Daggers Posted 8 June 2007 Posted 8 June 2007 Dance Phube, dance! While the Wii continues to strip the PS3 and fook it to oblivion...Toshiba are now going to include HD-DVD in all laptops from next year - they did 9.2 million notebook PCs in 2006 compared to the PS3's 3.6 million units. The only USP the PS3 had is now looking weaker and weaker. Never be late to market kids, never be late to market
Phube Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 Dance Phube, dance!While the Wii continues to strip the PS3 and fook it to oblivion...Toshiba are now going to include HD-DVD in all laptops from next year - they did 9.2 million notebook PCs in 2006 compared to the PS3's 3.6 million units. The only USP the PS3 had is now looking weaker and weaker. Never be late to market kids, never be late to market Hehe But I'm not a HD-DVD fan either (mainly because I can't afford a HD TV), though they do reckon the both formats will be obsolete in a few years anyway. Digital downloads are said to be the way forward!! P.s. Go Wii!!!
Sly Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 I'm not overly impressed with Blu Ray really. I'm not actually overly impressed with the Playstation 3. In fact, the current crop of games and lack of new titles have made it nothing short of a let down. We still have no football game
Daggers Posted 9 June 2007 Author Posted 9 June 2007 There's going to be some ritual suicides in Sony's head office - and should announce a frantic period of price slashing in order to get the consoles into homes before Toshiba take over the market...and in turn force other laptop manufacturers to install HD-DVD to their machines. It's Sony's last roll of the dice on this one I reckon.
Sly Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 Long and short of it is that Sony have seriously bodged up with the PS3.
Phube Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 I'm not overly impressed with Blu Ray really.I'm not actually overly impressed with the Playstation 3. In fact, the current crop of games and lack of new titles have made it nothing short of a let down. We still have no football game *cough* Wii *cough*
Smudge Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 Hehe But I'm not a HD-DVD fan either (mainly because I can't afford a HD TV), though they do reckon the both formats will be obsolete in a few years anyway. Digital downloads are said to be the way forward!! P.s. Go Wii!!! I'm sure you are right but the download speeds will have to improve massively. If the average HD or Blu Ray disk is 15 gig and the current average download speed is say 250 kb/sec then according to my calculations it would take 17.2 hours to download it. You have to wonder how Sony/Phillips can fail so often with their formats VCR/Betamax comes to mind. HD tv's are really comparatively cheap over here, what do they cost in the UK?
Jay Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 *cough* Wii *cough* still can't decide if I want a Wii or not the brilliance of Guitar Hero on the 360 has wet my appetite for the more involved style of gaming think I am just going to have to go for it!! I'm sure you are right but the download speeds will have to improve massively. If the average HD or Blu Ray disk is 15 gig and the current average download speed is say 250 kb/sec then according to my calculations it would take 17.2 hours to download it. You have to wonder how Sony/Phillips can fail so often with their formats VCR/Betamax comes to mind. HD tv's are really comparitively cheap over here, what do they cost in the UK? well you can get a 32" Panasonic for about £530 or a 26" Samsung for about £420
Phube Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 I'm sure you are right but the download speeds will have to improve massively. If the average HD or Blu Ray disk is 15 gig and the current average download speed is say 250 kb/sec then according to my calculations it would take 17.2 hours to download it. But most people have broadband now, at least 2 Mb/sec!! But when 'wide' broadband comes in (we currently have 'narrow') i.e. >20Mb/sec, in the next few years. That 15 Gig download will only take ~12mins, you counldn't go to the shops and back in that time. So yeah one format might take off and win, but it won't be as long as VHS or DVD, it'll be fleeting at best! still can't decide if I want a Wii or not the brilliance of Guitar Hero on the 360 has wet my appetite for the more involved style of gaming think I am just going to have to go for it!!well you can get a 32" Panasonic for about £530 or a 26" Samsung for about £420 Guitar Hero III is coming to the Wii, plus it has Wii Sports and it's an even better family/friend game! And as for a decent HD tv they still cost >£1000!
