ramboacdc Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 beckford got more goals last year yes but hes known for being one of the mardiest T**ts around. I also personally believe he wouldnt do well in the championship. Fryatt is the same i think he can smack them in left right and centre in league one because we had such a strong team for that league but the championships a whole new ball game. Fryatt can adapt and use his season in league one to improve on his record in the championship but beckford would be such a waste imo.
Mickey O'Neil Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 hull, bolton or someone of that ilk will take a punt on beckford. Not coming here. End of.
clazkel Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 Complete opposite surely? Yes i know thats why i put Mandaric may see the £££ signs. But on the other hand he seemed to agree terms with Fryatt to keep him at Leic when Fryatts contract was nearly up, which hopefully means he wants to keep him. 4 million isnt really that much in football these days and to allow him to go when we are already struggling for strikers, and Fryatt scoring 2 in 4 games or 3 in 5 games in the cup would be a massive mistake.
Criggers Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 Right.People saying he is absolutely on form etc.. Is he?? He has scored 2 goals in the league this season, one of them being a total fluke (the other quality admittedly) but lets face it, he still isn't proven at this level, and £4mil for someone who won't guarantee you goals at this level is almost a must sell I think. That is 2 goals more than a lot of other strikers in the Championship. I am also surprised at comments claiming we could get someone better with that money. I highly doubt it, because if Fryatt's value is being pushed up then so is every other players. That is how inflation works. Not only that but with 8 days left of the transfer window unless NP has had someone lined up for a while we won't be getting a replacement in at all. Now it's early season and im not saying Fryatt will do this (there is every chance he could) but a goal every other game is a 23 goal striker. Now whether or not that gets you playoff's or promotion is one thing, you would almost definately expect a team with that kind of striker to avoid relegation. A top half finish at least. I'd rather keep a player that could get us goals than £4million that won't. Since im confident Fryatt will get goals, the speculation of promotion is probably worth more than £4million. on the other side of the coin goals that avoid relegation back to League 1 and getting a top half finish instead is definately worth more than £4 million. And hi Foxes Talk
Guest Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 That is 2 goals more than a lot of other strikers in the Championship.I am also surprised at comments claiming we could get someone better with that money. I highly doubt it, because if Fryatt's value is being pushed up then so is every other players. That is how inflation works. Not only that but with 8 days left of the transfer window unless NP has had someone lined up for a while we won't be getting a replacement in at all. Now it's early season and im not saying Fryatt will do this (there is every chance he could) but a goal every other game is a 23 goal striker. Now whether or not that gets you playoff's or promotion is one thing, you would almost definately expect a team with that kind of striker to avoid relegation. A top half finish at least. I'd rather keep a player that could get us goals than £4million that won't. Since im confident Fryatt will get goals, the speculation of promotion is probably worth more than £4million. on the other side of the coin goals that avoid relegation back to League 1 and getting a top half finish instead is definately worth more than £4 million. And hi Foxes Talk Welcome, and good post
Dr The Singh Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 The £4 mill price is not the issue, even if we only end up with £3 mill, i think it's a fair value, even if NP turns it down, the offer maybe too tempting for Fryatt, he may see this as a quick step into the prem, and being as confident as he is, may think he's ready for the big league!!!!
Jon the Hat Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 If we recieve an offer of that magnitude and he wants to go, the risk of saying no is a demotivated stiker who turns into the Fryatt of 2 seasons ago. And that is not worth £4m, £3m, £2m or even £1m...
AyewJoking Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 They're scraping the barrel! Only let him go for upwards of 3 million as he's not great but still vital to us at the moment.
CosbehFox Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 2 goals in 4 now. Which was a 'hint' that i wouldn't mind keeping him. Remarkable that it's a better record than Lita's!
marbelladave Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 If we recieve an offer of that magnitude and he wants to go, the risk of saying no is a demotivated stiker who turns into the Fryatt of 2 seasons ago. And that is not worth £4m, £3m, £2m or even £1m... Good point. Assuming we would rather keep him, point out that Hull are a club on the way down and that he would probably have a frustrating season fighting relegation. Hull are desperate, and it shows. Ask him to put in a good season for us with the promise that he can go to a decent premiership club next season. Score 20 goals this season and much better clubs will be interested next year. If he decides to stay on those terms then great, if not, take the money!
