6 point deduction - confirmed

[kenny]

33 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Feel like if an appeal was ‘always’ going to happen, they’d have hit the appeal button before even leaving the tribunal 

 

Unless of course we’re just slow to act (again)

There will be some merit according to de Marco in appealing as late as possible would be my guess 

[Terraloon]

41 minutes ago, Craig said:

My understanding is that they are not appealing against the six points that were deducted, but that there was no sanction for us submitting accounts late. I've seen some journalists saying that they are hoping for one extra point for this. 

By appealing against the points deduction LC have re opened up scrutiny of  not only how the case was concluded but  above all how IC arrived at the points deduction.The PL didn’t need to lodge an appeal against the points deduction because it was pretty much assured that LC would

 

The PL will repeat their arguments re points deductions and as I said whilst to date an IC hasn’t increased a points deduction it’s not forbidden. In effect the appeal IC like many ICs before can and possibly will amend the initial award. The appeal panel has the power to do so.
 

Most journalists are only looking at the PLs  appeal which is not suggesting any further points deduction but my guess would be that they believe it should have been assessed as an aggravating factor as a minimum

 

The  appeal panel can amend the ICs award as it thinks fit and that could mean a complete rewrite  of their findings bear in mind the PL could easily argue about the process being independent and any points increase came about because of LC appeal they, the PL, were only appealing against the non award of a sanction re the non submission of the accounts.
 

Edited 19 February by Terraloon

[oxtonfox]

18 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Maybe the panic has set in since we dropped into the relegation zone?

I think it's the only way we will get points at this rate, to appeal the six point deduction and get some back. 

[Wymsey]

Innocent until proven guilty, etc.

[Sky Blues]

I would put it more simply than most. 

 

When the 6 points deduction was given you looked quite safe because of the poor teams near the bottom and you looked like picking up points. But the other clubs have been picking up points and you haven't.

 

You're now 2 points from safety and don't know where your next points are going to come from. Relegation from the Championship with the expenses accrued constantly could easily lead to your club being liquidated. Top hasn't got the cash to save your club if it happens, so this appeal could be the difference of your clubs survival or not. 

[kenny]

3 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Give me some evidence to back that statement up. As it's utter garbage based on nothing from my perspective. 

 

Here's my evidence

 

The Premier League itself:

• Investigated City for years

• Brought 115 charges

• Sent it to an independent commission

• Funded a huge legal case

If they “wanted it to go away,” they wouldn’t have:

• Opened a formal investigation

• Publicly announced charges

• Risked their reputation, and it wouldn't still be going on, they're the ones bringing the case to the table, they can drop the case anytime they want.

 

 

 

 

Not intended to offer any evidence. It's not utter garbage based on my perspective.

 

It certainly gives the facade of some sporting merit to what is essentially an Americanised entertainment league now.

 

Weird that Chelsea selling hotels to themselves was not pursued but Man City are, albeit it will probably dropped at some point. I am in no doubt that the big 6 are in closer cahoots than tribal fans realise, with the relationships designed to keep the money at the top.

 

The sooner it implodes the better.

[UniFox21]

6 minutes ago, Sky Blues said:

I would put it more simply than most. 

 

When the 6 points deduction was given you looked quite safe because of the poor teams near the bottom and you looked like picking up points. But the other clubs have been picking up points and you haven't.

 

You're now 2 points from safety and don't know where your next points are going to come from. Relegation from the Championship with the expenses accrued constantly could easily lead to your club being liquidated. Top hasn't got the cash to save your club if it happens, so this appeal could be the difference of your clubs survival or not. 

Probably not too far off. 

 

The rules were never and are not able keeping clubs safe, the irony will be if the rules lead to a club being liquidated. 

[Fear Of The Fox]

On 05/02/2026 at 17:30, Fear Of The Fox said:

We might appeal and get a 10pts deduction after it. Then we can go to CAS and get a 14pts deduction. 

Everything is possible with the geniuses running this club. 

Oh well. I shouldn't have posted this one. 

I'm getting ready to buy a tractor for League One away games. I'll need it to get through some of the roads in villages and fields. It's a good investment for League Two and National League afterwards. 

[Hitesh]

This is suicidal in my opinion. Just draw a line against this incompetence of managing the clubs finances and move on.

[Terraloon]

16 minutes ago, kenny said:

Not intended to offer any evidence. It's not utter garbage based on my perspective.

 

It certainly gives the facade of some sporting merit to what is essentially an Americanised entertainment league now.

 

Weird that Chelsea selling hotels to themselves was not pursued but Man City are, albeit it will probably dropped at some point. I am in no doubt that the big 6 are in closer cahoots than tribal fans realise, with the relationships designed to keep the money at the top.

