Fryatt Rumours ?

[Thracian]

Elvis Hammond is not forever chasing down lost causes. If something doesn't go his way, he throws his hands in the air and then sulks. He never leaps in the air to challenge a defender and I don't recall him charging in where it hurts. What he does do though is stretch defences with his pace, which if he could pass, think and shoot then he'd be a quality footballer.

It amazes me where you have got this ideology from that Hammond is an aggressive striker.

It never looks pretty but Hammond passes well enough. Against Hinckley there was an excellent example when Levi punted a clearance 40 yards to Hammond who held the ball up on the left, waited for Levi to sprint into the attacking half, fed him a perfect ball inside and he in turn chipped to Beswick who, had he headed in would have netted a candidate for goal of the year.

Hammond hustles defenders constantly. Even when he's clumsier than usual they are never comfortable. Burnley away was a great example. We were getting nowhere against a rock-solid home defence til Hammond arrived and suddenly their composure was replaced by panic.

Contrast that to Fryatt who, if he's not scoring does sod all that I've ever noticed and certainly never causes panic . That doesn't mean I think Elvis is the answer to our striker problem, I don't and have always said that this season his best hope is as a bench option.

Not because he's a tosser but because we really do need someone with quality. Like Fowler.

We've plenty of Fryatt replacements. I'd have all sorts ahead of him even Billy McKay and Ashley Chambers because those kids are quality. But we've no-one experienced who can put fear into defenders minds, no-one like Earnshaw who has to be specially catered for.

[Ric Flair]

It never looks pretty but Hammond passes well enough. Against Hinckley there was an excellent example when Levi punted a clearance 40 yards to Hammond who held the ball up on the left, waited for Levi to sprint into the attacking half, fed him a perfect ball inside and he in turn chipped to Beswick who, had he headed in would have netted a candidate for goal of the year.

Hammond hustles defenders constantly. Even when he's clumsier than usual they are never comfortable. Burnley away was a great example. We were getting nowhere against a rock-solid home defence til Hammond arrived and suddenly their composure was replaced by panic.

Contrast that to Fryatt who, if he's not scoring does sod all that I've ever noticed and certainly never causes panic . That doesn't mean I think Elvis is the answer to our striker problem, I don't and have always said that this season his best hope is as a bench option.

Not because he's a tosser but because we really do need someone with quality. Like Fowler.

We've plenty of Fryatt replacements. I'd have all sorts ahead of him even Billy McKay and Ashley Chambers because those kids are quality. But we've no-one experienced who can put fear into defenders minds, no-one like Earnshaw who has to be specially catered for.

Your description of Hammond isn't true though Thracian. His pace is what upsets defenders, not a lot else. As for his passing, it doesn't have to be very good to be honest. Strikers invariably aren't known for their passing ability unless they are deep lying strikers who pick the ball up deep and create themselves.

I'll give it to Elvis that his pace will always be an asset to the team he plays for, but his shooting is dross and even you can't deny that. He might put defenders under pressure but that's his pace, not his desire to close balls down or to be aggressive with defenders. Because he isn't aggressive, he often sulks when things don't go his way.

[Thracian]

Your description of Hammond isn't true though Thracian. His pace is what upsets defenders, not a lot else. As for his passing, it doesn't have to be very good to be honest. Strikers invariably aren't known for their passing ability unless they are deep lying strikers who pick the ball up deep and create themselves.

I'll give it to Elvis that his pace will always be an asset to the team he plays for, but his shooting is dross and even you can't deny that. He might put defenders under pressure but that's his pace, not his desire to close balls down or to be aggressive with defenders. Because he isn't aggressive, he often sulks when things don't go his way.

It's fashionable to call his shooting but his goals per starts ratio is good enough.

He's already got one in two during pre-season and had a cracking right foot volley at Hinckley that would have been a goal but for a brilliant save.

Hammond's biggest handicap is that he looks clumsy. But when Hammond has a close range shot well saved it's a glaring miss. When Fryatt does the same it is virtually overlooked.

I'm not thinking of last night but examples at the Kop End last season.

[Manwell Pablo]

It's fashionable to call his shooting but his goals per starts ratio is good enough.

