Gary Rowett

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

We were away from home against a Mark Robins side who still managed to bring on Nzonzi, Manhoef, Rak-Sakyi and Ben Gibson. 
 

We have our own injuries too. 
 

If Stoke came in at HT more than 1-0 up it would’ve flattered them. They just crossed it constantly. 
 

Our second half was better than their first half. 
 

We deserved to win.

 

It was Rowetts first game after less than half a week at the club. 
 

Christ🤦‍♂️

Why bother doing anything else ?

[Headcase]

2 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

I was pretty impressed. Nowhere near as attritional as I thought it would be and seemed to get way more energy out of the players. Let's see if it continues, but I saw signs of life at least!

2nd half ....1st half was one of the slowest lazy & and cant be ass'd performances of the season.  Even monga who generally looks like he as energy was just plodding around, its weird because when you get a new manager you normally get an energy and effort bump, as they try to impress. 

Theres no competition for places and thats the only reason i think first half was so poor,  2nd much improved.

[teblin]

4 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

Some mighty over reactions on here  

 

Second half fair enough that’s where we need to be, first half was abysmal and we are lucky Stoke hasn’t got out of sight. 

100% agree but I guess people are just trying to grab some hope.

 

3 days training, and we got more points than the last 4 weeks.

 

Long way to go, but the back 4 is woeful which is the big issue.

[Gamble92]

2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Rowett half time team talk vs Marti like night and day.

Agree, but don't forget Marti got the same reaction early on.

[Claudio Fannieri]

Just now, Gamble92 said:

Agree, but don't forget Marti got the same reaction early on.

Ruud looked amazing in his first two games then it all went to 💩 

[Filberts lovechild]

First half was awful. Second, the difference in my view is we moved Winks into an 8 with Skipp the on DCM. Mukasa was poor first half, but improved massively second. Daka is a ****ing turd, I’d rather put Mavididi up top at the minute tbh. Defending awful, not just the CB’s but our lack of running to stop crosses, were most vulnerable from crosses into the box & we need to sort it out.

We deserved to win based on second half. Not seen their second on TV but looked offside to me

[HP1]

2 minutes ago, Filberts lovechild said:

First half was awful. Second, the difference in my view is we moved Winks into an 8 with Skipp the on DCM. Mukasa was poor first half, but improved massively second. Daka is a ****ing turd, I’d rather put Mavididi up top at the minute tbh. Defending awful, not just the CB’s but our lack of running to stop crosses, were most vulnerable from crosses into the box & we need to sort it out.

We deserved to win based on second half. Not seen their second on TV but looked offside to me

Was onside from the cross, unless someone got a flick on in the middle

[oxford blue]

3 hours ago, Tuna said:

Play like we did in the second half and get better defensively and we stay up.

True - but it would also be correct to say if we play in first half and get better defensively like we did against Coventry and Southampton we stay up.  Perhaps stating the obvious, but breakthrough will  come when there are decent performances in both first and second halves

[HarryDee8]

Sort the defence out Garry!! 

 

I'm glad we got a manager in who used to play in defence. And with the assistant manager

[LCFCnotKPFC]

3 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Two be fair Vestergaard has probably been one of our better players this season.

 

Him, James and Fatawu definitely make this team better.

 

There's a guy who sits two rows behind me who constantly slags off Vestegaard and I know it's a popular opinion to hate guy bloke, but it doesn't seem to be performance related to me. He seems to be the scapegoat for our initial relegation, despite never playing a single League game for us that Season. 

 

In his defence, we know his flaws, yet people never discuss his strengths. He ALWAYS gets on the ball and is the player who always tries to get us playing and progressing forward. It's bizarre to me how much criticism he gets, as a centre half, when we've regularly seen Choudhury play in the last few years, a central midfielder, who always avoids responsibility and just passes sideways and backwards.

 

I feel the same with Winks, who by the way, is night and day the best footballer we have in our squad and is still the best central midfielder in this League. The fact he has played for King and now Rowett proves to me he wasn't just flat out refusing to play....Because he's now playing. Seems like we trusted an incompetent manager to toss aside players like Winks and Faes, who no matter what personal vendetta you have against them, are miles better than the guys who have replaced them.

 

Winks, Vestergaard and Faes walked this league a couple of years back. Suggesting Nelson should be playing just because he "Did ok at Oxford", is also part of the reason we're in this mess. We've overrated our young players massively and backed the wrong players, and now we're paying the price. 

[JimJams]

Monaco fans can tell you how good Faes is.

[CloudFox]

Rowett spoke well post-match. He pointed out to the players and on the radio that whereas in previous weeks conceding a late equaliser has seen us completely collapse, or drop deep, today we pushed forward and looked the likelier winners. Maybe it's new manager bounce, but I have some hope that it's because of his influence. Hopefully with some more time on the training ground he can build a bit more mental toughness in the squad...and do something with our defence...