 

The sooner it implodes the better.

In terms of charges in the EPL Chelsea couldn’t be charged because they were perfectly entitled to carry out the hotel transactions.Completely different debate about the rules themselves.

 

In terms of Man City charges they are not just significant in numbers but also they cover multiple types of alleged indiscretions. Theirs is a truly complex set of charges . These charges won’t be dropped / withdrawn the IC will either find some or all of them proven or  not proven.

 

It’s  interesting you talk about the big 6 being in with cahoots and here we are with Man City  facing those 115 charges and Chelsea with 74 FA charges pending.

 

[Legend_in_blue]

The saying "Don't stir up the hornet's nest" has never felt so apt.

 

The people behind the scenes at our football club are stupid.  

[kenny]

3 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

In terms of charges in the EPL Chelsea couldn’t be charged because they were perfectly entitled to carry out the hotel transactions.Completely different debate about the rules themselves.

 

In terms of Man City charges they are not just significant in numbers but also they cover multiple types of alleged indiscretions. Theirs is a truly complex set of charges . These charges won’t be dropped / withdrawn the IC will either find some or all of them proven or  not proven.

 

It’s  interesting you talk about the big 6 being in with cahoots and here we are with Man City  facing those 115 charges and Chelsea with 74 FA charges pending.

 

I thought Chelsea needed prior approval to sell the hotels, but didn't bother then it was waived through? The rules were changed afterwards to prevent others following suit?

 

As you have said, the charges to those clubs are not psr related and probably won't involve 'sporting' sanctions. My guess is fines.

[hackneyfox]

1 hour ago, DennisNedry said:

It'd be funny if, on appeal, the deduction was increased. 

Weird person 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, kenny said:

I thought Chelsea needed prior approval to sell the hotels, but didn't bother then it was waived through? The rules were changed afterwards to prevent others following suit?

 

As you have said, the charges to those clubs are not psr related and probably won't involve 'sporting' sanctions. My guess is fines.

I might be wrong but I think the PL clubs voted to allow Chelsea’s purchases of hotel and ladies team and then to amend the rules. (Rather than the PL board changing the rules) 

 

im not surprised we’ve appealed given where we are.   The board will be shocked that having sacked cifuentes, the wins didn’t just appear ….  Almost as if 2022/23 never happened. 

[Sky Blues]

19 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Probably not too far off. 

 

The rules were never and are not able keeping clubs safe, the irony will be if the rules lead to a club being liquidated. 

It isn't the rules that have got you in trouble. It's not following the rules that have put you in serious financial trouble. You would be in at least the same trouble if the rules didn't exist. 

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

37 minutes ago, kenny said:

Not intended to offer anyC

 

It certainly gives the facade of some sporting merit to what is essentially an Americanised entertainment league now.

 

Weird that Chelsea selling hotels to themselves was not pursued but Man City are, albeit it will probably dropped at some point. I am in no doubt that the big 6 are in closer cahoots than tribal fans realise, with the relationships designed to keep the money at the top.

 

The sooner it implodes the better.

Chelsea broke no rules what they did between their holding companies is perfectly legal.

 

Manchester City are in a legal battle with the Premier League.

 

Don't hate the player hate the game, which you appear to be doing and is fine.

 

This Is a Leicester City Forum, I would far rather have the owners of Chelsea or Manchester City involved at our club than our current ones as they know how to navigate the game. 

 

By taking issue with Footballing institutions instead of blaming our owners for not keeping us safe you are neglecting what is a core point of keeping this club alive. It's a fair point to make but a completely redundant one at this point, this club is being miss managed. This is a business needing to operate in the parameters it is given, they aren't doing that. If you want to campaign and change the way football is ran then I'd wait until this is over, we have done far too much to damage ourselves without blaming them and that is what needs to change first. 

[Terraloon]

7 minutes ago, kenny said:

I thought Chelsea needed prior approval to sell the hotels, but didn't bother then it was waived through? The rules were changed afterwards to prevent others following suit?

 

As you have said, the charges to those clubs are not psr related and probably won't involve 'sporting' sanctions. My guess is fines.

From memory Chelsea had to have the sell ratified under the PL rules and again from memory there were requirements around timing and fair value but    any issues that may have been rumoured seems to have been dismissed or not not factual.

 

The 74 charges , Fa ones, that Chelsea face could well result in sporting sanctions but my guess would be that’s £100+ million still being withheld from Blue Co purchase will be attractive to the FA. 
City do face specific charges around FFP / PSR 

[Terraloon]

8 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

Chelsea broke no rules what they did between their holding companies is perfectly legal.

