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Realistic Managerial Replacements

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dmayne7

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15 minutes ago, Saxondale said:

Or, maybe, just maybe, the decision making by the club management is nowhere near as bad as people make out.
 

We’re in the position we are because of a series of managerial appointments that haven’t really worked. But the market for top managers is extremely difficult. Fans like to whinge at what the club does but usually cant offer any realistic alternative options.

 

Honestly, which managers would fans actually want? The football world has become so brutal that managers lose their reputations incredibly quickly. Consequently, I bet most people couldn’t even pick more than about three managers they’d really want even out of those currently in the PL.

 

And as for those who spout names of random foreigners:

 

1) We don’t know that the club doesn’t approach any of these people

2) Very often, of our rival teams will employ a random foreigner, and it’s relatively rare that they actually become successful.

3) I suspect in most cases people are being unrealistic about who would actually come. I seem to remember people in the past calling for Jurgen Klopp and Tommy Tuchel! 
 

Whilst our past three managerial appointments haven’t worked out, you can’t really fault the logic behind them.

 

* The Forest bloke was seen as a sensible choice at a time when it’s clear our first choice didn’t want to come. He had a demonstrable recent record of turning Forest from utterly woeful to a PL side. Most people thought he was a reasonable appointment, if not particularly appealing.

 

* RvN was seen as a bold, ambitious choice and a long term investment in a young, hungry manager. It didn’t work out, but this is exactly the sort of appointment that many fans call for. The gamble didn’t pay off, but you can’t know until you try.

 

* Cifuentes may be a less logical choice, but at the time there were so few options available, and that’s still the case.

 

Futhermore, several of the managers who fans have been calling for in the past have gone elsewhere and been awful. I really wanted Potter, and he was abysmal at West Ham. Lots of fans wanted Will Still and he was a complete disaster at Southampton.

 

But LCFC fans these days will whinge at anything and everything. I seem to remember that Maresca was only about 50% popular and was disliked by the “FORWARDS, QUICKER” imbeciles. He is probably one of the best managers in the English game today.

Bookended by a couple of classics. The decision making at this club is worse than a large chunk of the fanbase make out (this forum excluded).

 

Maresca has won a couple of tinpot tournament that very few care about but what else has he done? His team has spent crazy amounts of money, working with an already massively expensive squad yet his team are 10 points off the pace and it's not even the halfway stage. He's yet again throwing his toys out of the pram about his squad/backing from the owners too. Obviously he's a better manager than what we've had since and did what he needed to do here but he's had 2 incredibly easy jobs in his English career and had hardly smashed it.

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Claudio Fannieri

Claudio Fannieri

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12 minutes ago, Saxondale said:

Or, maybe, just maybe, the decision making by the club management is nowhere near as bad as people make out.
 

We’re in the position we are because of a series of managerial appointments that haven’t really worked. But the market for top managers is extremely difficult. Fans like to whinge at what the club does but usually cant offer any realistic alternative options.

 

Honestly, which managers would fans actually want? The football world has become so brutal that managers lose their reputations incredibly quickly. Consequently, I bet most people couldn’t even pick more than about three managers they’d really want even out of those currently in the PL.

 

And as for those who spout names of random foreigners:

 

1) We don’t know that the club doesn’t approach any of these people

2) Very often, of our rival teams will employ a random foreigner, and it’s relatively rare that they actually become successful.

3) I suspect in most cases people are being unrealistic about who would actually come. I seem to remember people in the past calling for Jurgen Klopp and Tommy Tuchel! 
 

Whilst our past three managerial appointments haven’t worked out, you can’t really fault the logic behind them.

 

* The Forest bloke was seen as a sensible choice at a time when it’s clear our first choice didn’t want to come. He had a demonstrable recent record of turning Forest from utterly woeful to a PL side. Most people thought he was a reasonable appointment, if not particularly appealing.

 

* RvN was seen as a bold, ambitious choice and a long term investment in a young, hungry manager. It didn’t work out, but this is exactly the sort of appointment that many fans call for. The gamble didn’t pay off, but you can’t know until you try.

 

* Cifuentes may be a less logical choice, but at the time there were so few options available, and that’s still the case.

 

Futhermore, several of the managers who fans have been calling for in the past have gone elsewhere and been awful. I really wanted Potter, and he was abysmal at West Ham. Lots of fans wanted Will Still and he was a complete disaster at Southampton.

 

But LCFC fans these days will whinge at anything and everything. I seem to remember that Maresca was only about 50% popular and was disliked by the “FORWARDS, QUICKER” imbeciles. He is probably one of the best managers in the English game today.