[inckley fox]

31 minutes ago, LCFCnotKPFC said:

 

There's a guy who sits two rows behind me who constantly slags off Vestegaard and I know it's a popular opinion to hate guy bloke, but it doesn't seem to be performance related to me. He seems to be the scapegoat for our initial relegation, despite never playing a single League game for us that Season. 

 

In his defence, we know his flaws, yet people never discuss his strengths. He ALWAYS gets on the ball and is the player who always tries to get us playing and progressing forward. It's bizarre to me how much criticism he gets, as a centre half, when we've regularly seen Choudhury play in the last few years, a central midfielder, who always avoids responsibility and just passes sideways and backwards.

 

I feel the same with Winks, who by the way, is night and day the best footballer we have in our squad and is still the best central midfielder in this League. The fact he has played for King and now Rowett proves to me he wasn't just flat out refusing to play....Because he's now playing. Seems like we trusted an incompetent manager to toss aside players like Winks and Faes, who no matter what personal vendetta you have against them, are miles better than the guys who have replaced them.

 

Winks, Vestergaard and Faes walked this league a couple of years back. Suggesting Nelson should be playing just because he "Did ok at Oxford", is also part of the reason we're in this mess. We've overrated our young players massively and backed the wrong players, and now we're paying the price. 

Winks, Vestergard and Faes benefited from Vardy, Hermansen, Dewsbury-Hall and Ndidi, plus a younger Pereira. They've been largely awful ever since. And I don't doubt that Winks has talent, but a decent half of football after two years of being mostly below par, during which time he was photographed disrespecting one manager, before being cast out by the next two, is hardly redemption. Not yet.

 

Awful recruitment and awful player application, including by Winks, has been a far greater problem than any individual manager. Your surmising, based on pretty much today alone (because statistically our results are a good deal worse when Winks starts), that he isn't indicative of the problems at the club, but Cifuentes and his predecessors have been, is just chopped logic. And it's dismissive of the cultural issues which have been at the heart of our decline.

 

I hope Winks redeems himself. If he does, we'll stay up and Rowett will get a whole load of deserved credit. But we shouldn't kid ourselves - these players have let multiple managers and coaches down, and shown an unacceptable lack of effort for a long, long time. We can't lose sight of that if there's to be any chance of making things better in the future.

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, teblin said:

100% agree but I guess people are just trying to grab some hope.

 

3 days training, and we got more points than the last 4 weeks.

 

Long way to go, but the back 4 is woeful which is the big issue.

It’s tragically bad to the point where Skipp looks like Maldini when he has to fill in. What are we on now in terms of games without a clean sheet, got to mid to late 20’s by now. 

[StanSP]

What were his post match comments like? 

[Manwell Pablo]

2 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Winks, Vestergard and Faes benefited from Vardy, Hermansen, Dewsbury-Hall and Ndidi, plus a younger Pereira. They've been largely awful ever since. And I don't doubt that Winks has talent, but a decent half of football after two years of being mostly below par, during which time he was photographed disrespecting one manager, before being cast out by the next two, is hardly redemption. Not yet.

 

Awful recruitment and awful player application, including by Winks, has been a far greater problem than any individual manager. Your surmising, based on pretty much today alone (because statistically our results are a good deal worse when Winks starts), that he isn't indicative of the problems at the club, but Cifuentes and his predecessors have been, is just chopped logic. And it's dismissive of the cultural issues which have been at the heart of our decline.

 

I hope Winks redeems himself. If he does, we'll stay up and Rowett will get a whole load of deserved credit. But we shouldn't kid ourselves - these players have let multiple managers and coaches down, and shown an unacceptable lack of effort for a long, long time. We can't lose sight of that if there's to be any chance of making things better in the future.

His professionalism is terrible but then he thinks he’s too good to be here, his motives for that will only be known to him but if it’s because he thinks the club is being run farcically it’s hard to disagree with him. 
 

To be clear I’m not standing up for him he should do the job he’s paid to do he’s a football player not a director. 
 

In terms of ability he’s clearly a good player. Not as good as his pay packet suggests however and that’s why he should be more professional. 

[inckley fox]

1 minute ago, Manwell Pablo said:

His professionalism is terrible but then he thinks he’s too good to be here, his motives for that will only be known to him but if it’s because he thinks the club is being run farcically it’s hard to disagree with him. 
 

To be clear I’m not standing up for him he should do the job he’s paid to do he’s a football player not a director. 
 

In terms of ability he’s clearly a good player. Not as good as his pay packet suggests however and that’s why he should be more professional. 

