Thracian Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 If Milan Mandaric was a foreigner with a longtime passion for Leicester City and tales to tell about the best and worst games he'd watched here, I might be more impressed but to me he's just a foreign speculator, sometime who would buy Leicester City in the same way he'd buy any underperforming businesses to flatter his ego and boost his bank balance. Nothing wrong with that from his point of view but what I want to ask is am I the only one who thinks it utterly distasteful that our football club should be treated like the chips on a roulette table? Am I the only one who feels there's no merit whatsoever in saying that if we want a good football team the answer is simply to go out and buy one. Am I the only one who believes that building a football team is where the joy lies. Spotting potential in people and bringing that potential to fruition in the form of a group of people who emerge as a team worth watching? That is not to say there might not be lasting weaknesses in such a side and that the only way of eradicating those weaknesses would be to buy someone tailor made. But to me it is not only obscene to go out and pay ridiculous amounts of money for a small army of footballing mercenaries but also equally obscene to deny football the services of so many of those mercenaries by leaving them on a bench come Saturday afternoon. Personally I care nothing for football's razzamattaz as such. If Chelsea are on television I've not the slightest interest in watching them although I am always inclined to watch United because I love their style and couldn't give a toss if they are top of the League or in the middle. With Leicester I loved the days when we topped the old First Division and beat the likes of Law, Best, Charlton 6-0 or squeezed a 2-1 win over Liverpool's best ever football team. Matches like 8-4 against Sunderland are etched in the memory but the city players were familiar. They hadn'tbeen bankrolled for millions. Shilts went to school in Braunstone, Davie Gibson moved from Hibernian but lived near Leicester most of his adult life, Howard Riley is still to be seen at the club today. Crossy played cricket for the county as well as football for the City. Leicester today has an arguably unique situation in that its junior ranks are demonstrably stronger than probably ever before and certainly in recent history. Logan, Sterman, Sheehan, Wesolowski, Porter and O'Grady have all pulled on a first team shirt. And yet there still seems to be resentment in some quarters. Are there really so few people who appreciate what we've got here and who have an interest in seeing those top of their League players actually pushing through and topping or challenging at every subsequent grade, as they can do? Do they really want it all thrown away on the whim of a calculating gambler?. Just when the smoke is clearing from the tunnel of despair if only we realised it.
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Those who say no to a takeover, are as foolish as those who say yes. Until we know the facts how people can pass judgement is beyond me. Suprised you haven't done yourself an injury the amount of time you spend sitting on the fence.
Thracian Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Those who say no to a takeover, are as foolish as those who say yes. Until we know the facts how people can pass judgement is beyond me. The facts? Leicester will be told what they want to hear. You should see the corporate bullshit I've read weeks before a company goes bust.
Master Fox Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Sadly Thracian those days have come and gone. The only way to move forward in football in the modern game is financially. If you haven't got money you haven't got a decent team. You just have to look at Wigan, Reading, and Cardiff and compare them to ourselves. If this club is to move forward we need cash and fast. If Mandaric can offer us that then we would be fools to turn him away. Money equals success, sad but true.
Head Honcho Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Just one chink in the armour defending the club against foreign investors! It's too late. Unless Alan Sugar has just bought Teachers we have been run by Foreigners for years!
The People's Hero Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 You are an expert at shooting yourself in the foot Ultra. Are Portsmouth in a better state now than when he joined or not? Has he left them raped and skint....yes or no? I think it's you who needs to "get real". Ultra is becoming a bit of a parody, arguably of himself. Anti-everything. I'm sure he'd argue the sky was pink, if he could find someone to argue with.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Sadly Thracian those days have come and gone. The only way to move forward in football in the modern game is financially. If you haven't got money you haven't got a decent team. You just have to look at Wigan, Reading, and Cardiff and compare them to ourselves. If this club is to move forward we need cash and fast. If Mandaric can offer us that then we would be fools to turn him away. Money equals success, sad but true. I don't think you can apologise for our performances this season simply due to money. There are a lot of managers and clubs in this division who haven't been able to afford or attract players of the quality we supposedly have in this squad (Williams, Hughes, Douglas, Sylla, Maybury to name but five would never have gone to Colchester for example). Yet we continue to play like clods. Of course I'd support the Mandaric takeover but it undermines our collective argument to say it can't be done without money.
Strokes Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 I don't think you can apologise for our performances this season simply due to money. There are a lot of managers and clubs in this division who haven't been able to afford or attract players of the quality we supposedly have in this squad (Williams, Hughes, Douglas, Sylla, Maybury to name but five would never have gone to Colchester for example). Yet we continue to play like clods. Of course I'd support the Mandaric takeover but it undermines our collective argument to say it can't be done without money. I agree with that but it certainly helps to have money avaliable.
Master Fox Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 I don't think you can apologise for our performances this season simply due to money. There are a lot of managers and clubs in this division who haven't been able to afford or attract players of the quality we supposedly have in this squad (Williams, Hughes, Douglas, Sylla, Maybury to name but five would never have gone to Colchester for example). Yet we continue to play like clods. Of course I'd support the Mandaric takeover but it undermines our collective argument to say it can't be done without money. I completely agree with you Fez, there can be no excuses for the abysmal performances over last three seasons. Our current team is under achieving without doubt, but I sometimes feel a lot of fans on here especially, really over rate some the players in our squad. But at the same time people continue to argue with have no money, but in reality if the board or Mandaric don't invest in strengthening the team between now and January we'll find ourselves in League 1 with far greater financial issues than we currently have.
