Swedging Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Far too sensible. You do make some good points though. But ask yourself the question, why would Milan want to buy this club at 68 years of age if he didn't think he could make us successful and make a profit? Er, just because he could make a profit without being successful. And bilking the existing shareholders is one way of doing so. You'd have to be crazy to throw a minimum of £25 million at something that your not going to give your all at. I know he's loaded and he's got more than £25 million but he wouldn't want to risk losing all that and leave his family up the shitter when he snuffs it later on in life. I think he genuinly see's an opportunity to have a good crack at being another messiah on a similar scale. He craves it. 1. It looks like the £25 million is just what his cronies have leaked. Not what's on the table. 2. There are some serious doubts as to whether he has £25 million, let alnoe more. 3. The rest is your wishful thinking.
Swedging Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 His plan is to increase the value of the club so he'll get a return on his investment. Simple. Creating debt has nothing to do with it. It's a question of how the club (and buyout) is funded. Debt has everything to do with it.
Swedging Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 I agree with this. He's performed well enough that we can trust the man. Yeeesss. Played a campaign through the media, apparently misled everyone about the bid. Can I sell you some insurance, please?
Phlashman Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 We should all go and buy a Euromillions ticket on city's behalf for tomorrow night's £88 million draw as a back-up just to be safe.
Swedging Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Martin O'Neill was never a member of the board. But nor was Mandy a manager, if you want to apply that logic.
Daggers Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 We should all go and buy a Euromillions ticket on city's behalf... City be bolloxed - when I win I'm going to go buy some team in some place I've never been to and don't support, on a whim. Hell, it's what all multi-millionaires do. I'll kick you all back some cash by buying Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuume. How do you like them apples?
Fez of Mahrez Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 But nor was Mandy a manager, if you want to apply that logic. Nope, never said he was - but Mandaric brought them out of admin and enabled Redknapp to buy players they could never have otherwise had (i.e. Prosinecki in the Championship, remember that? - not to mention the likes of Steve Stone and Paul Merson, let alone promising young players like Matthew Taylor). Not comparable to our board in the slightest, and O'Neill never had the funds, relatively speaking, that Mandaric offered his managers, given that they were in admin when he took over.
Foxes_Trust Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Because we have in depth knowledge of what is happening currently it has been difficult to comment in the last few days. We don't know who the poster below is, all we suggest is that you listen to him rather more than the media circus which seems to have MM conducting them at present Er, just because he could make a profit without being successful. And bilking the existing shareholders is one way of doing so. 1. It looks like the £25 million is just what his cronies have leaked. Not what's on the table. 2. There are some serious doubts as to whether he has £25 million, let alnoe more. 3. The rest is your wishful thinking. It's a question of how the club (and buyout) is funded. Debt has everything to do with it. Yeeesss. Played a campaign through the media, apparently misled everyone about the bid. We will make a full comment as soon as we are able, as we have to act in the best long term interests of the club & the fans and therefore keep cards close to the chest while more than one party is interested in taking the club forward.
Edmund Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1937091,00.html Milan Mandaric's initial takeover offer for Leicester City "does not have a hope in hell" of succeeding, according to an influential shareholder at the club. The former Portsmouth chairman yesterday tabled what he described as a "fair and generous offer" after weeks of speculation linking him with a move for Leicester, but sources close to the deal insist the bid is significantly less than the £6.6m invested to rescue the Championship club from collapse four years ago. is this pure breeze... always thought the guardian to be trustworthy..
Milky Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 so things were to good to be true you dare to dream and look what happens.
Finnegan Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 It's all politics. Using the media to slip tid bits like this, encourage Mandaric to raise his price and re-offer. Like they said, it's not going to happen over night, they'll be bartering for a week or two yet and you can expect more stories like this. It's also worthy of note that this is just one shareholder.