Smudge Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 But most people have broadband now, at least 2 Mb/sec!! But when 'wide' broadband comes in (we currently have 'narrow') i.e. >20Mb/sec, in the next few years. That 15 Gig download will only take ~12mins, you counldn't go to the shops and back in that time. So yeah one format might take off and win, but it won't be as long as VHS or DVD, it'll be fleeting at best! Oop's I knew I would screw that up..I have just tested my broadband speed at 1.1mb per second at http://www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest. What I did earlier was up load a 30mb file to my web site and it took 2.5 minutes. As I said, I'm sure you are right in that this is the future. However, download storage is also going to be an issue. We will need terra sized Tivo type machines that will down load the files store them and in turn be able to play them. HD Tivos these days are $600. God only knows what a massive player like that would cost. I see it in the future but not yet. edit: mitigation
lookwhaticando Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 Let us not confuse communication/connection speed (measured in kilobits) and download/storage speeds (measured in kilobytes). Your internet connection may be a "two meg" connection, but that's 2 megabits per second (2mbps). Your download speed, while correlated to your communication speed, is nowhere near this high. Indeed... 1 MegaByte is equivalent to 8 megabit. Data storage and downloads are all measured in Bytes... so now you'll see where the disconnect is. Though your connection may be two megabit, that doesn't mean it'll only take you one second to download a two MegaByte file. As an example: Speed1.9 megabits per second Communications 1.9 megabits per second Storage 231.3 kilobytes per second 1MB file download 4.4 seconds As I said... Communications and Storage speeds are totally different. My (normally faster) connection is currently rated just shy of 2mbps, but it's gonna take me almost five whole seconds to download a file that's only 1MB... rather than half a second. Smudge was a lot closer to the money with his 250KB/sec download speed estimation. That's the true value you should base your calculations on.
Number 6 Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 I really would love to have a wii, unfortunately my uni accom means that I don't really have enough room for it there, and neither do I in my bedroom at home, could set it up on the 40in HD tv downstairs, but as would only get to use it for half of the year think I might wait.
Bryn Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 I think it's beautiful, after years of getting raped by the playstation despite having better games, Nintendo have turned round and stuck a fat nail in the coffin of the PS3 by raping it back in terms of Wii sales.
MC Prussian Posted 9 June 2007 Posted 9 June 2007 Long and short of it is that Sony have seriously bodged up with the PS3. I concur.
Daggers Posted 9 June 2007 Author Posted 9 June 2007 Sony can't organise a fook in a brothel at the moment: Cathedral row over computer game PS3 launch costs hit Sony profits
potter3 Posted 10 June 2007 Posted 10 June 2007 As I said... Communications and Storage speeds are totally different. My (normally faster) connection is currently rated just shy of 2mbps, but it's gonna take me almost five whole seconds to download a file that's only 1MB... rather than half a second. Thats explains why it takes about 30 secons to download a 5mb song even though my internet is 2 mbps I think it's beautiful, after years of getting raped by the playstation despite having better games, Nintendo have turned round and stuck a fat nail in the coffin of the PS3 by raping it back in terms of Wii sales. Better games, the games are why Playstation sold more consoles, most Nintendo exclusive games are 'kiddy games"
Jon the Hat Posted 19 June 2007 Posted 19 June 2007 Don't write off Sony just yet. How many people have their Laptop wired up to their TV? Anyone? I don't, and I have the cables. Never done it. My Playstation on the other hand is permanently attached to my TV. Which one am I more likely to use? Another point. Most people who are willing to pay for a HDTV probably aren't worried about paying a couple of hundred more for a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player. Next, what will putting HD-DVD into laptops cost Toshiba? Either a massive hit on profits or an increase in the price of laptops, which will hit sales. Another one: As with VHS and Betamax, the real battleground is not the hardware but the software. Sony have made a loss on every console they have ever sold. The profit is in the games. They will therefore always make a loss in the launch phase of a console, as the Hardware makes up a larger proportion of the revenue that the Software. It is an interesting tussle, and the most interesting news this week is the blockbuster piece.