I understand what you are saying to a degree but we don’t help ourselves when we have this bizarre obsession with replicating the Man City way…. All well and good when you have a squad of talented players and top coaches like when Rodgers was fully engaged or Maresca then it can work well. 
 

However at what point do you recognise the squad has vastly changed and so has the dynamics and now is a time to go in a different direction rather than follow the same path with lesser level players and coaches. 
 

If we were more flexible in our approach it would open up new opportunities, different coaches with fresh ideas and tactics instead we just keep rinsing and repeating with dog shit coaches who nod and agree to play the Pep way. 

Saxondale

Saxondale

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7 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Bookended by a couple of classics. The decision making at this club is worse than a large chunk of the fanbase make out (this forum excluded).

 

Maresca has won a couple of tinpot tournament that very few care about but what else has he done? His team has spent crazy amounts of money, working with an already massively expensive squad yet his team are 10 points off the pace and it's not even the halfway stage. He's yet again throwing his toys out of the pram about his squad/backing from the owners too. Obviously he's a better manager than what we've had since and did what he needed to do here but he's had 2 incredibly easy jobs in his English career and had hardly smashed it.

So what's your point?

Saxondale

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6 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I understand what you are saying to a degree but we don’t help ourselves when we have this bizarre obsession with replicating the Man City way…. All well and good when you have a squad of talented players and top coaches like when Rodgers was fully engaged or Maresca then it can work well. 
 

However at what point do you recognise the squad has vastly changed and so has the dynamics and now is a time to go in a different direction rather than follow the same path with lesser level players and coaches. 
 

If we were more flexible in our approach it would open up new opportunities, different coaches with fresh ideas and tactics instead we just keep rinsing and repeating with dog shit coaches who nod and agree to play the Pep way. 

Let's assume that is true, that our ownership wants us to operate and play like Man City. Is that not a case of our owners 'having a vision', and would fans not lambast the ownership if this was not the case? I simply don't see what's wrong with that.

 

Furthermore, I don't actually agree that our recent managers have tried to play that way.

Claudio Fannieri

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2 minutes ago, Saxondale said:

Let's assume that is true, that our ownership wants us to operate and play like Man City. Is that not a case of our owners 'having a vision', and would fans not lambast the ownership if this was not the case? I simply don't see what's wrong with that.

 

Furthermore, I don't actually agree that our recent managers have tried to play that way.

It may be a vision but it shows a lack of understanding, appreciation and is downright stupid and naive. It is a complicated system and style, we have a fixation with slow, tippy tappy, control based  systems whilst at the same time our squad quality has been diminishing season on season. 
 

It’s a mess, surely after 2 relegations you recognise it’s time to progress and play a different style and look to be more aggressive and higher intensity rather than this passive crap. We have been turned over by some right old muck this season, because we are so passive and easy to play against. 
 

We are in desperate need of a Brian Little / Nigel Pearson type to come in rip it up and instill a professional culture and winning mentality, but the problem is for that to happen certain individuals would have to accept their ‘vision’ is a crock of shit and fall on their sword, which is very unlikely to happen. 

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dmayne7

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20 minutes ago, Saxondale said:

So what's your point?

lol What an odd reply. I've given you my view on view you said, that's my point? You were allowed to ignore it you know.

cityfanlee23

cityfanlee23

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11 minutes ago, TheFiveTime said:

Bring back Ruud. He was right about everything

He genuinely was right about everything, the problem is he wasn't showing the capacity to deliver the solutions, however I'd much prefer him over what we have now, at the very least Winks/Faes would have been long gone and he would be going to war with the players over their attitude. 

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Gravel

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58 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Tony Mowbray and O’Neil are options till end of season.

 

Bo Svensson. 
Bo Henriksen.

Carrick and Woodgate.

Bo Derek

Bo Duke

Bo Bridges

Bo Selecta

 

Anyone called Bo really 

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Leicester_Loyal

Leicester_Loyal

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19 hours ago, Saxondale said:

There aren't any you daft sods. Honestly, seriously, who is going to come here? And who would you want to come here out of the managers who are realistically available? This is why we've ended up with less favourable appointments the past three times. 

This is crap, much better managers would be willing to come here. 
 

Would they be willing come here and work under these clowns is another question though, and I suspect where you’re coming from, so yeah, agreed lol

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Finnegan

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5 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Bookended by a couple of classics. The decision making at this club is worse than a large chunk of the fanbase make out (this forum excluded).

 

Maresca has won a couple of tinpot tournament that very few care about but what else has he done? His team has spent crazy amounts of money, working with an already massively expensive squad yet his team are 10 points off the pace and it's not even the halfway stage. He's yet again throwing his toys out of the pram about his squad/backing from the owners too. Obviously he's a better manager than what we've had since and did what he needed to do here but he's had 2 incredibly easy jobs in his English career and had hardly smashed it.