FilboFox Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 Good point. Assuming we would rather keep him, point out that Hull are a club on the way down and that he would probably have a frustrating season fighting relegation. Hull are desperate, and it shows.Ask him to put in a good season for us with the promise that he can go to a decent premiership club next season. Score 20 goals this season and much better clubs will be interested next year. If he decides to stay on those terms then great, if not, take the money! Or just tell him he's not going anywhere and he'd better forget about moving and concentrate on getting Leicester to the Premiership if that's where he wants to be.
Criggers Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 If we recieve an offer of that magnitude and he wants to go, the risk of saying no is a demotivated stiker who turns into the Fryatt of 2 seasons ago. And that is not worth £4m, £3m, £2m or even £1m... There seems to be two types of professional footballers when it comes to transfer requests. Proper players and proper arseholes. Proper arseholes are the ones that manufacture moves by not wanting to play, lack of effort and generally upsetting the side because they don't get their way (a la Berbatov, Lescott). The proper pros are the ones who get on with it and play football to their best ability even if it wasnt what they wanted at the start of the season. Like Barry at Villa last year, Downing at boro for about the last 2 years etc. I dont think Fryatt would express a desire to leave, not this season anyway, and if he got turned down I would think he'd be more Gareth Barry than Berbatov. The last thing he would want to do after a successful last season is fall out with NP and end up like DJ. Although I suppose thats a bit different because we would actually be able to sell Fryatt. But I very much doubt he will be leaving us this season let alone this transfer window. Just my opinion, but I think it would be a poor move to go to a more-than-likely-to-be-relegated PL side. Get on with it here, score us some goals and see what position both club and player are in at the end of the season. Unless he's scored 25 goals by Christmas and a mid table PL side come chasing in Jan I can't see us losing him. I would hope.
marbelladave Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 There seems to be two types of professional footballers when it comes to transfer requests. Proper players and proper arseholes. Proper arseholes are the ones that manufacture moves by not wanting to play, lack of effort and generally upsetting the side because they don't get their way (a la Berbatov, Lescott). The proper pros are the ones who get on with it and play football to their best ability even if it wasnt what they wanted at the start of the season. Like Barry at Villa last year, Downing at boro for about the last 2 years etc.I dont think Fryatt would express a desire to leave, not this season anyway, and if he got turned down I would think he'd be more Gareth Barry than Berbatov. The last thing he would want to do after a successful last season is fall out with NP and end up like DJ. Although I suppose thats a bit different because we would actually be able to sell Fryatt. But I very much doubt he will be leaving us this season let alone this transfer window. Just my opinion, but I think it would be a poor move to go to a more-than-likely-to-be-relegated PL side. Get on with it here, score us some goals and see what position both club and player are in at the end of the season. Unless he's scored 25 goals by Christmas and a mid table PL side come chasing in Jan I can't see us losing him. I would hope. Fryatt is a bit of a 'moody' player, much better when happy and confident. He has done nothing to suggest that he wants away but even "proper players" lose confidence and focus if they are denied a move they really want. Your example, Gareth Barry, was pretty uninspired during Villa's awful run at the end of last season, and he is a decent pro. Best to thrash it out and reach a situation where everyone knows where they stand and are happy with the current situation , even if it is relatively short term.
Criggers Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 Fryatt is a bit of a 'moody' player, much better when happy and confident.He has done nothing to suggest that he wants away but even "proper players" lose confidence and focus if they are denied a move they really want. Your example, Gareth Barry, was pretty uninspired during Villa's awful run at the end of last season, and he is a decent pro. Best to thrash it out and reach a situation where everyone knows where they stand and are happy with the current situation , even if it is relatively short term. I see what you're saying about the Barry thing but I was more suggesting that he didn't sit on his arse and sulk all season, he did give his all even if they did finish poorly. I do agree that it is healthier to make sure everyone knows where they stand and reach a conclusion rather than drag things out unnecessarily. Either way I just can't really see this Hull transfer happening really. I may end up eating my words but it just seems to far fetched.
wellsy Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 To be honest, 4mill is a great amount for him. He was obviously a big player for us last season but he hasn't proved him self in this division let alone the prem! Last resort obviously for Hull.
leicesterseddon Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 Personaly I don't think Fryatt would be a very good buy for Hull as he lacks the pace necessary to survive as a front-man in the Premier League. I also doubt they'd spend £4m on him. Let's not forget this is nothing more than paper talk at this stage. Unless we get an offer for him that really is too good to refuse, we should hang on to him. He didn't do well at this level last time we were in the Championship, but that was in a very poor team and he was often out of position. It was also 2 years ago, and he was only 21 at the time. I doubt he will score as many goals this season as he did last year, but nevertheless he will score a decent amount of goals if fit. You only have to look at the way he took his goal on Saturday to see he has the potential to succeed at this level. If we really want to get out of this division, we shouldn't be selling our best players to nothing clubs like Hull, even if they are in the Premier League (for the second season in thier entire history).