He's already got one in two during pre-season and had a cracking right foot volley at Hinckley that would have been a goal but for a brilliant save.

Hammond's biggest handicap is that he looks clumsy. But when Hammond has a close range shot well saved it's a glaring miss. When Fryatt does the same it is virtually overlooked.

I'm not thinking of last night but examples at the Kop End last season.

WHAT?

[Ric Flair]

It's fashionable to call his shooting but his goals per starts ratio is good enough.

He's already got one in two during pre-season and had a cracking right foot volley at Hinckley that would have been a goal but for a brilliant save.

Hammond's biggest handicap is that he looks clumsy. But when Hammond has a close range shot well saved it's a glaring miss. When Fryatt does the same it is virtually overlooked.

I'm not thinking of last night but examples at the Kop End last season.

Oh. My. Word

[Fez of Mahrez]

It's fashionable to call his shooting but his goals per starts ratio is good enough.

He's already got one in two during pre-season and had a cracking right foot volley at Hinckley that would have been a goal but for a brilliant save.

Hammond's biggest handicap is that he looks clumsy. But when Hammond has a close range shot well saved it's a glaring miss. When Fryatt does the same it is virtually overlooked.

I'm not thinking of last night but examples at the Kop End last season.

Hammond's shooting is appalling.

"His goals per starts ratio is good enough"??!?!?! No, it's not. It's incredibly bad. And try to defend that statement without mentioning Fryatt.

[Geo V]

Thats it. I am convinced that Thracian is boning Elvis mum. Its the only logical explanation.

[Manwell Pablo]

Hammond's shooting is appalling.

"His goals per starts ratio is good enough"??!?!?! No, it's not. It's incredibly bad. And try to defend that statement without mentioning Fryatt.

As if . Thracians whole arguement about Hammond is based around Fryatts form last season.

[Thracian]

Ten goals in 38 starts all told I believe - one in 3.8. Compares well enough with all our regular strikers including Hume, MDV and you know who and his ratio was better than most last season.

[Milky]

Played 110 (53 of them as sub), 12 goals. That must be one of the worst striker records of all time.

[Milky]

Ten goals in 38 starts all told I believe - one in 3.8. Compares well enough with all our regular strikers including Hume, MDV and you know who and his ratio was better than most last season.

So your not counting the 33 sub appearances then.

[Manwell Pablo]

So your not counting the 33 sub appearances then.

Don't be silly, that would stating the actual facts not maniuplating them to suit the cause.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Ten goals in 38 starts all told I believe - one in 3.8. Compares well enough with all our regular strikers including Hume, MDV and you know who and his ratio was better than most last season.

4 of them were after coming on as sub, so actually he's scored 6 goals in 38 starts.

[mancunianfox]

I think the important thing to remember is that Fryatt is only 21 and is likely to improve with experience. Hammond isn't really going to improve much over the next few years and is only going to loose his pace - his only really asset. I hope we give Fryatt another chance this season. I mean how long did it take Cureton to come good?

[Thracian]

So your not counting the 33 sub appearances then.

I said "starts" from the outset.

And, without going to all the trouble of counting minutes on the pitch, why not?.

Why count sub appearances, like Elvis coming on for 10 minutes at Birmingham and saving an almost lost cause.

He might have got a hat-trick had he started and the same, obviously, applies to everyone else.

Besides do you really think I want to doctor the stats because I've some ulterior motive for us fielding our worst strikers instead of our best?

If you believe that you really don't know me.

[Manwell Pablo]

I said "starts" from the outset.

And, without going to all the trouble of counting minutes on the pitch, why not?.

Why count sub appearances, like Elvis coming on for 10 minutes at Birmingham and saving an almost lost cause.

He might have got a hat-trick had he started and the same, obviously, applies to everyone else.

Besides do you really think I want to doctor the stats because I've some ulterior motive for us fielding our worst strikers instead of our best?

If you believe that you really don't know me.

No Thracian you never Doctor stats. Ever.

[Geo V]

I said "starts" from the outset.

And, without going to all the trouble of counting minutes on the pitch, why not?.

Why count sub appearances, like Elvis coming on for 10 minutes at Birmingham and saving an almost lost cause.

