sweden or Poland or something and wants to prove himself in England? Because he’s managing at a lower level? Because he’s managing the youth team or is an assistant like Maresca was?

 

We know are confident, exciting managers with great ideas employed in these capacities because other clubs take a chance on them and reap the rewards. Good managers start somewhere obscure all the time. We don’t dig deep enough.

 

so it brings you back to the absolute mess we are now is as a club. Anyone with half a clue will steer well clear of us. We are not in the same position as we were when Maresca joined us. Worse squad, worse morale and less financial backing.

 

sacking Marti now is likely to just mean we will repeat the cycle  and be sacking someone else at the end of the season after failing to back them and  then  costing us more money each time that frankly would be better off being given to a manager to strengthen a piss poor squad.

Edited 25 October 2025 by MPH

[FrankieADZ]

ive tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but im getting to about 60/40 MC in atm

but if he picks luke thomas next week it will be 60/40 out

 

because if he cant see the massive issue there then there is no hope

 

 

 

[Kitchandro]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

We need two windows before we start looking at a new manager

Then let’s sack this one so we don’t have to pay him and have a youth coach take over, or let the team vote on the line up democratically.

 

If you can argue Cifuentes is doing something useful, fine. If you can’t, and your only defence of him is that we have a rubbish squad, then he still shouldn’t be here.

 

He has excuses, of course he does, but so did RVN and he’s not still here so why shouldn’t the same logic apply to this guy?

[lfu]

I'll give him another chance if he plays Nelson, Aluko and Evans with Page on the bench against Blackburn

But I'm not holding out hope

[Muzzy_no7]

8 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

We need two windows before we start looking at a new manager

I’m sorry but I just don’t agree or understand this take 

[Donwebbio]

Let's say for arguments sake that MC is not upto the job and needs to be replaced. The person in charge of scouting, identifying, and trying to convince the selected candidate is...Jon Rudkin with sign off by the little fella. The same crack management team that have appointed Cooper, RvN & Cifuentes in the past 18 months. What's the point? It's the same comedy/drama with the same script and the same awful cast. All efforts need to be devoted to getting rid of the current ownership.

 

 

 

 

[Chelmofox]

14 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

What about if there aren’t any solutions? If we are that rotten that only time and accepting of a new reality is the only way through this?

IMHO the solutions are now to stop looking at the results and to rebuild for the future.  There are no solutions available with most of our first team at this time. Even if we run into a bit of form (which will probably happen), the same issues will be there. Teams with a bit of grit and confidence have us worked out and if they can contain the wingers we have little hope. This even happened in the Enzo era.

 

However, no clubs like to toss away investments and i am sure there will be pressure on Marti to get a tune out of the experienced players. I can't see wholesale movement to the academy until all hope of promotion is lost.

Edited 25 October 2025 by Chelmofox

[Blue.Fox84]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

What about if there aren’t any solutions? If we are that rotten that only time and accepting of a new reality is the only way through this?

Tbh for any sort of progress players need to be moved on with new blood coming through 

 

The academy lads that get mentioned are all 15, 16, 17 year olds with no senior football experience and we have a group of over-payed players that seems like we either can’t move on for whatever reasons or get anything out of them to play for the badge. 
 

It seems like we need to wait for players contracts to expire before they go - we seem to reward long contracts at inflated wages so will take years to get rid of most of these and also means we generate no money into the club for transfers which is already a huge issue with all our financial mismanagements. 
 

We are in a huge mess and unless there is a change at the very top who is willing to bite the bullet and get their hands dirty, this is our new reality for atleast the next few years

[Chelmofox]

6 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

ive tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but im getting to about 60/40 MC in atm

but if he picks luke thomas next week it will be 60/40 out

 

because if he cant see the massive issue there then there is no hope

 

 

 

The alternatives are Vic, Faes on the left or Aluko. Aluko comes with massive pressure. The rest are dross.

[Cincinnati Fox]

any manager would struggle given the state of the club and the lack of accountability at all levels, but consistently picking Luke Thomas means I think he needs to go.

[whoareyaaa]

7 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Then let’s sack this one so we don’t have to pay him and have a youth coach take over, or let the team vote on the line up democratically.

 

If you can argue Cifuentes is doing something useful, fine. If you can’t, and your only defence of him is that we have a rubbish squad, then he still shouldn’t be here.

 

He has excuses, of course he does, but so did RVN and he’s not still here so why shouldn’t the same logic apply to this guy?

We don't have enough youth players to turn the tide unfortunately so it won't make a difference and Marti can do that with with the help of King (that's his role right)

 

How can you build a team if you keep sacking the manager every six months

Edited 25 October 2025 by whoareyaaa

[Chelmofox]

2 minutes ago, Cincinnati Fox said:

any manager would struggle given the state of the club and the lack of accountability at all levels, but consistently picking Luke Thomas means I think he needs to go.

I ask this countless times but noone ever answers. What else should he do?

[Slab Edd]

Yes the squad is not going to break the points record but ,and that's absolutely on the board,but the we play is so so bad,its so predictable,pass to winks,winks to Issahaku and pray he can become arjen robben. Its so predictable,we say we don't have a good striker but we're not even creating for the ones we're playing  right now,its so turgid and slow and THAT is on cifuentes 

[MattFox]

19 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

My unpopular opinion on things.

 

The first 1/2 of the Enzo season massively flattered us. I actually thought we would struggle that season. I remember us being dross a lot of the time but a possessed KDH getting us over the line several times, and Mavi had form and Fatawu was mostly unplayable (yet reckless and raw), and a reborn version of Ndidi.  I imagine that season would have panned out very differently if KDH didn't rescue us in the first game vs Cov. 

 

We've been dross since we started to struggle in that Enzo season. The teams that did a number on us were the types doing us over now (Hull, Millwall etc).  Teams had worked us out. We got through by the skin of our teeth and because we had a much, much better team that we do now. The recruitment since Enzo's summer window (which itself had a few questionable choice) has been appalling. Enzo got nothing in that winter window, which i am sure played on his mind for the rest of that season. Then of course Cooper with his hideous recruitment, and RVN who needs no additional comment.

 

Cifuentes had his squad gutted and i presume has been tasked with getting the experienced squad firing again. I think he is the wrong person to be targeting right now. The board have to take responsibility and he will need to be given time and a window of non journeymen players. 

We’ve been complete dross since May 2021 if you want to go back further

 

Aug 2023 to Feb 2024 was a purple patch 

Edited 25 October 2025 by MattFox

[TWUKO]

I feel for marti, seems like such a nice guy and wants to make a real connection with the fans, seems like a very intelligent guy who knows his stuff. But unfortunately he's another manager that's been put in the firing line by the board. Don't want to see him sacked yet as he is trying and making changes between games and in games, yes it isn't always the right decision but its way too early.

 

He's not really been able to sign anyone other than loans at the end of the window, he's having to rely on the more experienced players that don't want to be here and don't want to work hard, he can't go with all the younger players as they've not set the world alight when they have played, except monga. Its a difficult task when you have a board that quite clearly wants to play tippy tappy football, like we're a prime Barcelona back in the day, with players who possess some of those attributes but clearly not capable for 90 mins or not at all sometimes.

 

I do feel that I can't wait for the day when all these players that were singed by or played under Rodgers clear off, as there's clearly an arrogance and delusions of grandeur that these players have, there's no determination or care at all from those in particular who have been around since those days, except maybe ricky p.

 

Lets get these high earning pampered jokers off the wage bill (some out of contract anyway) and perhaps make James and Ramsey permanent in the summer, let him bring in some hungry players that feel playing for Leicester is a dream move, and get us moving with at least the right mentality again!