Allardyce and Newcastle Part Company

[The Stig]

Since Sir Bobby Robson left Newcastle have gone into freefall. Neither Souness or Roder had what it takes to take the club to where they wanted to be. They were both poor managerial appointments, and because of that Newcastle as a club was severely damaged. They were previously a club who were alwyas challenging for Europe, pushing to break into the top 4, but they've since became a mid-table Premierhsip club. Newcastle's owners seem to think, that beacause they WERE a top of the table club, they should be able to slip back into that position easily. They are completly wrong. Once a club has taken the battering Newcastle has had, it takes a lot of re-building to get them back to where they want to be. This re-building needs to consist of patience (which they clearly haven't got, neither from the board or the ever impatient fans) stability (which again they haven't got) and a good manager. For the first time in years, they had a good manager, one who with time could have seen them challenging for Europe again. But they've sacked him, and what will this acheive. Nothing. A new man will come in, and even if it is a good manager such as Martin Jol, it will still take time, which at Newcastle no one will ever get. Yes they're a big club, but as I've said with Leicester, that does't matter a jot, they don't deserve to be up thrre challenging for Europe, and I'm pretty sure that for the considerable future at least, they won't be.

[lildave3]

Since Sir Bobby Robson left Newcastle have gone into freefall. Neither Souness or Roder had what it takes to take the club to where they wanted to be. They were both poor managerial appointments, and because of that Newcastle as a club was severely damaged. They were previously a club who were alwyas challenging for Europe, pushing to break into the top 4, but they've since became a mid-table Premierhsip club. Newcastle's owners seem to think, that beacause they WERE a top of the table club, they should be able to slip back into that position easily. They are completly wrong. Once a club has taken the battering Newcastle has had, it takes a lot of re-building to get them back to where they want to be. This re-building needs to consist of patience (which they clearly haven't got, neither from the board or the ever impatient fans) stability (which again they haven't got) and a good manager. For the first time in years, they had a good manager, one who with time could have seen them challenging for Europe again. But they've sacked him, and what will this acheive. Nothing. A new man will come in, and even if it is a good manager such as Martin Jol, it will still take time, which at Newcastle no one will ever get. Yes they're a big club, but as I've said with Leicester, that does't matter a jot, they don't deserve to be up thrre challenging for Europe, and I'm pretty sure that for the considerable future at least, they won't be.

Under Robson they were part of the big 4. Although it was more a big 2, then a smaller but still big other 2.

[Blue Bob]

What a stupid decision. I think Allardyce is a good manager, he did exceptionally well at Bolton.

Now they are calling for Shearer to be manager. How daft. Sack a manager with years of experience and bring in someone who has never managed in his life .... does he even have his coaching badges?

Just because he was an excellent goalscorer doesnt mean he will be a good manager, look at Ian Rush.

[lildave3]

Not Shearer, not foreign and probably employed. Interesting.

Meanwhile, a ludicrous e-mail has just been read out on ssn: 'I'm glad Big Sam has gone, us Newcastle fans deserve to be in the top 4. I think Ashley should take the job himself, with Keegan or Gazza as his number 2.'

(I think the bolded bit may have been tongue in cheek but who knows.)

[Simi]

Ince.

[Hugo Sanchez]

Alan Shearer is just another Steve Walsh in my opinion. Yea he Newcastle till he dies and yes he is a goal scoring legend but that don't make you a great manager. Same with Walsh, who thinks having passion makes you a great manager Newcastle will never get it right. Since Keegan made them into a really good team back in the 90's they think should be up there every season or playing champions league football. Who they gonna get now then ? Jol ? Shearer ? They are not gonna bring instant glory.

[Staf]

Cant believe Newcastle have sacked Big Sam i really thought they were going to give him more time. I really hope that Shearer doesent take charge surely he isnt good enough to manage Newcastle when he hasnt even got his managing badges

[The Stig]

Under Robson they were part of the big 4. Although it was more a big 2, then a smaller but still big other 2.

I stand corrected

[l444ry]

Funny betting patterns and early money for Harry Redknapp on Betfair. Very suspicious!!!

[Samilktray]

Martin Allen.

[lildave3]

Funny betting patterns and early money for Harry Redknapp on Betfair. Very suspicious!!!

Ant and Dec are 500/1. That's where my money's going.

[l444ry]

Ant and Dec are 500/1. That's where my money's going.

Put it into the Find Madeleine fund where it can be wasted properly.

[Thracian]

It seems symptomatic of our time - this need for everything to happen yesterday - but I never saw Allardyce as the "spiritual" manager for Newcastle.

Realistic or not, Newcastle fans seem to want someone who'll give them larger-than-life football. A mark11 Kevin Keegan if you like.

Dying breed though.

[lildave3]

It seems symptomatic of our time - this need for everything to happen yesterday - but I never saw Allardyce as the "spiritual" manager for Newcastle.

Realistic or not, Newcastle fans seem to want someone who'll give them larger-than-life football. A mark11 Kevin Keegan if you like.

