Answers from Peter Jones

[lcfc_jme]

Obviously bitterly disappointed with the response from PJ this time around considering how receptive he was last time we approached him. Quite insulted that he took two weeks to come up with something that would have taken him no more than 3 minutes to write if he was playing Football Manager. Debating whether or not to take up his offer of a meeting at the moment, it'd be beneficial on one hand as he wouldn't be able to bullshit his way out of and dismiss things so easily if a meeting took place, but on the other hand it appears as though his mind is made up before and discussions and compromising has taken place, rendering anything we say / effort we go to completely and utterly pointless.

What I find most strange though is the fact that the club really want to change things (or so they claim), and there has been positive noises about some points in that email prior to us sending it, yet it was completely shot down when it was sent. Bizarre.

[Raj]

Obviously bitterly disappointed with the response from PJ this time around considering how receptive he was last time we approached him. Quite insulted that he took two weeks to come up with something that would have taken him no more than 3 minutes to write if he was playing Football Manager. Debating whether or not to take up his offer of a meeting at the moment, it'd be beneficial on one hand as he wouldn't be able to bullshit his way out of and dismiss things so easily if a meeting took place, but on the other hand it appears as though his mind is made up before and discussions and compromising has taken place, rendering anything we say / effort we go to completely and utterly pointless.

What I find most strange though is the fact that the club really want to change things (or so they claim), and there has been positive noises about some points in that email prior to us sending it, yet it was completely shot down when it was sent. Bizarre.

J...im sure PJ is the just the messenger in all this.

As you probs know,he doesnt make the decisions and most is beyond his control when it comes to such factors as Standing,moving areas of the ground etc...

And like i said B4 things like music are just cosmetic..for every 1 person who hates it, 1 will like it.

i think you should defo take up his offer for a meeting but ensure other members from the club are present too ie Health And safety Manager(Mr Barkley!)Good Luck

[Fox You Forest]

they don't need to pay anything to let us stand, most people would just stand in front of their seat, which they would probably use during half time so they don't need to be removed

I dont think it's as straight forward as that.

[Foxes_Trust]

Our comments/advice based on the feedback we have had on topics from members/fans and the club in the past.

a) Certainly take up the offer of the meeting & much like the e-mail you sent prepare very well for it, planning who is taking up which point (We are also happy to attend this meeting if you want us to, this may be beneficial in terms of utilising info we have had previously the benefit of which may only crop up as the discussions progress, anyway let us know if you want someone from the FT there)

On the topics raised

b) Music

- a bit like Raj has said from his experience from the FCC, the club will never satisfy every fan on this one & so will also be criticised. It has previously been perceived that the older age of the fan base would prefer no music ("like it was in my day", while the younger ones like it "grown up with it" - so if the arguement for switching off the music is coming from younger more vocal fans, it is a new angle to argue for this.

- final thought, the club has experimented with loads of different tracks across the last few years, however it has never experimented with silence.

c) Kop/Family Swap

- from feedback from our members, those sitting in the Kop mainly don't want to swap, the sun shining in their eyes being one of the main factors. However we would agree with Lisa, this was only a small number of those that would be affected who have fed this back, so it would need to be a specific survey of all those that would be affected to get an accurate picture.

d) Age Limit in the Kop

- we think the club got this wrong a few years back & should not have offered free U8 tickets in every stand, it's harder to withdraw now, but they could stop issuing new ST's & it would naturally phase out within a few seasons.

e) Safe Standing

- the club is more supportive than many other clubs & had been criticised by the national bodies for being so. The club do attend meetings on the subject as Peter described & have an open ear to any new evidence to support it's introduction

- In reality it's political pressure that is needed, by lobbying fans to individually lobby their own MP's to support the review of Safe Standing & encouraging to look at the facts behind the relative safety & also to be reminded of the courses of the issues which resulted in the ban in the first place.

