Derby post match

[C-man]

The more and more of the half a dozen threads that suddenly sprouted after this afternoon's defeat that I read, the more I'm thankful I didn't go. Saved myself a packet, a load of misery and a nice afternoon.

I was at the Walkers at half 12 buying some WBA tickets and just looking at the coaches suggested to me that we might have a weak end. Can someone explain to me why you'd pay £12-£15 on a coach ticket for a restricted away when you can have a good day out using the train for about a fiver? Seems bizarre.

To be fair I'd probably be pissed off with Oakley for walking off slowly, but what he did was hardly crime of the century. He's served us well. I'd clap him if he came back with Coventry next season....

Wayne Brown did what he had to do. Shame he's not allowed to break some fans legs. If you want to boo our players, please don't moan if they kick off. It's only fair considering what they've treated us to for the majority of the season.

Onwards an upwards. (or downwards, fvck it)

[Hugo Sanchez]

The more and more of the half a dozen threads that suddenly sprouted after this afternoon's defeat that I read, the more I'm thankful I didn't go. Saved myself a packet, a load of misery and a nice afternoon.

I was at the Walkers at half 12 buying some WBA tickets and just looking at the coaches suggested to me that we might have a weak end. Can someone explain to me why you'd pay £12-£15 on a coach ticket for a restricted away when you can have a good day out using the train for about a fiver? Seems bizarre.

To be fair I'd probably be pissed off with Oakley for walking off slowly, but what he did was hardly crime of the century. He's served us well. I'd clap him if he came back with Coventry next season....

Wayne Brown did what he had to do. Shame he's not allowed to break some fans legs. If you want to boo our players, please don't moan if they kick off. It's only fair considering what they've treated us to for the majority of the season.

Onwards an upwards. (or downwards, fvck it)

Sorry that makes no sence whats so ever, you looked at the people on the coaches and decided that our away supports wasnt going to be very good ?! Coaches take about 800 fans you know and we took about 3000 ... I will bet the atmosphere was better today then it will be at WBA.

[Maybes]

Sorry that makes no sence whats so ever, you looked at the people on the coaches and decided that our away supports wasnt going to be very good ?! Coaches take about 800 fans you know and we took about 3000 ... I will bet the atmosphere was better today then it will be at WBA.

Fvcking hope not mate.

[PAULCFC]

Fvcking hope not mate.

IT probably was....sky....good friday.....silly kick off time in brum...lucky to take 2000 and i'm staying home with a pint £23 sod that!Went last time we played the and Steve scored a hat trick

[Hugo Sanchez]

Fvcking hope not mate.

If we can't make a decent atmosphere with 3000 away fans at a local derby then god help us. I always thought Derby away had the best atmosphere better then cov and forest. Seems more real fans turn up and stand and sing. Cov away is always a disabled fest and Forest always ends up crap.

Last time i went West Brom ( we lost 2-0) their end next to our lot . Outsung us all game and they didn't score untill the 80 min.

I respect that you and your friends are going to go and your going to be singing and standing but i can't see no more then 1000 going with only a few at the back trying to make a good atmosphere but good luck.

[PAULCFC]

If we can't make a decent atmosphere with 3000 away fans at a local derby then god help us. I always thought Derby away had the best atmosphere better then cov and forest. Seems more real fans turn up and stand and sing. Cov away is always a disabled fest and Forest always ends up crap.

Last time i went West Brom ( we lost 2-0) their end next to our lot . Outsung us all game and they didn't score untill the 80 min.

I respect that you and your friends are going to go and your going to be singing and standing but i can't see no more then 1000 going with only a few at the back trying to make a good atmosphere but good luck.

[PAULCFC]

To be fair the last time i went to WBA,Super Steve scored a hat trick.......so its not a trip with real desperation!

[Koke]

I love Leicester City and I really respect Nigel Pearson's achievements since he became manager as I have said on the 'Thanks Nigel' thread. However, I was extremely puzzled by today's tactics and performance.

If we were in a league where match fixing was the norm, I would say that the match was fixed. I know this is an absolutely stupid thing to say and I know it is not true but a visitor from another football planet might say that Leicester City Football Club threw the match.

