tartanowl Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 wtf are Bristol City doing loaning out Showumni ffs? They are supposed to be serious promotion candidates , their manager complains about a small squad and they let a relegation dodger have one of their better players. Better players? He is RUBBISH. 10 games he played for us and he did literally NOTHING. He is one of the worst strikers I have ever seen in blue and white stripes and I've had many years watching Wednesday and seen some right dross over the years. Despite being a big lad he can't head, he can't score, he's not exactly quick, and he has a first touch worse than mine. There is no way in the world he is even close to being a CCC player. Very poor footballer.
Thracian Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 As two of the loan players didn't even play a normal person (and others) would argue that it didn't infleunce the result.You just want them deducted points so we stay up. They'll get fined and rightly so. I doubt that's the case at all. A team comprises its entire squad and that squad provides their choice of options during the game. As I understand it five loan players are allowed in a squad, not six. Fourteen clubs are allowed in a golf bag, not 15, although a golfer can only use one club at a time and may choose from any 14 clubs he likes. If the rules were broken at golf the outcome would be simple. The player would be disqualified from the competition, no ifs, no buts, no exceptions. There is no way you'd be allowed to keep your score. Perhaps that's why the rules are respected by everyone. Wednesday scored one goal and netted one point from the fixture concerned. No way should they be allowed to keep it. That it's Sheffield Wednesday doesn't matter. If Leicester ever find themselvews in the same situation they should lose the points. What relevence does a fine have and in what way is it a deterrent?
Bryn Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 I can see why people would see the point deduction being very harsh, it certainly would be, but I can also see that what's the point in the rule existing if it's not going to be properly enforced?
RowlattsFox Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 If a fine is the only punishment, some teams will now break the rule on purpose and take the fine.
tartanowl Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 I doubt that's the case at all.A team comprises its entire squad and that squad provides their choice of options during the game. As I understand it five loan players are allowed in a squad, not six. Fourteen clubs are allowed in a golf bag, not 15, although a golfer can only use one club at a time and may choose from any 14 clubs he likes. If the rules were broken at golf the outcome would be simple. The player would be disqualified from the competition, no ifs, no buts, no exceptions. There is no way you'd be allowed to keep your score. Perhaps that's why the rules are respected by everyone. Wednesday scored one goal and netted one point from the fixture concerned. No way should they be allowed to keep it. That it's Sheffield Wednesday doesn't matter. If Leicester ever find themselvews in the same situation they should lose the points. What relevence does a fine have and in what way is it a deterrent? Leeds got a £2000 fine a couple of years ago for exactly the same offence. Please tell me why we should have points deducted?
ronnup Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 Leeds got a £2000 fine a couple of years ago for exactly the same offence. Please tell me why we should have points deducted? cos it'll help us.
Thracian Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 Leeds got a £2000 fine a couple of years ago for exactly the same offence. Please tell me why we should have points deducted? Because the fine, pathetic and inappropriate as it was anyway, clearly did not have the desired effect of ending the problem.
Jon the Hat Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 This is quite clearly cheating. All points gained from cheating must be taken away in order to deter others from cheating.
Basingstoke Fox Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 This is quite clearly cheating. All points gained from cheating must be taken away in order to deter others from cheating. Or just send them down now? Or give US 10 points for no reason whatsoever
Legend_in_blue Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 Whens a decision due on all this? The FA are not known for their haste in dealing with such matters. Probably be sorted after the end of the season. Just ask any Sheff Utd fans, I'm sure they'll be happy to help!
The Reverend Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 I doubt that's the case at all.A team comprises its entire squad and that squad provides their choice of options during the game. As I understand it five loan players are allowed in a squad, not six. Fourteen clubs are allowed in a golf bag, not 15, although a golfer can only use one club at a time and may choose from any 14 clubs he likes. If the rules were broken at golf the outcome would be simple. The player would be disqualified from the competition, no ifs, no buts, no exceptions. There is no way you'd be allowed to keep your score. Perhaps that's why the rules are respected by everyone. Wednesday scored one goal and netted one point from the fixture concerned. No way should they be allowed to keep it. That it's Sheffield Wednesday doesn't matter. If Leicester ever find themselvews in the same situation they should lose the points. What relevence does a fine have and in what way is it a deterrent? I've got to say Thrac, that is a brilliant example and i fully agree with you.