- Also need to be clear if MM is willing to open his cheque book to fund any ground alterations, so you should look for evidence that crowd numbers would increase if it was re-introduced, because that would be the clubs main driver for doing it

Agree with Raj about having other LCFC staff present, you will need SUSD's best evidence to contra the H & S arguements, which is why we invited SUSD to attend the open meeting on this topic a couple of years ago & that worked quite well

[lcfc_jme]

J...im sure PJ is the just the messenger in all this.

As you probs know,he doesnt make the decisions and most is beyond his control when it comes to such factors as Standing,moving areas of the ground etc...

And like i said B4 things like music are just cosmetic..for every 1 person who hates it, 1 will like it.

i think you should defo take up his offer for a meeting but ensure other members from the club are present too ie Health And safety Manager(Mr Barkley!)Good Luck

Raj, I appreciate that PJ is limited in his powers and what he can do at the club, and so I didn't expect him to agree to give us everything we demanded. I'm just agitated by the fact that he didn't dignify us with anything like an acceptable response. The email he sent in reply basically said to me "well, I skimmed through what you wrote but to be quite honest, I couldn't really care less". Now, I wouldn't have minded if he'd have said what he did but the response looked as though it'd had some effort or sense of care in it, because I can understand his angle. It's just the fact he seemed to shrug everything off rather abruptly which pissed me off.

As for meeting figures at the club, I wouldn't mind that as I've done it before. I don't want to meet with Mr Kevin Barkley though. Ever.

Thanks

[Jimmy]

I dont think it's as straight forward as that.

why isn't it, all they need to do is not tell us to sit down

[The Reverend]

why isn't it, all they need to do is not tell us to sit down

If only.

[Jimmy]

If only.

they could even BS the authorities and say they send letters and emails out to STH's to reminded them of the regulations

[Fox You Forest]

they could even BS the authorities and say they send letters and emails out to STH's to reminded them of the regulations

I cant compete with that.

[Raj]

Raj, I appreciate that PJ is limited in his powers and what he can do at the club, and so I didn't expect him to agree to give us everything we demanded. I'm just agitated by the fact that he didn't dignify us with anything like an acceptable response. The email he sent in reply basically said to me "well, I skimmed through what you wrote but to be quite honest, I couldn't really care less". Now, I wouldn't have minded if he'd have said what he did but the response looked as though it'd had some effort or sense of care in it, because I can understand his angle. It's just the fact he seemed to shrug everything off rather abruptly which pissed me off.

As for meeting figures at the club, I wouldn't mind that as I've done it before. I don't want to meet with Mr Kevin Barkley though. Ever.

Thanks

I can understand you being fcuked off with the reply as it may seem very direct and straight to the point.

However ive had many a responses from PJ (after writing a fcuking essayaswell!!!) and most are just Cheers Raj.

So dont be down beat by the response as its just his way.

You must keep dialogue with the Club and the best way is with a meeting.

[davieG]

c) Kop/Family Swap

- from feedback from our members, those sitting in the Kop mainly don't want to swap, the sun shining in their eyes being one of the main factors. However we would agree with Lisa, this was only a small number of those that would be affected who have fed this back, so it would need to be a specific survey of all those that would be affected to get an accurate picture.

This answer really pisses me off and demonstrates quite clearly that both the club and the FTrust are not listening.

How many times does it have to said it's not a case of swapping it's a case of moving the family stand to somewhere esle and allowing those that want to move to the North Stand. People wouldn't have to move from the Kop if the didn't want to. The only people that would have to consider moving would be family stand attendee and there so few them you could squeeze them in anywhere. It's not as if there aren't kids all over the stadium anyway.

[davieG]

I can understand you being fcuked off with the reply as it may seem very direct and straight to the point.

However ive had many a responses from PJ (after writing a fcuking essayaswell!!!) and most are just Cheers Raj.

So dont be down beat by the response as its just his way.

You must keep dialogue with the Club and the best way is with a meeting.

It wasn't direct and straight to point it was a blatent attempt to deflect them away, with a token come and meet me stuck on the end.