First, we started with two ex Derby players and added a third as a substitute to the applause of the home fans. They obviously respected this team selection. One of them, our captain, does not have a good game and when he is substituted he spends a relatively long time applauding the Derby fans, as if his heart remained at Pride Park. Meanwhile, our goalkeeper, under no pressure, concedes an own goal.

Our team adopts the strategy of horizontal and backward passing. The ball is shifted sideways and back to the goalkeeper, thus reducing the possibility of forward play. Everything is done to prevent the ball getting into Derby's box. We even desist from the long ball, although when it is played we do not win it and it immediately comes back again.

The manager who usually spends the whole match in his technical area, encouraging the team, is nowhere to be seen. He has left the match to his assistant and to the players. A rumour, from someone listening to a radio, spreads that he has not turned up. Yet he is glimpsed in the second half but does not, as usual, usher the team of the pitch or applaud the fans at the end. One of the players, Wayne Brown, decides to berate the Leicester fans for their reaction, despite the very positive support at the end and throughout the match - as if we should be grateful for the defeat.

The Derby captain, who did serve us well in his day, is paid back with a win for his team and is allowed to parade across the end with the away fans to clap the Derby supporters in each corner, to the derision of the Leicester fans, providing more ammunition for his career as an anti Leicester TV football pundit.

It would be interesting to know if there were any irregular betting patterns predicting the result.

OK, I am not serious but it did seem as if we were determined to lose.

I somewhat see where you're coming from actually.

[leftsideoverhere]

I was at the Walkers at half 12 buying some WBA tickets and just looking at the coaches suggested to me that we might have a weak end. Can someone explain to me why you'd pay £12-£15 on a coach ticket for a restricted away when you can have a good day out using the train for about a fiver? Seems bizarre.

Most of what C-man wrote I agreed with, but the above is misplaced. We didn't have a weak end as such - almost everyone stood (except family and friends of the club who'd been given their freebies on row A, only to discover that it wasn't at the front). There was good singing before the game, and through the first half, but it tailed off in the second as people realised we were continuing to play down to Derby's level, and they looked more likely to score than we did.

But we had isolated pockets of people who exercised ther "right" to give our own players shit. As for the coaches, I can't explain it. Some people seem to genuinely enjoy the coach trip.

[Legend_in_blue]

To my mind it is our tactics and approach to the game that limits our performances, the bright aggressive 4-3-3 that blossomed, all too briefly, a few weeks ago has, all to predictably, morphed into a cautious, sterile 4-5-1, so without a strong change of attitude it barely matters who is selected.

This is it exactly.

Yet people will not criticise NPs team selection or the way in which individuals are utilised as 'we are performing well above expectations'.

For me it's all about taking advantage of our position within the league table, but our approach to games is not helping us do this.

[leftsideoverhere]

Surely the more defensive set up in the last couple of games was a response to the loss of Berner and thus the team feeling more vulnerable at the back. Yesterday, we switched back to 4-4-2 (or something like it), presumably believing we wouldn't get room to play 4-3-3 at Pride Park. Those ideas didn't work particularly well, although we'd have got a point yesterday if not for Weale's step-over, but they're not exactly evidence of a manager devoid of ideas or unwilling to change things.

[marbelladave]

Surely the more defensive set up in the last couple of games was a response to the loss of Berner and thus the team feeling more vulnerable at the back. Yesterday, we switched back to 4-4-2 (or something like it), presumably believing we wouldn't get room to play 4-3-3 at Pride Park. Those ideas didn't work particularly well, although we'd have got a point yesterday if not for Weale's step-over, but they're not exactly evidence of a manager devoid of ideas or unwilling to change things.

Disagree entirely and this for me is very much the point.

When the going gets tough we revert to type, longball 4-4-2 and players out of position. Ideas that ask Oakley to play right wing while asking your center forward to cover the gaps in midfield strike me as perverse.

Similarly sticking your most creative player in the right wing position, giving him onerous defensive duties, then dropping him because he does not get involved enough does not give me confidence.

This is not a call for Pearson's head, he has done magnificently in a general sense, just a suggestion that match day tactics are probably the weakest link in his otherwise excellent skill set, and the team desperately needs some new and, yes, more aggressive tactics. Maybe Pearson can make those changes, maybe someone else needs to take tactical charge on match days but it needs to be done if we are to progress from playoff candidates to genuine promotion contenders.