Guest Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 To be honest, 4mill is a great amount for him. He was obviously a big player for us last season but he hasn't proved him self in this division let alone the prem!Last resort obviously for Hull. He hasn't but surely we'd be better to give the guy a chance now he has a decent team surrounding him and a bit of confidence no? And then if he really wants to go to a prem team next season and he's fired us anywhere near promotion, we could get much more for him
Bryn Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 What constitutes a something club these days? A few people deride Prem clubs for being nothing clubs because they have no history, and deride the likes of Forest because they're a nothing club because they do nothing but cling to their history... so who does count?
Uncle Albert Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 £4,000,000 for Fryatt?! I know Phil Brown is a jerk and doesn't have much of a clue about football at the moment since Hull's promotion but surely he isn't stupid enough to splash that amount on Fryatt? Would be nothing more than a desperate signing which would be classed in the same way as us when we signed Akinbiyi. £4,000,000! If Pearson was able to use half of that in signing players then I would be happy, Pearson would be able to sign a much better striker than Fryatt with £1 million let alone £2 million.
samjohnson Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 Yes, £4million is a fair amount, but I still reckon he is a real threat in the championship, despite his terrible goal record in the Championship last time round. League 1 has boosted his confidence and his goal scoring capability. If we get rid of him, we need someone to replace him... Fast!
Hackneyisblue Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 £4,000,000 for Fryatt?! I know Phil Brown is a jerk and doesn't have much of a clue about football at the moment since Hull's promotion but surely he isn't stupid enough to splash that amount on Fryatt? Would be nothing more than a desperate signing which would be classed in the same way as us when we signed Akinbiyi. £4,000,000! If Pearson was able to use half of that in signing players then I would be happy, Pearson would be able to sign a much better striker than Fryatt with £1 million let alone £2 million. I'd agree with all that except the last point. Gallagher is hardly prolific and he cost around 1 million. Fryatt has scored 3 in 5 so not a bad start for a player still short of match fitness.
Uncle Albert Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 I'd agree with all that except the last point.Gallagher is hardly prolific and he cost around 1 million. Fryatt has scored 3 in 5 so not a bad start for a player still short of match fitness. Yeah s'pose but I was far from impressed with the signing of Gallagher but I think if Pearson could look for a young quick striker who can get us goals then I think he could find us one with £1 or £2 million, easily.
eaststandtom Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 i cant stress how important it us for us to keep him. he will score goals for us this season. fook the money! boro were linked with 5 mill for rob hulse the other day so 4 mill for fryatt is nothing. however, city signing permanent deals for 2 new strikers suggest fryatt is off. very disappointing if it omes off this way
flanimal Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 My view is, he should stay. Fryatt like most players want to play Premier League football at some point. But, Fryatt has unfinished business in The Championship. The way to solve that is to have a good prolific season, getting 15-20 goals, if he did achieve that, he'd likely give Leicester a chance at promoton (then he's in the Premier League with Leicester), or he'd have proved himself and then a step up to a Premier League club wouldn't be so drastic. Either way, I think he needs one good season in the Championship before he does anything.
marbelladave Posted 24 August 2009 Posted 24 August 2009 My view is, he should stay. Fryatt like most players want to play Premier League football at some point. But, Fryatt has unfinished business in The Championship. The way to solve that is to have a good prolific season, getting 15-20 goals, if he did achieve that, he'd likely give Leicester a chance at promoton (then he's in the Premier League with Leicester), or he'd have proved himself and then a step up to a Premier League club wouldn't be so drastic.Either way, I think he needs one good season in the Championship before he does anything. This may make perfect sense to you (and me), but if Fryatt is offered premiership status and more importantly premiership money then he has to be very sure of himself to turn it down. Let us see if an offer is made and what the various parties say before we leap to conclusions. Moving to Hull could well be a mistake football wise, but the money could easily turn his head and in the real world there is nothing wrong with a professional seeking to maximise his earnings.
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