 

Manchester City are in a legal battle with the Premier League.

 

Don't hate the player hate the game, which you appear to be doing and is fine.

 

This Is a Leicester City Forum, I would far rather have the owners of Chelsea or Manchester City involved at our club than our current ones as they know how to navigate the game. 

 

By taking issue with Footballing institutions instead of blaming our owners for not keeping us safe you are neglecting what is a core point of keeping this club alive. It's a fair point to make but a completely redundant one at this point, this club is being miss managed. This is a business needing to operate in the parameters it is given, they aren't doing that. If you want to campaign and change the way football is ran then I'd wait until this is over, we have done far too much to damage ourselves without blaming them and that is what needs to change first. 

This is an excellent post 

[UniFox21]

17 minutes ago, Sky Blues said:

It isn't the rules that have got you in trouble. It's not following the rules that have put you in serious financial trouble. You would be in at least the same trouble if the rules didn't exist. 

 

 

I disagree on that last point; we have tried to push past our means, trying to push on too quickly. Which left us where we are, compounded by the financial restrictions the rules put on anyone below the top 6 really. 

[Sky Blues]

36 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Weird person 

Hi Hackers good to see you again 😊 

 

And yes you certainly are 😂

[splinterdream]

2 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I disagree on that last point; we have tried to push past our means, trying to push on too quickly. Which left us where we are, compounded by the financial restrictions the rules put on anyone below the top 6 really. 

We have been like a gambler trying to recoup our losses but just made things worse.

[Lambert09]

I think many on here are biased because of our hate towards our ownership. I think its pretty ludacrus that we have a bigger points deduction than forest despite less of a loss. No matter how they package all these penaltys together. Not to mention that its in a different division. The whole thing is a farce.  Chelsea have 74 charges against them and its being widely reported they wont get a points deduction because it punishes the fans so it will be financial only.  I dont see why we should just accept it because we have been mismanaged. 

 

I think what the premier league have done well, is push out this 20 point nonsense, so that the fans and wider community are thinking that 6 points seems good. when in reality it shoudl be 4 at most based on the past precidents and chuck in a fine ffs.  But we embarrassed the premier league and they want nothing more than to push us to insolvency. Its a common tactic, and they have used it to get more from the IC and  based on the posts on here, its worked for most of our own fans as well 

[kenny]

26 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

Chelsea broke no rules what they did between their holding companies is perfectly legal.

 

Manchester City are in a legal battle with the Premier League.

 

Don't hate the player hate the game, which you appear to be doing and is fine.

 

This Is a Leicester City Forum, I would far rather have the owners of Chelsea or Manchester City involved at our club than our current ones as they know how to navigate the game. 

 

By taking issue with Footballing institutions instead of blaming our owners for not keeping us safe you are neglecting what is a core point of keeping this club alive. It's a fair point to make but a completely redundant one at this point, this club is being miss managed. This is a business needing to operate in the parameters it is given, they aren't doing that. If you want to campaign and change the way football is ran then I'd wait until this is over, we have done far too much to damage ourselves without blaming them and that is what needs to change first. 

I'm one of those odd people that believes that the club can be mismanaged and that the premier League is a corrupt mess, mismanaged by football institutions. It wants to be a 'sporting type' product not a sport.

 

2 thoughts in one person isn't that odd even on a Leicester forum.

 

I don't wish to campaign on anything to do with football. It's an entertainment medium that is making itself less entertaining IMO. I would wholeheartedly support a European Super League as it would be the easiest way to get our national sport back.

[Long Eaton Fox]

2 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Wrong player

Ok who did we sign 14 seconds late?

[AKCJ]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I'm sorry but all of these are nonsense and just optics. **** the optics right now we just want to stay in the league. 

 

Appealing has no risk. 

 

Like I said, no club in the history of English football has ever gotten a larger points deduction as a result of their own appeal against the initial amount and we won't be the first. That's not going to happen. 

 

And the Premier League had already made their own appeal before we made ours anyway. 

 

This entire meltdown is moot and typical foxestalk. This is just a non issue and was always going to happen. 

 

How is any of that nonsense?

 

The entire football world is laughing at Leicester City. Do you honestly not care about that?

 

What has happened before to other clubs before us is completely moot because the only clubs to be charged with points deductions by the Premier League for breaching PSR are Everton and Forest and both cooperated entirely.

 

I want us to get away with it but only if it is in keeping with the rules. The club have spent years and lots of money to avoid the rules and penalties. It's about time they accepted responsibility and moved on. 

 

The entire situation is ridiculous and entirely in keeping with our idiotic nepo baby owner. Refusing to take accountability is his personality.