[Legend_in_blue]

This is not a call for Pearson's head, he has done magnificently in a general sense, just a suggestion that match day tactics are probably the weakest link in his otherwise excellent skill set, and the team desperately needs some new and, yes, more aggressive tactics. Maybe Pearson can make those changes, maybe someone else needs to take tactical charge on match days but it needs to be done if we are to progress from playoff candidates to genuine promotion contenders.

Precisely it.

[Fosse Boy]

Most of what C-man wrote I agreed with, but the above is misplaced. We didn't have a weak end as such - almost everyone stood (except family and friends of the club who'd been given their freebies on row A, only to discover that it wasn't at the front). There was good singing before the game, and through the first half, but it tailed off in the second as people realised we were continuing to play down to Derby's level, and they looked more likely to score than we did.

Agree with this. Thought we were decent in the first half and singing decent songs too (well, I was enjoying myself anyway).

Particularly enjoyed the old school "There's a circus in the town" chant.

[Bert]

No-one deserved to win really. Just one of the freak things that happens really. Not surprised it was King making the back-pass though as it really does seem he can only pass sideways or backwards. Had the chance to possibly clear it for a throw-in, but never mind, Maybe that's why he's a pro and i'm not. Thought Yann did ok, won everything in the air but Waghorn was too far away for his flick-ons. Dyer was well marked out of the game and the midfield. Well. King, although very good at ball retention, very rarely or never makes a forward pass. Wellens tried the spectacular too much and Oakley, well pah.

Another thing that annoyed me yesterday was quick free kicks, especially in the second half when time was running out. We've got Gallagher who can whip a great ball in, and we we had, Howard, Hobbs, Morrison and Brown who are all dangerous in the box, yet we take it quick, dilly-dally with the ball get closed down and waste a good opportunity.

Tosspot of a ref too.

[lildave3]

No-one deserved to win really. Just one of the freak things that happens really. Not surprised it was King making the back-pass though as it really does seem he can only pass sideways or backwards. Had the chance to possibly clear it for a throw-in, but never mind, Maybe that's why he's a pro and i'm not. Thought Yann did ok, won everything in the air but Waghorn was too far away for his flick-ons. Dyer was well marked out of the game and the midfield. Well. King, although very good at ball retention, very rarely or never makes a forward pass. Wellens tried the spectacular too much and Oakley, well pah.

Another thing that annoyed me yesterday was quick free kicks, especially in the second half when time was running out. We've got Gallagher who can whip a great ball in, and we we had, Howard, Hobbs, Morrison and Brown who are all dangerous in the box, yet we take it quick, dilly-dally with the ball get closed down and waste a good opportunity.

Tosspot of a ref too.

Please do not tell me you are blaming King for getting back defensively and casually rolling it back to the keeper! Balls to your sideways and backwards passes.

[Mee]

On the goal subject, It happens in football, things go for you and thing don't. Weale just needs to keep his head up

[foxaholic]

If we get points off Cardiff, we'll probably be alright. Usually the big games makes Leicester play better. I'm pretty confident we can beat Peterborough and Watford, but after today, I'm not that sure!

[foxaholic]

So you are confident that we will beat Peterborough when we will have 3ooo or more there when did we last win away in the league with this sort of following remember last year .

[Matt]

So you are confident that we will beat Peterborough when we will have 3ooo or more there when did we last win away in the league with this sort of following remember last year .

We'll only have 1686 there as it stands unless Peterborough give us added allocation.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Just what I expected. When the chips are down we fall to pieces.

There is no character or leadership within the side, and the lack of desire is very noticeable within our ranks How we are as high as we are, beggars belief, It is at the run in, that the good sides get up the table. We will no doubt see them, as we slide down, and they overtake us.

The defense is suddenly very nervous, Chris Weale looks vulnerable after a great start, and there is just no. real quality up front.

I expect I will get hammered as a pessemist, but I am only stating my beliefs. Sorry.

[davieG]

Just what I expected. When the chips are down we fall to pieces.

There is no character or leadership within the side, and the lack of desire is very noticeable within our ranks How we are as high as we are, beggars belief, It is at the run in, that the good sides get up the table. We will no doubt see them, as we slide down, and they overtake us.