[Raj]

It wasn't direct and straight to point it was a blatent attempt to deflect them away, with a token come and meet me stuck on the end.

It may have been a token gesture but a gesture that they should accept.

To be fair to Jones', he did say he would discuss it in more detail with them when they meet.

There's only so much he may want to divulge in an email which he may know would find itself on a messageboard!!!

[SamL]

we do actually it's just you lot don't seem interested in learning them, the same way we all did, by listening to them then actually joining in instead of just singing over everyone else

To be honest mate, think you've got the wrong people. I've hardly missed an away game over the last 7 years (Where you're more likely to learn the songs) so don't tell me I can't be bothered to learn the songs because other people will tell you otherwise.

Where do you even sit? I sit back row so why don't you come up to the back and we can all sing together?

[James.]

It may have been a token gesture but a gesture that they should accept.

To be fair to Jones', he did say he would discuss it in more detail with them when they meet.

There's only so much he may want to divulge in an email which he may know would find itself on a messageboard!!!

Definitely. I'm sick of people rubbishing what he said. Yes it's pretty bloody clear that it wasn't the e mail people WANTED to see but that was never going to happen. He is in a position of responsibility where he needs to take into account the views of a variety of different stakeholders, not just a small group of fans who have a particular view on how to improve things.

He has offered the meeting which I understand you will accept. The outcome of this meeting will be far more open to effetive debate than this e mail and until that meeting people should lay off the immediate conclusions.

[Dr The Singh]

Definitely. I'm sick of people rubbishing what he said. Yes it's pretty bloody clear that it wasn't the e mail people WANTED to see but that was never going to happen. He is in a position of responsibility where he needs to take into account the views of a variety of different stakeholders, not just a small group of fans who have a particular view on how to improve things.

He has offered the meeting which I understand you will accept. The outcome of this meeting will be far more open to effetive debate than this e mail and until that meeting people should lay off the immediate conclusions.

I've had words with Peter Jones on an issue i've had, and to say he's a nice bloke is fine, but he's PR man, and good at it, it's his job to be nice. Don't expect 'honest' answers only answers from a guy who works for a company and will defend that company even though facts are against him\company!!

I find it quite amusing when someone can sit there with a straight face and defend the indefencible even though reality and facts are totally the opposite and his words of reassurance is about as uesful as the steam of my piss!!!

[Daggers]

Personally I shall never forget how they cynically pulled the rug out from under the N Blockers after first backing the idea, then partly taking credit for it, then withdrawing all support for it prior to the game where the Stewards went in ejecting people and creating an initimdating atmosphere in order to bring about it's ultimate failure.

<Barton Fox>

Maybe there are reasons held on CCTV for their pulling the plug?

</Barton Fox>

[Daggers]

It may have been a token gesture but a gesture that they should accept.

To be fair to Jones', he did say he would discuss it in more detail with them when they meet.

There's only so much he may want to divulge in an email which he may know would find itself on a messageboard!!!

You're not wrong.

And I would have thought that the issues they want to raise only carries any weight if they can demonstrably prove that more than three of them want it.

I'm all in favour of dropping th eshite music-but the majority of the crowd love a little dance-about every now and then so that isn't going to happen. The swapping of the kop has been discussed to death and (amazingly) is never going to happen and standing up at grounds will only be tollerated in sections where a large amount of atmosphere is generated ~ they are never going to sanction standing areas.

It is unfair to blame Jones for the fact that these things will never happen - it's his job to let you down gently.

[The People's Hero]

The inclusion of the bit about standing was a bit silly in my opinion. The club will be giving priority to making sure no sections get closed down so will clamp down on standing in any large numbers. To tie this in with the idea of moving the Kop makes no sense because you're linking the two where they cannot possibly be associated.

Indeed.

The original email was flawed and the suggestion of moving the Kop elsewhere is given less credence by it's association with the 'standing' debate.

