SOUSA OUT

[darko2k7]

Ill give him too the S****horpe game , anything less than 4 points this week and he is gone

S****horpe will be my first game this season so if we lose on Tuesday I can imagine it will be a interesting atmosphere

[wurmer]

I can't see Mandaric wanting to start another manager search, when he seems to want-out soon...

Might end up stuck with him..

[JimmyK]

I'm really unsure about this at the moment. I'm tempted to say we should follow Ipswich's example, remember how awful they were when Roy Keane took over (including at least one drubbing), and one season on they're looking pretty damn good.

I do think given time Sousa would deliver us far better performances and see us move up the table, and I'm still not gonna have made a proper opinion of the guy until at least xmas. But right now it's looking like it would take several players being replaced, or almost completely retrained, players who we know can perform really well under a different system. Which suggests it probably isn't worth it, but are there any available managers who would successfully replicate NP's style or another one that would work with us?

So... yeah, I dunno.

[Bugg]

If Sousa ends up going (not that I want him to yet) I'd like to see someone like Pardew get given the job, anyone else think this?

[Stand UP...]

Forget all the in depth reasons why sousa should still be hear, its ridiculous..it is so clear the majority of players dont like him, or his style or his attiude..who knows..but the league table and shit results says it all.

[Jimothy]

I'm really unsure about this at the moment. I'm tempted to say we should follow Ipswich's example, remember how awful they were when Roy Keane took over (including at least one drubbing), and one season on they're looking pretty damn good.

I do think given time Sousa would deliver us far better performances and see us move up the table, and I'm still not gonna have made a proper opinion of the guy until at least xmas. But right now it's looking like it would take several players being replaced, or almost completely retrained, players who we know can perform really well under a different system. Which suggests it probably isn't worth it, but are there any available managers who would successfully replicate NP's style or another one that would work with us?

So... yeah, I dunno.

Thing is Keane had already taken Sunderland from the bottom to Champions and the kept them in the Premier League. Sousa hasn't got that kind of track record, in fact he's barely got a track record at all, he's only been a manager for about 18 months and has won something like 30% of his games.

[JimmyK]

Thing is Keane had already taken Sunderland from the bottom to Champions and the kept them in the Premier League. Sousa hasn't got that kind of track record, in fact he's barely got a track record at all, he's only been a manager for about 18 months and has won something like 30% of his games.

True, I know our situation isn't really that comparable to them, I'm just clutching at straws with a team that drastically improved given time. I don't want to see us changing manager so early on, a rushed appointment wouldn't help matters, which I fear would happen. But there may be no choice but to get rid if something like this happens again. We'll see how Sousa and the team respond to this I guess.

[crafty fox]

i can remember everone wanting oneil out after about the same amount of games as sousa has had and look what happened there! give the man time we over achieved last season hugely and dont believe were top six material. nothing went for us friday and the ref was a joke and because of the result everyones understandably pissed but i dont for one minute think we'll get beat like that again this season .

[Guest Basildon Fox]

i can remember everone wanting oneil out after about the same amount of games as sousa has had and look what happened there! give the man time we over achieved last season hugely and dont believe were top six material. nothing went for us friday and the ref was a joke and because of the result everyones understandably pissed but i dont for one minute think we'll get beat like that again this season .

Why do people keep harping on about the O'Neil incident as if it is relevant. We had not just lost 6-1 to one of the worst teams in the division. Also this clown has had pre-season and a transfer window to sort us out. Under O'Neil we dropped about 8 places, under PS we have dropped 19!! No comparison at all.

If he were at a normal job he would be coming towards the end of his 3 month probationary period, does anybody really think that he would be kept on in those circumstances? Of course not. To anyone who says it will get better if we give him time, what happens if it doesn't? How long is this slump going to be allowed to go on for. As for the changing the manager would further disrupt our team I say how much more disrupted can it already get?

Get rid and do all it takes to get MON back to the club and give him the responsibility to choose his own men if you have any real ambition Top. For a start he would be afforded more time than any other manager we could get. People say it is impossible he would come back. For me it can not get any worse, we can not get any lower than we are now only onwards and upwards and I would guarantee with the squad we have he would have us firing up the table and quickly. There would be no hiding places for the players and no excuses given. Surely with the right financial package he would say yes. He would know we are not as bad as our position suggests.

