Maybes Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 Thanks to these lot of mugs, innocent football fans like ourselves are treated like scum week in week out by the police.
C-man Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 A few weeks ago, we were complaining about kettling. Now you seem to be advocating for it's return.The police are in a no-win situation. Exactly, if this game had passed off peacefully then the FSF would have been claiming that there were too many policemen there and that hooliganism was behind West Ham. (Pretty sure that some people high up in the FSF are Hammers). Now people are complaining that there weren't enough coppers or the police did an inadequate job? Nah, not having that.
Head Honcho Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 The ob have been banging on for years about having more power and now it's been given to them, they don't know how or can't be bothered to use them effectively. The police are more then capable of handling situations like this so please spare me the lectures. The should have been a great deal more proactive and hell of a lot less reactive.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 I don't know who started it last night, or who was more to blame out of West Ham or Millwall. Frankly, it doesn't matter, those involved should be banned from the game. Simple as.I'm interested to know the police's failing in all this. Obviously questions need to be asked, but what is it that they did differently to any other category 5 game? If it's going to kick off, it's very hard for the police to contain it safely, so why the accusations at London Met? Well said. The police did all they could. 1100 officers from all over the capital. They knew what was likely to happen, and contained the bulk of the trouble outside the ground. They cannot prevent thousands of people leaving their homes. They had to do what they did, the way they did. If they hadn't, then the issues would no doubt have been far greater, and todays headlines reading far worse than they do. Look at the problems there were in Northern Ireland. You know there will be trouble, but many actions have to be dealt with at the time, as you cannot predict fully, what people, may do. It is so easy to sit at home in front of the T.V. and criticise the police. People just don't know the real ins and outs of this problem, as they were not there having to deal with it, face to face.
Fox You Forest Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 The guy on SSN made me laugh, "I've lived here all my life, Born and bred round these parts and I've never seen anything like it" whilst proudly wearing his Liverpool shirt.
StanSP Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 That's the world cup bid fooked. Joke? It's not fooked. There's much worse violence around the other countries bidding. Sometimes worse than what happened last night.
James. Posted 26 August 2009 Author Posted 26 August 2009 The ob have been banging on for years about having more power and now it's been given to them, they don't know how or can't be bothered to use them effectively.The police are more then capable of handling situations like this so please spare me the lectures. The should have been a great deal more proactive and hell of a lot less reactive. I'm still none the wiser on how they should have handled it?
Basingstoke Fox Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 Well It made me laugh. Some people are just a bit slow Like me . I had just woken up at the time though!
lcfc_jme Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 Sounds like it was.. interesting, to say the least! This game was always gona go up to be honest, so the suprise and shock surrounding it is a bit ridiculous, imo. I'm not excusing what happened in or indeed out of the ground last night, because it's despicable and has no place in the game, but I think it's being blown out of all proportion as well. I also think that the hammering Millwall are gona take for this is absolutely outrageous, seeing as most of the unsavoury scenes inside the ground appear to be solely instigated by West Ham fans. But, y'know, that can swept under the carpet can't it, because Millwall are easier to scapegoat.
purpleronnie Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 That's the world cup bid fooked. Why? we have fewer problems than anywhere else and FIFA have come out and said just that.
Simi Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 ..........but thats not policing is it?It's the job of the police to prevent this sort of thing from happening. The whole area should have been cordoned off and anyone without a ticket prevented from entering the area. They should have been at tube stations and any known faces should have been prevented from travelling to Upton Park. Allowing 5000 ticketless Millwall fans to make the trip to Upton Park was to say the least a right royal fook up. I agree with HH in some areas. One way they could have dealt with it woudl have been not cutting the allocation in half. If 'Wall were given the allocation orginially given it would have stopped a further 1500 being outside of the ground. From what I've seen hardly any trouble inside the ground was from Millwall. Seems to me the Police need a reason to carry on dominating how clubs allocate tickets and how they run their matchdays. Nights like last night will only give them more power because they now feel it is justified.
Head Honcho Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 One of the ring leaders already targeted http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=3...;mid=2124812185
Tommeh Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 Many reports I've seen have mentioned "trouble with ticketless fans travelling creating trouble outside the ground" Hmmmm...maybe not halving the allocation TWICE could have prevented that, Met.
Shrenchel Posted 26 August 2009 Posted 26 August 2009 Many reports I've seen have mentioned "trouble with ticketless fans travelling creating trouble outside the ground" Hmmmm...maybe not halving the allocation TWICE could have prevented that, Met. Exactly. Might work when they've got a 3 and a half hour trip to West Yorkshire but when the game aint even on telly what the fook did they think Millwall fans without tickets were gunna do? Stay at home with Ceefax in-vision score updates on the go?!