He might have got a hat-trick had he started and the same, obviously, applies to everyone else.

Besides do you really think I want to doctor the stats because I've some ulterior motive for us fielding our worst strikers instead of our best?

If you believe that you really don't know me.

:frusty:

[Fez of Mahrez]

I said "starts" from the outset.

And, without going to all the trouble of counting minutes on the pitch, why not?.

Why count sub appearances, like Elvis coming on for 10 minutes at Birmingham and saving an almost lost cause.

He might have got a hat-trick had he started and the same, obviously, applies to everyone else.

Besides do you really think I want to doctor the stats because I've some ulterior motive for us fielding our worst strikers instead of our best?

If you believe that you really don't know me.

:laugh: Yeah. :laugh:

10 goals in 38 starts sounds almost vaguely half-decent, but 6 goals in 38 starts doesn't, which is what the fact actually is. Then another 4 goals in 25-odd sub appearances.

For someone who is so obsessed with teams scoring goals, you don't half defend one of the worst strikers I've ever known as far as goalscoring is concerned.

This is nothing to do with Fryatt. Nothing to do with de Vries or even Hume. You said his goals-to-starts ratio is "good enough". Good enough for what? Good enough for you to compare him with Fryatt, yes. Good enough for Martin Allen, Milan Mandaric and every other Leicester fan? No. Because that's how we should be measuring him now, not living in last season.

[teblin]

Hammond is 27 scored 12 goals in his career and is a striker. Crap end of!!!

[Daggers]

I'm off to sea to plunder some goals - who's with me?

[Manwell Pablo]

:laugh: Yeah. :laugh:

10 goals in 38 starts sounds almost vaguely half-decent, but 6 goals in 38 starts doesn't, which is what the fact actually is. Then another 4 goals in 25-odd sub appearances.

For someone who is so obsessed with teams scoring goals, you don't half defend one of the worst strikers I've ever known as far as goalscoring is concerned.

This is nothing to do with Fryatt. Nothing to do with de Vries or even Hume. You said his goals-to-starts ratio is "good enough". Good enough for what? Good enough for you to compare him with Fryatt, yes. Good enough for Martin Allen, Milan Mandaric and every other Leicester fan? No. Because that's how we should be measuring him now, not living in last season.

The only reason he can even compare him with Fryatt is Hammond (quite unbelivable) had the best season of his career last year in scoreing all of six goals and Fraytt had by far the worst.

Hopefully we'll see that change.

[Milky]

Hammond is 27 scored 12 goals in his career and is a striker. Crap end of!!!

He's good at winning free kicks mind, great at falling over.

[mancunianfox]

This is nothing to do with Fryatt. Nothing to do with de Vries or even Hume. You said his goals-to-starts ratio is "good enough". Good enough for what? Good enough for you to compare him with Fryatt, yes. Good enough for Martin Allen, Milan Mandaric and every other Leicester fan? No. Because that's how we should be measuring him now, not living in last season.

Exactly. If we want to score the amount of goals Thracian thinks we need to get promoted a large amount of them have to come from the strikers. Goals from midfielders or defenders are not going to get that tally if our strikers are only scoring once every six games.

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

If Hammond were a body part he'd be the appendix, wired up to the hole of a mans anus

[STUHILL]

There is no debate for me where Hammond is concerned, he simply isn't good enough, never will be! He needs to be playing in League 1 or 2 or perhaps even in Scotland. As for Fryatt leaving, well i would be disapointed but much of that would depend on who we would get in replacement. If we sold Fryatt for 1.5million and got Helguson and McLeod in, then I wouldn't be too bothered. I think Fryatt could definately become a good player but we can't wait on him too long. If he had another relatively poor season with us then we we would be very hard pushed even to get 500k next year. At the moment though with the strikers we've got, him and Hume are the only ones I see doing anything this year, Cort will prove to be a massive disapointment and spend much of his time on the bench. I wouldnt dream of starting him ever. I might be jumping the gun but I just cant see him being any better than a bench player or in the treatment room. Realistically I think we need a very strong striker to play alongside Hume with Fryatt playing as our 3rd choice unless he can really step it up!