[themotivator]

not really worth getting invoved in this arguement.

dont want any other managerial changes though.

Sousa to stay!

[CheshireFox]

if he was at all convincing in his defence of this approach and style of playing then maybe i would still have a shred of belief. however, i have no time for people who embroider, change the subject, or pretend that suddenly their english is a lot worse than it was the week before and spout some nonsensical rubbish post game. this shows a lack of respect for the fans and players.

Leicester have always played good old school footie, and that was part of the charm for me. I have no interest in watching 20-odd passes before the opposition gets stuck in. I want to see battling, tackling, fighting for the ball and playing with a passion. this is why i do not join premiership glory supporters, and why i quite enjoyed our season in league one (after getting over the shock of relegation of course).

from the moment we hired Sousa I have had grave doubts about the partnership with our team. we arent designed to play european flowery showy football and i dont think that we want to see that. feel free to disagree with this and I will apologise for assuming.

I love the team and am behind every player, and will support the team no matter what. I am also reluctant to speak against the manager. but I have given this enough time, and it is evident that they players are not happy with the change in regime and therefore I am not happy. I support the players first and foremost- they are the ones who get the results or not on the pitch, and as I see it, they are not working well under Sousa and therefore I believe that it would be better for us if he left.

We cant really do any worse at the moment, and a decision needs to be made whilst there is still time to attempt to salvage an upper table finish, which we should be acheiving after last season's finish.

[crafty fox]

Why do people keep harping on about the O'Neil incident as if it is relevant. We had not just lost 6-1 to one of the worst teams in the division. Also this clown has had pre-season and a transfer window to sort us out. Under O'Neil we dropped about 8 places, under PS we have dropped 19!! No comparison at all.

If he were at a normal job he would be coming towards the end of his 3 month probationary period, does anybody really think that he would be kept on in those circumstances? Of course not. To anyone who says it will get better if we give him time, what happens if it doesn't? How long is this slump going to be allowed to go on for. As for the changing the manager would further disrupt our team I say how much more disrupted can it already get?

Get rid and do all it takes to get MON back to the club and give him the responsibility to choose his own men if you have any real ambition Top. For a start he would be afforded more time than any other manager we could get. People say it is impossible he would come back. For me it can not get any worse, we can not get any lower than we are now only onwards and upwards and I would guarantee with the squad we have he would have us firing up the table and quickly. There would be no hiding places for the players and no excuses given. Surely with the right financial package he would say yes. He would know we are not as bad as our position suggests.

IF we sacked sousa and IF we remarkably managed to get oneil back what would happen if he only managed five points from eight games ? sack him aswell ? we need a bit stability the club is going through some huge changes and the last thing we need is to have no manager again.

[Jimothy]

IF we sacked sousa and IF we remarkably managed to get oneil back what would happen if he only managed five points from eight games ? sack him aswell ? we need a bit stability the club is going through some huge changes and the last thing we need is to have no manager again.

Well no because MON has a proven track record at pretty much every club he's managed at, certainly Leicester, Celtic and Aston Villa, taking all these clubs forward. Sousa has little managerial experience, and what he does have isn't amazingly impressive. So you're comparing two completely different managers at different stages in their careers, you wouldn't sack MON because he's done it all before and succeeded.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

IF we sacked sousa and IF we remarkably managed to get oneil back what would happen if he only managed five points from eight games ? sack him aswell ? we need a bit stability the club is going through some huge changes and the last thing we need is to have no manager again.

But that is the point. With the squad we have do you think that we would get 5 points from 8 games under him?

It is an embarrassment to the club with the money we have spent and the players we have at our disposal that we sit where we are and something has to give. If he stays and we then only get 5 points from another 8 games who will want to come in then? Will we then just give it another 8 games as no half-decent manager will want the job? There is no point in dragging this out any longer. Get rid. It is just not working. He has had the whole of pre-season to at least gel the team a little but it is clear to anyone that the team have no confidence in him or his tactics and because of this there is absolutely no chance things will improve.

I repeat a drop of 19 places in just 4 months is unacceptable and I believe that the only reason it is 19 places and not more is that we can not get any lower. If we could have dropped 40 places we would have such is the abysmal showing and blunt edged attacking that has been served up as football so far this season.

