STUHILL Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 I'm not quite sure why people are so 'distraught' about possibility of Fryatt going. I have always had faith in him and still think he will do well at somepoint but come-on, a world beater he ain't! If this story is true, we are getting a striker who Brum fans don't want to lose and who did well last year despite his lack of time on the pitch. With Mcleod we are getting a pacey, young striker who also has huge potential. Allen has worked with them both and I for one think Martin knows his stuff so far. He is building a new team and possibly a style of play, and if Fryatt doesn't fit in to that then 1.2million is very reasonable I think.
Ric Flair Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Neither of you know the price, i'd agree 2m is excessive but Ric said anything over 750k!! In todays climate he is worth more than that end of story. If we turned down 900k for Fryatt who scored nowhere near what he did last year. Danny Webber is rumoured to be available for £750,000. Now if that's the sort of price he's worth, then Campbell is certainly worth no more than that. Webber has consistently scored goals at this level and a few in the Prem. Campbell is a journeymen who's level is about League One, possibly Championship if he pushed himsen. So whatever the price he is, he's not good enough to get us out of this division or ply his trade in the Premiership. He's younger! and has a better track record than Dudley who had a slight flurry in League one, no prem goals and a modest amount this year!I would be distraught if we sold Fryatt and bought Campbell and McLeod in. Absloutley distraught. I would be too. I'm astounded both Mandaric and Allen can't come up with better strikers as targets than Campbell and McLeod. Signing 2 players from your previous clubs for big money, smacks of desperation to me. And before anyone throws me the line ' How do you know Mandaric & Allen haven't enquired about other strikers ' or ' name me some good strikers for less than £2 million ' i'm not buying that at all. Mandaric has contacts all over the world, there are better strikers than these two who we could get for less than what we'll have to pay for them.
Master Fox Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Master Fox don't ever change your avatar I've always liked the look of Dale Winton.
Flexx Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 3) Fryatt will improve next season you watch May well improve but is it worth keeping him? If he doesn't improve then I doubt we will ever get that kind of money again for him, but then what if he moves and ends up banging the goals in. Its tricky Oh and La Coruna is spelt wrong below your avatar
Bluefoxtim Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 At the end of the day, a quality striker who scores a lot of goals is not going to be allowed to leave his current club for a small fee because finding quality strikers is probably the most difficult thing. You can of course get lucky and find someone like Kevin Doyle. We turned down a 950k bid for Fryatt which tells you something. We bought him for 750k and last season he did absolutely bugger all.
Ric Flair Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 So?Really? Fryatt for leicester in championship 10 goals in 53 apps' (41 starts, 12 sub). Campbell for Brum in championship 12 goals in 50 apps' (24 starts, 26sub) Both fairly crap scoring records at this level and to think we'll have paid the best part of £2.5 million for the pair of them. Stunning.
Babylon Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Danny Webber is rumoured to be available for £750,000. Now if that's the sort of price he's worth, then Campbell is certainly worth no more than that. Webber has consistently scored goals at this level and a few in the Prem. Campbell is a journeymen who's level is about League One, possibly Championship if he pushed himsen. So whatever the price he is, he's not good enough to get us out of this division or ply his trade in the Premiership.I would be too. I'm astounded both Mandaric and Allen can't come up with better strikers as targets than Campbell and McLeod. Signing 2 players from your previous clubs for big money, smacks of desperation to me. And before anyone throws me the line ' How do you know Mandaric & Allen haven't enquired about other strikers ' or ' name me some good strikers for less than £2 million ' i'm not buying that at all. Mandaric has contacts all over the world, there are better strikers than these two who we could get for less than what we'll have to pay for them. So it's rumoured webber is available for that and rumoured we are paying 2m and there are allegedly better players available for less... but we don't know who they are. And the argument for Fryatt is that people believe he will do better this year. Personally that's not much of an argument.
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 So?Really? Fryatt for leicester in championship 10 goals in 53 apps' (41 starts, 12 sub). Campbell for Brum in championship 12 goals in 50 apps' (24 starts, 26sub) So? Really? Did you actually just say that? Don't make me take the stupid tone with you Babs you know the fact that he is 21 will push his value up compared to that of someone in their mid twenties. And gives him more time to improve And all I can say to that is Erf, thats not what I ment and you know it. Although that is alot closer than I expected. Goals per game in the league, averaged over whole careers= Fryatt 0.28 Campbell 0.23
Ric Flair Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 At the end of the day, a quality striker who scores a lot of goals is not going to be allowed to leave his current club for a small fee because finding quality strikers is probably the most difficult thing. You can of course get lucky and find someone like Kevin Doyle. We turned down a 950k bid for Fryatt which tells you something. We bought him for 750k and last season he did absolutely bugger all. We actually bougght him for £350,000 and have since paid a small fee for add on's. We're likely to have to pay Walsall some more when we sell him. You raise a good point about teams not letting strikers leave who have scored a lot of goals, but Campbell didn't score ' lot's of goals at Birmingham ' he scored a few here and there and as he's now surplus to requirements at Birmingham, they should count themselves lucky if they get any more than what they paid for him.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 16 July 2007 Author Posted 16 July 2007 Fryatt has done no more at this level than DJ, and Izale had a similar goalscoring record as Fryatt in League One. Fair enough if people rate Fryatt for whatever reason then you're perfectly entitled to want to keep him but you can't suggest that he is some goal machine compared with Izale or DJ. I think people like Fryatt's first touch and were impressed with a couple of his finishes over the 18 months he's been with us and it's blinded them to the fact that a few nice touches are all well and good in this league but Elvis had more effect than Fryatt last season. Pace matters.