 

Maresca isn't spending that money, in fact he's actively told them multiple times he wants a smaller squad. He obviously isn't particularly getting what he requests there because Boehly is an insane bastard just hoarding attacking midfielders. 

 

For the money spent, their collective squad isn't brilliant, it's got some glaring holes. He's an excellent coach and is doing pretty well given the circumstances, people just want to be salty about him because he left and because they couldn't understand every team in the league parking the bus against us wasn't his fault. 

 

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dmayne7

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19 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Maresca isn't spending that money, in fact he's actively told them multiple times he wants a smaller squad. He obviously isn't particularly getting what he requests there because Boehly is an insane bastard just hoarding attacking midfielders. 

 

For the money spent, their collective squad isn't brilliant, it's got some glaring holes. He's an excellent coach and is doing pretty well given the circumstances, people just want to be salty about him because he left and because they couldn't understand every team in the league parking the bus against us wasn't his fault. 

 

There's obviously some signings that aren't his but clearly plenty that are, or at least approved by him. So because they have recruited poorly under his watch, he should be exempt from criticism? Reality is that with the amount of money spent on that squad before and during his time, sitting in 4th is the absolute bare minimum that they should be doing. Crazy to suggest otherwise.

 

I forgot that we're not allowed any nuance, my bad. I should have realised that by saying he's better than any manager we've had since is tantamount to me being 'salty'. Complete supposition on your part and not sure how you came to that conclusion based on what I said. If he was such an 'excellent' coach how is it that his Leicester team got worse with time, and arguably the same is happening at Chelsea, or at least they're certainly not any better than they were? Yes, he's a good manager but how anyone can say he's one of the best in English football is silly. He's had 2 jobs where his resources have dwarfed other teams so hardly a great metric to be measuring him against other managers. If he is willing to learn from his mistakes, then I've got no doubt he's got the potential to more than earn that title, but until then, he hasn't.

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Finnegan

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10 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

forgot that we're not allowed any nuance, my bad

 

I find this pretty funny given you're happy to put the boot in on the guy with practically no recognition (until prompted) for that he's a head coach, not a manager, and isn't conducting their transfer business. 

 

Also, that you're following up by falling in to the obvious trap of holding him accountable for their league position vs. their financial outlay is is funny for the same reasons. 

 

Look, I don't love him, he's not some favourite of mine I'm being touchy or defensive about. But clearly calling him "one of the best coaches in English football" is pretty accurate. He's one of the best coaches in the top tier of the English game and, given his lack of experience, is the one with some of the most upwards mobility to boot. There's a reason Man City are closely monitoring his progress and have been for for pretty much his whole short career to date. 

 

dmayne7

dmayne7

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40 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I find this pretty funny given you're happy to put the boot in on the guy with practically no recognition (until prompted) for that he's a head coach, not a manager, and isn't conducting their transfer business. 

 

Also, that you're following up by falling in to the obvious trap of holding him accountable for their league position vs. their financial outlay is is funny for the same reasons. 

 

Look, I don't love him, he's not some favourite of mine I'm being touchy or defensive about. But clearly calling him "one of the best coaches in English football" is pretty accurate. He's one of the best coaches in the top tier of the English game and, given his lack of experience, is the one with some of the most upwards mobility to boot. There's a reason Man City are closely monitoring his progress and have been for for pretty much his whole short career to date. 

 

Somebody else claimed he was one of the best manager's in England, so why I should I then be responsible for changing the criteria of that claim to 'head coach'? You did that, not me.

 

Since you want to use the 'head coach' angle, the tools available to a 'head coach' are irrelevant when assessing their performance? Maybe they don't have the best balance but in his time there, he's had access to so many good players in every position (centre forward maybe not up to the level they need but still good enough) it doesn't really wash as an excuse. In laws are all Chelsea fans and they are not thrilled with him.

 

You implied that I was salty because I didn't agree with the original statement, even though I also claimed he was better than what we had since. You also inferred that I didn't understand teams parked the bus against us, when there's nothing to suggest that I had that opinion? Irrelevant anyway, as his job is to win football matches which he did pretty well for us, but also had a long run of relegation form. Overall he was a success here and no doubt we'd have had a better chance of staying up if he stayed but there has been little evidence to suggest he's one of the very best. I just don't rate him as highly as you and some others clearly do. Just because you don't agree with my opinion, it doesn't mean I'm bitter, allowing my emotions to get in the way or I can't grasp basic concepts in football.

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18 hours ago, Gravel said:

Bo Derek

Bo Duke

Bo Bridges

Bo Selecta

 

Anyone called Bo really 

Bo peep would keep them more together.

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