Dying breed though.

I'll give them larger than life football.

But will they employ me? Will they bollocks.

[Chairman of the Bored]

A laughable decision. Would love to see them utterly collpase and get relegated. Won't happen but I can dream.

[lookwhaticando]

I want Ranieri.

Sack the board.

Or Klinnsmann. Hire him, not sack him. Obviously.

Mourinho.

I wonder if Mourihno could be tempted... it's one of the biggest jobs in Europe. Impossible is nothing compared to the Newcastle job.

[Raj]

I think The Geordies will regret this decision.

Allardyce would have done well in my opinion.

However newcastle are a big a joke club as ours!!!!

[Daggers]

Meretricious players, playing well within in their comfort zones, hold sway over our game. The players and their pimps are destroying the sport.

The only decent thing about this is that another club are looking more stupid than us...until they steal our manager.

[Manwell Pablo]

I think I'm probably one of the few who agree with Newcastle's decision.

The current chairman did not employ Allardyce, he was there when he took over. Now it's all very good saying, give Allardyce time to build his team and mold them, but if the current board do not like that direction, then they are right to get rid.

The Newcastle board and players have to ask, do we want to see our team become a better version of Bolton? Do we subscribe to that style of football and believe in the vision? If the answer is no, which it clearly is, then getting rid is the only option.

Thats the main point, Mike Ashley didn't appoint him Shepherd did. If you appoint a manager your inclined to give him time, if you don't and the manager in question is ****ing up as royally as Big Sam is, you can see why he's gone.

Having said that I think they will struggle to get anyone in who will turn that club into anything resembling trophy challengers within 3-4 years.

[Nationwider]

Thats the main point, Mike Ashley didn't appoint him Shepherd did. If you appoint a manager your inclined to give him time, if you don't and the manager in question is ****ing up as royally as Big Sam is, you can see why he's gone.

Having said that I think they will struggle to get anyone in who will turn that club into anything resembling trophy challengers within 3-4 years.

I think they are screwed. I can actually see them getting relegated within that period of time because their appeal to top players and managers must be at an all-time low. There are too many other upwardly mobile teams outside of the top four at the moment that are stealing their thunder. Spurs, Villa, Man City and Everton all have great club-level managers and varying amounts of cash to spend. Behind that lot, there's no chance of European football for the Mags. If their next appointment isn't acceptable to the fans, expect them to lose 10,000 season ticket holders next season.

Ashley just comes across as a fat hick with too much money and no class. He's ruthless in the company boardroom, but its a proven fact that businessmen don't win football matches or trophies, great managers and players do... and Newcastle have neither of these. A chairman who stands in the away end getting all pally with the fat barcodes is hardly going to endear him to prospective managers either.

I can't see Harry going to Newcastle. I'm not sure even making him the country's highest paid manager (surely what Ashley would have to do?) would tempt him. Harry has never been interested in moving away from the south coast. Realistically, his next destination would be either West Ham or Spurs if he ever has the opportunity (and that's unlikely).

Having said that, I was wrong about Holloway moving north, so you never know!

[Fez of Mahrez]

I think it's a nonsense decision personally. They don't deserve to be any higher than where they are in the league and they need some stability.

[Manwell Pablo]

I think it's a nonsense decision personally. They don't deserve to be any higher than where they are in the league and they need some stability.

I don't think it's a particularly bright move but the teams not performing, he's not winning games, the fans want him gone, he's not Ashley man in the first place what can you do, as everyone’s saying it did have an air of inevitability about it.

[James.]

I don't think it's a particularly bright move but the teams not performing, he's not winning games, the fans want him gone, he's not Ashley man in the first place what can you do, as everyone’s saying it did have an air of inevitability about it.

Yeah because Newcastle have already got through about 500 managers in the last 10 years. That whole club needs sorting out and the fans need to have some patience. I think Allardyce would have done a good job, GIVEN TIME. That's modern football for you and moee specifically that's Newcastle supporters for you - they have a Real Madrid complex, the divine right to witness amazing flowing football. Except Newcastle have won f**k all for decades and will carry on like that if they keep sacking managers after 2 hours in the job.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I don't think it's a particularly bright move but the teams not performing, he's not winning games, the fans want him gone, he's not Ashley man in the first place what can you do, as everyone’s saying it did have an air of inevitability about it.

They're 11th though. What do they expect? It's just the current climate of expectation that annoys me. Not everyone can win every game. Arsenal and Manchester United could easily have got rid of their managers at various points in the past but have stuck with them and have reaped the rewards. They have been major forces in the 1990s and 2000s under these managers but it wasn't always so. How do you find out whether Allardyce is capable of the same sort of progress he made at Bolton if you sack him after half a season when the team is in a fairly reasonable league position? And what do the fans know? They seem to want Shearer FFS. It's ridiculous and maybe this frustration reflects how I feel about our situation over the last few years as well.

[davieG]

I get the feeling he was happy to go. A decent pay-off, looking more like the innocent party than a failure. Should be able to pick up a decent job by the summer.