Steven Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 This is quite clearly cheating. All points gained from cheating must be taken away in order to deter others from cheating. Damn right.
Jay Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 Leeds got a £2000 fine a couple of years ago for exactly the same offence. Please tell me why we should have points deducted? err isn't it pretty simple isn't it Leeds were only fined because they lost the game 2-1, you got a point and therefore should lose the point
Jimmy Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 Leeds got a £2000 fine a couple of years ago for exactly the same offence. Please tell me why we should have points deducted? because after that ALL clubs were warned by the F.A. and they LOST the match you got a point, at the least you should lose that
Cobbo Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 Well, on a side note - their game tonight has had the most exciting passage of play ever in the history of the game: 33:26 Attacking throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). 32:46 Defending throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). 32:34 Attacking throw-in by Tommy Spurr (Sheff Wed). 32:18 Attacking throw-in by Tommy Spurr (Sheff Wed). 32:08 Attacking throw-in by Tommy Spurr (Sheff Wed). 31:45 Defending throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). 31:02 Attacking throw-in by Tommy Spurr (Sheff Wed). Correction - 29:36 Defending throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). 29:36 Defending throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry).
Jimmy Posted 1 April 2008 Posted 1 April 2008 Well, on a side note - their game tonight has had the most exciting passage of play ever in the history of the game:33:26 Attacking throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). 32:46 Defending throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). 32:34 Attacking throw-in by Tommy Spurr (Sheff Wed). 32:18 Attacking throw-in by Tommy Spurr (Sheff Wed). 32:08 Attacking throw-in by Tommy Spurr (Sheff Wed). 31:45 Defending throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). 31:02 Attacking throw-in by Tommy Spurr (Sheff Wed). Correction - 29:36 Defending throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). 29:36 Defending throw-in by Richard Duffy (Coventry). lets hope it stays that way for the full 90
DB11 Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 They'll only get a fine I think even though that match should either be replayed or awarded to Stoke
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 This is quite clearly cheating. All points gained from cheating must be taken away in order to deter others from cheating. It's an adminstrative oversight that in the grand scheme of things, didn't have anybearing on the result as two of the loan players in question played no part. It is no cheating, it is us grabbing at straws, you cannot fine one club a pathetic £2000 for an offence, then all of a sudden wack points deductions on the same offence when another club does it 12 months later. I'll admit that fine needs to be increased in order to stop teams doing this. Something that is a bit more significant that 2 grand. but points deduction is way overboard.
Jimmy Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 It's an adminstrative oversight that in the grand scheme of things, didn't have anybearing on the result as two of the loan players in question played no part. It is no cheating, it is us grabbing at straws, you cannot fine one club a pathetic £2000 for an offence, then all of a sudden wack points deductions on the same offence when another club does it 12 months later.I'll admit that fine needs to be increased in order to stop teams doing this. Something that is a bit more significant that 2 grand. but points deduction is way overboard. the leeds thing happened last season so their punishment should have no barring on this 1, had it been this season i would agree with you
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 the leeds thing happened last season so their punishment should have no barring on this 1, had it been this season i would agree with you Why does that have a bearing on it?
Fat Ron Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 We should be keeping a closer eye on the situation at Southampton instead of tit for tat on Wednesday!! They are in the bottom 3 and on the verge of Administration apparently. If they lose the next game, will the board do a Leeds and opt for Administration this Season to prevent the chances of going into League 1 with a -10 on the board? Worth a thought, maybe?
Asha Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 We should be keeping a closer eye on the situation at Southampton instead of tit for tat on Wednesday!!They are in the bottom 3 and on the verge of Administration apparently. If they lose the next game, will the board do a Leeds and opt for Administration this Season to prevent the chances of going into League 1 with a -10 on the board? Worth a thought, maybe? Surely they wouldn't because there'd still be a decent chance of staying up. Better to at least try to stay in the Championship then go down with a 10 point deduction.
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