Well, I wouldn't argue with you there.

[Sting]

I like Rowett as our manager, and there was a big improvement in the 2nd half today. That was a game that he could watch for himself and it encapsulated our season to a "T" So let's look for improvements on Tuesday, against a strong Boro side. I'm looking forward to it (For once).

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, Headcase said:

2nd half ....1st half was one of the slowest lazy & and cant be ass'd performances of the season.  Even monga who generally looks like he as energy was just plodding around, its weird because when you get a new manager you normally get an energy and effort bump, as they try to impress. 

Theres no competition for places and thats the only reason i think first half was so poor,  2nd much improved.

I'd never in a million years wish to blame a kid for our current plight, and fully believe that Monga could turn out to be a superb talent, but at times I feel as if we should see a bit more energy and running from him.

 

I feel bad for even saying it. And it's so low down the list of woes, and so entirely understandable given the general malaise about the place. Then again, years ago I bought a stack of 1970s and 80s matchday programmes, and you saw Wallace saying that it was key for the youngsters he blooded to understand that, with that, comes the same responsibility and scrutiny that a 33 year-old is subjected to.

 

So I think it'd be reasonable for Rowett to ask for a little more in terms of his work-rate. He did grow into the game though.

[ClaphamFox]

I have a feeling our season may end up hinging on the fact that we got Rowett before West Brom did. They’ll sack Ramsay for sure, but they’ll struggle to get someone better equipped for this battle than Rowett. 

[Big Blue Maff]

1 hour ago, inckley fox said:

I'd never in a million years wish to blame a kid for our current plight, and fully believe that Monga could turn out to be a superb talent, but at times I feel as if we should see a bit more energy and running from him.

 

I feel bad for even saying it. And it's so low down the list of woes, and so entirely understandable given the general malaise about the place. Then again, years ago I bought a stack of 1970s and 80s matchday programmes, and you saw Wallace saying that it was key for the youngsters he blooded to understand that, with that, comes the same responsibility and scrutiny that a 33 year-old is subjected to.

 

So I think it'd be reasonable for Rowett to ask for a little more in terms of his work-rate. He did grow into the game though.

I get what ur saying however what I don’t get is all the hype surrounding his status. He’s done **** ALL , yes he’s 16 but he just don’t seem to get involved enough. **** me . Looks like he ain’t interested a lot of the time , YES HE’S YOUNG , but one this he ain’t and that is THIS WONDER KID we always hear him referred as . 
 

Real Madrid / Man City ain’t buying him ( which is the bullshit I regularly see printed) like all our players and him included he needs to pull his socks up , get involved more and attempt to keep us in this division END OF 🦊🙏🦊🙏

[The Year Of The Fox]

I think we’ve got a fighting chance under Rowett

 

 

[Hales]

Whatever he said at half time worked! Played with a bit of fight and actually ran!

[LCFCnotKPFC]

3 hours ago, JimJams said:

Monaco fans can tell you how good Faes is.

 

Wout Faes and Jannik Vestergaard were our centre half partnership in 23-24, when we won this league and had the best defence.

Their midfield screen was the diminutive Harry Winks. With Hamza Choudhury routinely being asked to play at full back, and the inexperienced Callum Doyle also often featuring at left back.

 

But apparently it's a good idea to play Ben Nelson over them, because he's young, local and helped Oxford to finish 17th last Season. A Season in which he ONLY played 17 games for them by the way.

 

In a 46 game Championship Season, even with a 6 point deficit, we don't get relegated with a Faes-Vestergard-Winks trio starting every game. 

[murphy]

8 minutes ago, LCFCnotKPFC said:

 

Wout Faes and Jannik Vestergaard were our centre half partnership in 23-24, when we won this league and had the best defence.

Their midfield screen was the diminutive Harry Winks. With Hamza Choudhury routinely being asked to play at full back, and the inexperienced Callum Doyle also often featuring at left back.

 

But apparently it's a good idea to play Ben Nelson over them, because he's young, local and helped Oxford to finish 17th last Season. A Season in which he ONLY played 17 games for them by the way.

 

In a 46 game Championship Season, even with a 6 point deficit, we don't get relegated with a Faes-Vestergard-Winks trio starting every game. 

Vestergaard has played 24 times this season and Faes 15 times.  Often together.  Nelson 18 times.  Faes has been in and out of the team due to poor form and dumb mistakes.  

 

You have seen us.  We have been terrible with Faes and vestergaard.  We don't have the second worst defensive record by accident.  Any combination we have tried has been poor. 

 

Can you explain why Mavididi was effective under Enzo and hopeless now?  Winks and Ricardo too.  Even Daka got the odd goal under Enzo.  One this season.