Daggers Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 I'm going to have to flog the dead horse... Fryatt has done no more at this level than DJ, and Izale had a similar goalscoring record as Fryatt in League One.Fair enough if people rate Fryatt for whatever reason then you're perfectly entitled to want to keep him but you can't suggest that he is some goal machine compared with Izale or DJ.I think people like Fryatt's first touch and were impressed with a couple of his finishes over the 18 months he's been with us and it's blinded them to the fact that a few nice touches are all well and good in this league but Elvis had more effect than Fryatt last season. Pace matters. Word.
Ric Flair Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 So it's rumoured webber is available for that and rumoured we are paying 2m and there are allegedly better players available for less... but we don't know who they are.And the argument for Fryatt is that people believe he will do better this year. Personally that's not much of an argument. You know fine well that if we sign Campbell it will be for well over a million, we've already had bids turned down for him and they are likely to be in and around the million region. It's been quoted in the papers and although they aren't always true, they know more than we do. If you want me to find a list of strikers better than Campbell that have gone for less money, then let me know. I can also do a dossier of better players than Campbell who we could sign for less, I suppose that will be classed as in my opinion but I can't offer anything more than that. The bottom line is, DJ Campbell is not worth anything more than £750,000 even in today's market. We've been ripped off time and time again over the years, especially for strikers and it pains me to see it likely to happen again.... and again!!!
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Fryatt has done no more at this level than DJ, and Izale had a similar goalscoring record as Fryatt in League One.Fair enough if people rate Fryatt for whatever reason then you're perfectly entitled to want to keep him but you can't suggest that he is some goal machine compared with Izale or DJ. I think people like Fryatt's first touch and were impressed with a couple of his finishes over the 18 months he's been with us and it's blinded them to the fact that a few nice touches are all well and good in this league but Elvis had more effect than Fryatt last season. Pace matters. Similar goal scoreing record? Fryatt hit 20 in half a season in league one and half a season in at this level Izale's not managed more than 17 in a entire season outside of League Two.
Ric Flair Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Similar goal scoreing record? Fryatt hit 20 in half a season in league one and half a season in at this level Izale's not managed more than 17 in a entire season outside of League Two. Word.
Stevosevic Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Similar goal scoreing record? Fryatt hit 20 in half a season in league one and half a season in at this level Izale's not managed more than 17 in a entire season outside of League Two. Dont think he quite did that? We bought him having scored 14 and he finished the season with twenty.
STUHILL Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 You know fine well that if we sign Campbell it will be for well over a million, we've already had bids turned down for him and they are likely to be in and around the million region. It's been quoted in the papers and although they aren't always true, they know more than we do.If you want me to find a list of strikers better than Campbell that have gone for less money, then let me know. I can also do a dossier of better players than Campbell who we could sign for less, I suppose that will be classed as in my opinion but I can't offer anything more than that. The bottom line is, DJ Campbell is not worth anything more than £750,000 even in today's market. We've been ripped off time and time again over the years, especially for strikers and it pains me to see it likely to happen again.... and again!!! Yes please, i want the dossier...........
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Dont think he quite did that? We bought him having scored 14 and he finished the season with twenty. Yes, didn't I say that if you read it carefully.
Babylon Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 So? Really? Did you actually just say that? Don't make me take the stupid tone with you Babs you know the fact that he is 21 will push his value up compared to that of someone in their mid twenties. And gives him more time to improve. Well it only counts for anything if he actually improves and so far he has only got worse. So it counts for nothing, how long do you give him to prove it? How many more excuses do people need to make about his poor performances? So far the player I see improving is DJ.
David Villa Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 I think DJ Campbell would be a good signing because he is quick, stong and a good finisher. He just didnt get the chance at Birmingham because they had so many stikers there.
Toby or not Toby Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 You know fine well that if we sign Campbell it will be for well over a million, we've already had bids turned down for him and they are likely to be in and around the million region. It's been quoted in the papers and although they aren't always true, they know more than we do.If you want me to find a list of strikers better than Campbell that have gone for less money, then let me know. I can also do a dossier of better players than Campbell who we could sign for less, I suppose that will be classed as in my opinion but I can't offer anything more than that. The bottom line is, DJ Campbell is not worth anything more than £750,000 even in today's market. We've been ripped off time and time again over the years, especially for strikers and it pains me to see it likely to happen again.... and again!!! Saganowski was 75ok, still dissapointed we didn't sign him
Babylon Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Fryatt has done no more at this level than DJ, and Izale had a similar goalscoring record as Fryatt in League One.Fair enough if people rate Fryatt for whatever reason then you're perfectly entitled to want to keep him but you can't suggest that he is some goal machine compared with Izale or DJ. I think people like Fryatt's first touch and were impressed with a couple of his finishes over the 18 months he's been with us and it's blinded them to the fact that a few nice touches are all well and good in this league but Elvis had more effect than Fryatt last season. Pace matters.
Flexx Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 I don't think he's worth 2 Mill but I wouldn't mind paying around the 1.5 mark. He's a nippy little player and isn't bad at finishing, e'is probably quicker than Elvis but can finish. He's definitely worth more than 750K. Brum payed Brentford 500K for him last year, and you always get players in League 1 at cut down prices. Him and McLeod up front with Hume just behind next year would rip this league apart.
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Well it only counts for anything if he actually improves and so far he has only got worse. So it counts for nothing, how long do you give him to prove it? How many more excuses do people need to make about his poor performances?So far the player I see improving is DJ. Im not making excuses for him, I've gone through his goal scoreing record with you I don't remember once making an excuse for last season. I'm giving you reasons not to sell him not excusing his poor return last season. I've always said one good season does not make a good player, and vise versa one bad season does not make a bad player. I think he will turn it around, he's a good footballer and he can finish.
Stevosevic Posted 16 July 2007 Posted 16 July 2007 Yes, didn't I say that if you read it carefully. Woops, yes, my bad.
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