[shade]

for every single argument put forward for getting rid of Sousa there is one counter argument: martin oneill. you say it's obvious the players don't want Sousa here ? was that true with oneill? you say they can't play his system, was that true with oneill? you say he's tactically inept, was that true with oneill? can we all just calm down, you would think with what happened with martin, we would have learnt not to be the most knee jerk idiotic moronic fans in football? it's almost TOO unbelievable that were potentially doing it again !

[shade]

p.s he only finished two places below us last season with an arguably weaker squad, does that mean nothing?

[cc_star]

Motivation is non-existant

Signings are fooking awful, really really awful

Inconsistant team selection

Clueless defence (which apart from forest away last year has been tight for 2 years under Pearson)

We've gone backwards not forwards.

The common denominator for all these problems is useless cnut Sousa!

A win would be papering over the cracks, just fook him off before its too late.

SOUSA OUT!

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

With a z?

Really?

[shade]

weren't people protesting outside the ground to get oneill out?

[m00nie]

But that is the point. With the squad we have do you think that we would get 5 points from 8 games under him?

It is an embarrassment to the club with the money we have spent and the players we have at our disposal that we sit where we are and something has to give. If he stays and we then only get 5 points from another 8 games who will want to come in then? Will we then just give it another 8 games as no half-decent manager will want the job? There is no point in dragging this out any longer. Get rid. It is just not working. He has had the whole of pre-season to at least gel the team a little but it is clear to anyone that the team have no confidence in him or his tactics and because of this there is absolutely no chance things will improve.

I repeat a drop of 19 places in just 4 months is unacceptable and I believe that the only reason it is 19 places and not more is that we can not get any lower. If we could have dropped 40 places we would have such is the abysmal showing and blunt edged attacking that has been served up as football so far this season.

hows 4 months come into it? were only in the 2nd month...

[Guest Basildon Fox]

hows 4 months come into it? were only in the 2nd month...

When was the end of last season?

[m00nie]

When was the end of last season?

so people harping on about MON is irrelevant but where we finished last season isnt..

this is a new season, new manager, new players, new styles, new owners.. the season isnt even half way let alone over.

blackpool was top of the premiership for a bit but didnt mean they was going to win it... positions in the league change all the time.

having over acheived last year people are expecting too much too soon this year..

[Guest Basildon Fox]

so people harping on about MON is irrelevant but where we finished last season isnt..

this is a new season, new manager, new players, new styles, new owners.. the season isnt even half way let alone over.

blackpool was top of the premiership for a bit but didnt mean they was going to win it... positions in the league change all the time.

having over acheived last year people are expecting too much too soon this year..

What a load of complete bollocks. Do you not see what is in front of you? We are devoid of any confidence, fight and ideas. Of course where we finished last season is more relevant to this than MON as they are predominantly the same team of last season. 5th to 24th in 4 months. We over-achieved by that much?

[Chrysalis]

i can remember everone wanting oneil out after about the same amount of games as sousa has had and look what happened there! give the man time we over achieved last season hugely and dont believe were top six material. nothing went for us friday and the ref was a joke and because of the result everyones understandably pissed but i dont for one minute think we'll get beat like that again this season .

**sigh** if people want to compare to MON and keane lets look at 2 things.

keane had a decent past record in this division, MON had a very respectable history as well albeit in lower divisions, sousa hasnt got a respectable history.

also compare the goal difference between all 3 bad patches, sousa isnt just losing games he has yet to score first in a game and has been thrashed in numerous games already this season , yes I count been 3-0 down as a thrashing.

--edit-- after reading more posts.

cannot believe what I am reading, people saying oh we just need more time. wow. The longer this goes on for, the further we will be behind and the worse players heads will drop. In other words it will be harder to fix.

Facts which some others have already mentioned.

a tight defense is now low on confidence and leaking goals left right and centre. 2- players who were good last season are now putting in bad performances, this is down to motivation and training 3 - fitness levels have dropped 4- our strikers cant score. 5 - we cant defend set pieces 6 - we have no cutting edge so wont score many goals 7 - we trying to play a passing game our players arent capable off 8- we playing a 3 million pound striker on the wing.

and we just need to "give it time" oh dear.

[teblin]

People keep compairing this to the mon situation which is fine it took him 10 or 11 games to win. But if i remember correctly we didnt really get hammered during that time.