Jordan Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Thanks for ruining my evening, Foxes Trust! But why would MM play up this whole media campaign if he doesn't have the necessary funds to push his takeover bid any further? Sure, I'm beginning to doubt if he will succeed, but I also doubt he's a little too smart to set himself up for all the bad publicity that would come if the shareholders laugh and throw a paltry offer right back in his face.
lookwhaticando Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1937091,00.html is this pure breeze... always thought the guardian to be trustworthy.. Being the Guardian, it probably meant to say "does not have hop in heel"
BartonFox Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Because we have in depth knowledge of what is happening currently it has been difficult to comment in the last few days. We don't know who the poster below is, all we suggest is that you listen to him rather more than the media circus which seems to have MM conducting them at present We will make a full comment as soon as we are able, as we have to act in the best long term interests of the club & the fans and therefore keep cards close to the chest while more than one party is interested in taking the club forward. Oh good grief lol
Bluefoxtim Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Surely if the club has no money, and then Mandaric has no money after buying back the stadium and a couple of players, surely we would be in the same situation as we are currently but the added bonus of our own ground + some players + a higher league posistion. So so what if he runs out?
I_miss_wembley_finals Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Talking of how much Milan can afford or would be willing to pay makes me want to remind people of how the Glazers took over Man Utd - they are now some £800m in debt I believe, and that is what worries the fans and respective trusts etc. What we need to bear in mind is it is possible to sustain a level of debt in a business, in fact it is sensible to do so, to maintain an affordable cost of capital (which is an effective rate of interest required as a return on funds). The concept of gearing, which measures the relative amounts of debt and equity in a business should be applied. If MM wants to take over with some debt this is not a bad thing because the rate of interest required may be less than that he and or other shareholders require but as a more liquid company, and therefore less risky, interest rates will be a damn sight lower than those paid to teachers for the stadium. I must add I don't profess to understand the full dynamics of what we are considering, that is what I hope the board and their advisers will do for us, but just trying to offer some basic principles that explain why MM and debt is not necessarily a bad thing.
Swedging Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Exclusive - MM's bid in Full 1. Buy out existing shareholders for just under £5 million 2. Offer to lend the club up to another £20 million 3. Er, no, sorry, there isn't a 3. That's it.
The Don Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 1. Buy out existing shareholders for just under £5 million 2. Offer to lend the club up to another £20 million 3. Er, no, sorry, there isn't a 3. That's it. Doesn't sound too bad. Only thing is how do you repay £20m back, if we're in the championship and have no money and he wants to pull out??
Swedging Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Talking of how much Milan can afford or would be willing to pay makes me want to remind people of how the Glazers took over Man Utd - they are now some £800m in debt I believe, and that is what worries the fans and respective trusts etc. What we need to bear in mind is it is possible to sustain a level of debt in a business, in fact it is sensible to do so, to maintain an affordable cost of capital (which is an effective rate of interest required as a return on funds). The concept of gearing, which measures the relative amounts of debt and equity in a business should be applied. If MM wants to take over with some debt this is not a bad thing because the rate of interest required may be less than that he and or other shareholders require but as a more liquid company, and therefore less risky, interest rates will be a damn sight lower than those paid to teachers for the stadium. I must add I don't profess to understand the full dynamics of what we are considering, that is what I hope the board and their advisers will do for us, but just trying to offer some basic principles that explain why MM and debt is not necessarily a bad thing. I think that you've got this one a little mixed up. They'd be no additional money coming in except as debt with Mandaric.
Strokes Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Doesn't sound too bad. Only thing is how do you repay £20m back, if we're in the championship and have no money and he wants to pull out?? Get in the Prem, 22m straight the way.
Strokes Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Not that easy though is it maybe not, but alot easier with a few mil to throw at it.
Babylon Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 Not that easy though is it It isn't???? Reading these boards I thought MM coming in guaranteed premiership football.
surrifox Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 If this is true then it is an offer you CAN refuse and the board will certainly reject it (IMO)
Strokes Posted 3 November 2006 Posted 3 November 2006 It isn't???? Reading these boards I thought MM coming in guaranteed premiership football. I'm not for one moment suggesting that we're guarenteed a place in the prem due to Milan, but you have to admit, its going to be easier to build a quality side with money like that avaliable, than it is in our current situation.
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