The defense is suddenly very nervous, Chris Weale looks vulnerable after a great start, and there is just no. real quality up front.

I expect I will get hammered as a pessemist, but I am only stating my beliefs. Sorry.

Fortunately for us there seems to be very few if any teams that match your description, Sheff U have just lost at home to S****horpe, Middlesborough could only muster a draw against Watford, Swansea struggled against Ipswich all teams near or below Derby in the League. Blackpool are having a good run so are probably the biggest danger.

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

A very disappointing game where I thought we were never going to score. It was a game between two very poor teams, but alwyas thought we looked more threatening and they hardlt had a shot at Weale following his howler.

The less said about Weale's error the better. But he really had nothing to do except pick the ball out of his net.

I thought the defence played well. Hobbs was solid as ever, Brown was ok at best but once again his control on the ball and distribution was woeful and I honestly think I am better at passing than him. Powell was never put under pressure, but we looked poor down that side as every time he got the ball he had to pass it qucikly which might explain why Dyer had a quiet game. Morrison got forward a few times too and aguably should have scored from a knock down.

The midfield was vary varied in terms of performances. Wellens looked good, and did his usual thing of buying cheap free kicks (our set pieces were absolutely shit) and had one great shot in the first half which I thought was in. He was unlucky with the effort when Bywater was out of his goal, but we never score those sort of goals when we need them. He and Hobbs were both my Man of the Match.

Oakley had a shocker. Was just terrible from start to finish. Every time he got the ball in front of their back 4 he would just lob it over the top to feed Waghorn in but he was never going to reach it on any occasion. He seems to be trying to replicate Browns passing too, giving the ball away in valuable positions leaving us very open on the counter. His short corners are an embarrassment. Why does he try and do fancy things from them the whole time and it always back fires and just gives them the ball back. If he makes the team for Cardiff I wont be happy.

King of course was unlucky for the OG and cant be blamed as he was under pressure and what Weale was thinking I dont know. He never seemed as threatening as Wellens but was getting in good positions, without always receiving the ball.

Dyer had a quiet game, I put that down to Powell as he didnt get forward enough like Berner would. Did make some good runs though and had a fairly threatening shot but his overall performance were like the ones last season when he started to come anonymous.

Waghorn tried hard, but never linked well with Kermo. He fed off scraps for the whole game, and I was annoyed to see him come off as I wanted to see him and Howard up front. Again not his best game but 100% effort.

Kermorgant is just fooking shit, and what we see in him I dont know. He wins the odd header but they always go the opposite way to any other player in a blue shirt. And in any match he has played in recently I cant remember him having a single shot. I dont buy all this about him needing time to settle in, he has had enough time and we cant afford to give any more to him.

All strikers were poor and we never looked like scoring despite having a lot of the ball and creating the odd half chance. It made me realise how much we missed Fryatt, least he gets one chance and might look like scoring.

Howard came on and looked up for it, asking the crowd to make more noise and really wanted the equaliser. But we never got enough balls into the box for him to get on the end of, so his threat was minimal, but his effort was good and I hope he starts the next match and is so much better than the useless Frenchman.

Cant say much about the other subs neither did too much, but I hope N'Guessan starts as he is always a threat.

I have never seen a luckier team/shitter team than Derby this season. Everytime the ball bounced down it would just go to a Derby player and there were a number of shots we had whcih got deflected and could have gone anywhere, but always seemed to go to the keeper. Savage never stopped moaning and how he never got booked is a disgrace. Our fans were very good, we created good noise, and were always behind the team and players, except when a few booed Oakley off the pitch.

On to the Cardiff game now, we need to stay positive, I have been looking at Blackpools run in and they dont have an easy games, so its all in our own hands it will be down to how much we want it. Lets all get behind the team and Weale, it was a poor performance yesterday but I think if we get one win in the next couple of games we will be back on track.

Come on Leicester!

[Sparky]

Watching 2 old boys scrap because one wanted to sit down whilst the whole block was standing was perhaps the most hilarious thing ive seen inside a football stadia

[CosbehFox]

Awful game of football. It's sometimes like watching a repeat of the same game in the Championship. We didn't get the luck this time out.

We must rise above it!