Babylon Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Suprised you haven't done yourself an injury the amount of time you spend sitting on the fence. What a stupid comment. How can I possibly say one way or another without knowing... how much money he is putting into the team, is he buying the stadium, will money be repayable should he up sticks, how long is he sticking round for. You'd be a fool to be 100% for or against without knowing the facts. Of course i'm up for a take over if the conditions are correct.
Babylon Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 The facts? Leicester will be told what they want to hear. You should see the corporate bullshit I've read weeks before a company goes bust. So you think the current board would upsticks without getting something in writing about investment from him etc. Do you really think they are that foolish?
Thracian Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Sadly Thracian those days have come and gone. The only way to move forward in football in the modern game is financially. If you haven't got money you haven't got a decent team. You just have to look at Wigan, Reading, and Cardiff and compare them to ourselves. If this club is to move forward we need cash and fast. If Mandaric can offer us that then we would be fools to turn him away. Money equals success, sad but true. a) Sadly money doesn't equal success. It only sometimes equals success, and then that success might only be fleeting. b) We have got a decent team. We just don't play a decent team and that has to change. c) The Board are well able to raise money without selling our soul. They should start leading this club properly and with a bit of vigour. As chairman I would never allow RK to serve such football for a start and would tell him in no uncertain terms exactly the sort of football policy I wanted, and why. It wouldn't be anything like what was served against Real Sociedad, Burnley, West Brom, Hull and Colchester. If he couldn't respond to those requirements I would find someone who would.
Babylon Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Suprised you haven't done yourself an injury the amount of time you spend sitting on the fence. As for sitting on the fence... how exactly am I sitting on the fence when I have umpteen times said Kelly should have more time.
Thracian Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 So you think the current board would upsticks without getting something in writing about investment from him etc. Do you really think they are that foolish? Of course they'd get something in writing about the inveestment. But where and how the investment would be directed would be a diferent matter. Do you think anyone would fund an operation they wouldn't ultimately control?. Would you with your money.
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 As for sitting on the fence... how exactly am I sitting on the fence when I have umpteen times said Kelly should have more time. Six more games you said, not to long to annoy the Kelly our brigade, long enough to keep the kelly in brigade happy.
Babylon Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Six more games you said, not to long to annoy the Kelly our brigade, long enough to keep the kelly in brigade happy. I'm in the Keep kelly camp well a truely at the minute put it that way. In 6 games i'll review it, I didn't mean i'll give him 6 and he's out the door. But i'm not stupid enough to blindly say keep him all season no matter what happens. I like to think i'm level headed, i'm not going to be screaming promotion after 3 wins on the trot and i'm not going scream relegation after 3 losses. I said at beginning of our manager merry go round with adams that sacking the manager every five minutes is a one way ticket to relegation... slowly but surely every time we sack someone things seem to get that little bit worse. I'm not sure we are as bad as we were under Levein having said that... yet.
Babylon Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Of course they'd get something in writing about the inveestment. But where and how the investment would be directed would be a diferent matter. Do you think anyone would fund an operation they wouldn't ultimately control?. Would you with your money. Well MM sat on the Portsmouth Board until his assurances had been met by Gaydamark (sp).
Thracian Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 I'm in the Keep kelly camp well a truely at the minute put it that way. In 6 games i'll review it, I didn't mean i'll give him 6 and he's out the door. But i'm not stupid enough to blindly say keep him all season no matter what happens. I like to think i'm level headed, i'm not going to be screaming promotion after 3 wins on the trot and i'm not going scream relegation after 3 losses. I said at beginning of our manager merry go round with adams that sacking the manager every five minutes is a one way ticket to relegation... slowly but surely every time we sack someone things seem to get that little bit worse. I'm not sure we are as bad as we were under Levein having said that... yet. Not sacking Levein could well have been a ticket to relegation as well. But as to what appears to be your basic instinct I always think sacking the manager is a really serious and often desperate step. And for that reason I hope beyond all expectation that Kelly broadens his mind and blossoms as a manager. So far, since we escaped relegation,and sometimes before, he's been utterly frustrating.
Swedging Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Well MM sat on the Portsmouth Board until his assurances had been met by Gaydamark (sp). Is that a euphemism for until his money had been paid?
dynamite foxes Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 a) Sadly money doesn't equal success. It only sometimes equals success, and then that success might only be fleeting. b) We have got a decent team. We just don't play a decent team and that has to change. c) The Board are well able to raise money without selling our soul. They should start leading this club properly and with a bit of vigour. As chairman I would never allow RK to serve such football for a start and would tell him in no uncertain terms exactly the sort of football policy I wanted, and why. It wouldn't be anything like what was served against Real Sociedad, Burnley, West Brom, Hull and Colchester. If he couldn't respond to those requirements I would find someone who would. My God you are deluded. Why have Chelsea become the dominating force in the Premiership - because they have plenty of money. As a chairman you have to have faith in your manager, you cannot tell him what to do. We do not have a decent team as we don't have a single player in our midfield with a bit of quality. It is sad but in football, you can buy success
Babylon Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 Is that a euphemism for until his money had been paid? Yes
Louise Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 This thread is now in the top 10 topics with the most posts on this forum! Not bad for a NOTW rumour.
Finnegan Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 I'm going to repeat what I said in the other thread: There's a massive difference between "buying success" and having a few million to actually try buying a couple of decent players. Every club surviving in the Premiership has financial backers, has money from somewhere. Comparing Mandaric's finances to Abramovic's is totally stupid.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 26 September 2006 Posted 26 September 2006 This thread is now in the top 10 topics with the most posts on this forum! Not bad for a NOTW rumour.
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