[Geo V]

Peter Jones was the dude who gave me the Leicester shirt for the competition I am running on here and to be fair he said the same thing to me, lets have a meeting to discuss what we can do for the fans via this site. I declined due to my location and the fact that this forum isn't mine and I am just a member but like he said on the original email, why not set up a meeting to discuss?

I must admit I haven't read through all these threads on where to sit and the atmosphere because it bores me to death to think that it needs organization. Its almost embarrassing to be honest as I am from the school who instantly knew Penn 3 was where we sat at Filbo and the surrounding Penns and Double Decker above would all join in.

Why the hardcore of fans on here who apparently sing cant simply say where they will be sitting from herein and then almost force the kids to move away once the dads realize that its the "lads" section is beyond me. Why we fraff about and need the club to sort out an area doesn't make sense to me as its not like we sell out every game and we cant just find a spot in the stadium where the noise makers can all converge.

[Jimmy]

To be honest mate, think you've got the wrong people. I've hardly missed an away game over the last 7 years (Where you're more likely to learn the songs) so don't tell me I can't be bothered to learn the songs because other people will tell you otherwise.

Where do you even sit? I sit back row so why don't you come up to the back and we can all sing together?

I'm not talking to you specifically what I mean when I say "you" I mean the groups as a whole and as for where I sit I'm on BB

[Leicesterboi]

I think the very fact he replied should be applauded in this day and age. Many a time people write in whether it be to football clubs or to bands or what ever without response. What Peter Jones does for the club is admirable. I have been to small meetings with him on several occasions and he is as much as a fan as any of us. The main issue with most of our suggestions are health and Safety, so in a sense peter's hand are tied.

You cant expect things like the Kop changing being sorted overnight. Im sure like he says many fans are happy where they sit and dont wish to change to the family stand!

All in all Peter Jones is a very decent bloke and he deserves more credit than most of you are giving him. There's tens of Thousands of Leicester fans who have different views, like peter said...He cant please everybody!!

As Fans our main job is to get behind the team and the club, not pick fault with somebody putting 'ditto' as an answer, as im sure you appreciate he must have many more emails and letters to respond to.

[James.]

I think the very fact he replied should be applauded in this day and age. Many a time people write in whether it be to football clubs or to bands or what ever without response. What Peter Jones does for the club is admirable. I have been to small meetings with him on several occasions and he is as much as a fan as any of us. The main issue with most of our suggestions are health and Safety, so in a sense peter's hand are tied.

You cant expect things like the Kop changing being sorted overnight. Im sure like he says many fans are happy where they sit and dont wish to change to the family stand!

All in all Peter Jones is a very decent bloke and he deserves more credit than most of you are giving him. There's tens of Thousands of Leicester fans who have different views, like peter said...He cant please everybody!!

As Fans our main job is to get behind the team and the club, not pick fault with somebody putting 'ditto' as an answer, as im sure you appreciate he must have many more emails and letters to respond to.

Peter, so nice that you've joined Foxestalk.

[Foxes_Trust]

I can understand you being fcuked off with the reply as it may seem very direct and straight to the point.

However ive had many a responses from PJ (after writing a fcuking essayaswell!!!) and most are just Cheers Raj.....

So dont be down beat by the response as its just his way.

You must keep dialogue with the Club and the best way is with a meeting

It may have been a token gesture but a gesture that they should accept.

To be fair to Jones', he did say he would discuss it in more detail with them when they meet.

There's only so much he may want to divulge in an email which he may know would find itself on a messageboard!!!

Agree with Raj re PJ style & comment re copying on to message boards, various FT folk have e-mailed through the years with similar experience, he does always reply though (not the case with a number of others at LCFC that we could mention).

You would get a far more open verbal answer, hence why the meeting offer should be taken up

[Manwell Pablo]

Peter, so nice that you've joined Foxestalk.

a very suspicous post I have to say.

Ched your totally wasting your time with the swapping the kop idea, and as PJ said theres nothing he can do about standing until the health and safety laws are changed.

Ultimatley the club will do what is in it's best interests.