Daggers Posted 19 June 2007 Author Posted 19 June 2007 Blockbuster to focus on Blu-ray Blockbuster is dead in the water - it just doesn't know it yet...it will go the way of the video shops before it and the stores become emporiums for cheap scent and stolen goods. No one wants blu-ray. No one really wants HD either...DVD is fine. It's like with music - there has to come a point at which people go "Hang on a minute...I don't want it re-packaged in a different format. I don't want to replace everything I own again." I've replaced all of my old vinyl now either for CD or MP3. If moves were made to prevent me being able to enjoy what I have already I'm damned if I'm going with it. I replaced my old Beta tapes for VHS ones, then I sold the VHS at car boot sales or gave them away...and now Sony and Toshiba think I am going to upgrade my movie collection from DVD to another format because, err, because...nope. Got me. I haven't got a clue why I should give a flying fook about their formats at the perceived benefits. They can stick their built in obsolescence up their fat corporate arse. I'm not buying it.
Manwell Pablo Posted 19 June 2007 Posted 19 June 2007 Blockbuster is dead in the water - it just doesn't know it yet...it will go the way of the video shops before it and the stores become emporiums for cheap scent and stolen goods.No one wants blu-ray. No one really wants HD either...DVD is fine. It's like with music - there has to come a point at which people go "Hang on a minute...I don't want it re-packaged in a different format. I don't want to replace everything I own again." I've replaced all of my old vinyl now either for CD or MP3. If moves were made to prevent me being able to enjoy what I have already I'm damned if I'm going with it. I replaced my old Beta tapes for VHS ones, then I sold the VHS at car boot sales or gave them away...and now Sony and Toshiba think I am going to upgrade my movie collection from DVD to another format because, err, because...nope. Got me. I haven't got a clue why I should give a flying fook about their formats at the perceived benefits. They can stick their built in obsolescence up their fat corporate arse. I'm not buying it. Are HD DVD Drives and/or Blu-ray drives backwards compatiable with DVD's?
lookwhaticando Posted 19 June 2007 Posted 19 June 2007 Are HD DVD Drives and/or Blu-ray drives backwards compatiable with DVD's? While it is not compulsory for manufacturers, the Blu-ray Disc Association recommends that Blu-ray Disc drives should be capable of reading standard DVDs for backward compatibility. For instance, Samsung's first Blu-ray Disc drive can read CDs, regular DVDs, and Blu-ray Discs. All other Blu-ray Disc players released support DVD playback as well, however not all support CD playback. Yes, for the most part.
Phube Posted 19 June 2007 Posted 19 June 2007 Another one: As with VHS and Betamax, the real battleground is not the hardware but the software. Sony have made a loss on every console they have ever sold. The profit is in the games. They will therefore always make a loss in the launch phase of a console, as the Hardware makes up a larger proportion of the revenue that the Software. I know a company who makes a profit on EVERY piece os hardware sold!! I wonder who!???
Dr The Singh Posted 19 June 2007 Posted 19 June 2007 I know a company who makes a profit on EVERY piece os hardware sold!! I wonder who!??? Phubey, i've finally got myself a wii and I luv it!!!!!
Manwell Pablo Posted 19 June 2007 Posted 19 June 2007 I know a company who makes a profit on EVERY piece os hardware sold!! I wonder who!??? Panasonic?
Phube Posted 19 June 2007 Posted 19 June 2007 Phubey, i've finally got myself a wii and I luv it!!!!! Good for you!!! You online with it?? If so PM me your Code, and if you get Marios Strikers (class game) I can batter you on it!! Slowly but surely the world sees sense!!
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