Ultra Posted 27 August 2009 Posted 27 August 2009 Millwall should not have had ANY tickets - simple as. Their presence provoked the trouble, even if on this occasion they were the injured party in more ways than one. There are a lot of other places which would have reacted in exactly the same way to the prospect of up to 5000 Millwall yobs descending on their turf. The problem that the hammers have is that they're on film doing the same stuff Millwall do week in week out. I hope they don't get the same kid-glove treatment - a ground closure for the next few cup ties would send a message that this type of tribalism will not be tolerated in the 21st century.
Radovan's Caravan Posted 27 August 2009 Posted 27 August 2009 This episode is still wall to wall all over the continent and leading most bulletins. The meme is 'The reurn of the English Disease.' For some reason football violence in England gets far more coverage than elsewhere - it's a long time since so much airtime was devoted to a single incident. One strange thing - one garbled report suggested that a fim about West Ham/Millwall rivalry will be released next month. Is this a re release of that 2005 turkey 'Green Street'? If it is and moreso if it is not I find the configuration of all these events in the run up to a World Cup bid quite disturbing. When things like this happen in the Balkans people exchange long hard looks and fall eerily silent.
Raj Posted 27 August 2009 Posted 27 August 2009 I agree with HH in some areas.One way they could have dealt with it woudl have been not cutting the allocation in half. If 'Wall were given the allocation orginially given it would have stopped a further 1500 being outside of the ground. From what I've seen hardly any trouble inside the ground was from Millwall. Seems to me the Police need a reason to carry on dominating how clubs allocate tickets and how they run their matchdays. Nights like last night will only give them more power because they now feel it is justified. Even if WHU had given Mill 50% of the ground these 'so called fans/thugs' wouldnt have given a fcuk about attendning the game,as they were more concerned about their own game. Scenes before hand had nowt to do with Footy.
Raj Posted 27 August 2009 Posted 27 August 2009 Many reports I've seen have mentioned "trouble with ticketless fans travelling creating trouble outside the ground" Hmmmm...maybe not halving the allocation TWICE could have prevented that, Met. Think the "ticketless fans" went to watch the game and then nip back out for the ruck? They couldnt give a fcuk about the game ! Hope his children are proud of him. Bless the queen mum and all that.....
Shrenchel Posted 27 August 2009 Posted 27 August 2009 Well, there goes the World Cup. It's only going to affect the world cup if the media keep banging on about it. They talk about the English disease but they're the ones that are fooking addicted, When I was living in Spain I saw on several occassions reports of fighting inside football grounds but it gets a one minute report in the sports section of the late night news and a 5 inch column in the sports paper and then it's forgotten about by the next day. Foreign media look to the big stories in each country to source international news and with the cretins squeezing every bit of airtime they can out of it, it's gunna spread all over the world.
davieG Posted 27 August 2009 Posted 27 August 2009 From Newsarse - I'm not reading through 17 pages so if it's already been posted MEH! There was surprise last night after a football match broke out during a violent assault by a bunch of cockneys on another bunch of cockneys to decide which cockneys were hardest. The violence occurred between two groups of psychopathic cockneys, each with a penchant for football teams separated by a few hundred yards. One football hooligan told us, "When those cockneys come onto our manor, us cockneys see it as taking a fackin' liberty." "So we rounded up those cockneys, and us cockneys gave those other cockneys a right good hiding." Victory The violent confrontation was marred by a 3-1 victory for West Ham, in an unprovoked football match which broke out in the midst of the savage fighting. "It was disgusting, I could hardly see this one cockney having his head repeatedly rammed into a plastic seat because of these blokes in bright shirts kicking a ball backwards and forwards in front of me." "My ticket put me almost 100 yards away from the real action, so all I could see were athletic men running around and the odd goal." "If I wanted to see that sort of behaviour, I wouldn't support Millwall, would I?" Organised Organisers of both 'firms' have been quick to denounce the behaviour of West Ham and Millwall football clubs. "How are we supposed to finally decide which is the tidiest set of cockneys if they insist on playing football right in the middle of our fights?" "Is it any wonder attendances are down and proper cockneys are falling out of love with the game when their clubs behave like this?" Both firms have claimed victory, and the fight is due to go to a replay at the earliest possible opportunity.
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