Kitchandro Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 O'Neill didn't get thrashed 6-1. He drew quite a lot of the games he didn't win. When he brought his own players in (Lennon, Claridge, Izzet) we improved. And the lowest we got was the bottom half. You can't even begin to compare Martin O'Neill with Paulo Sousa. They are so different it's unreal
Kitchandro Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 AND A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT: PEOPLE WHO SAY GIVE SOUSA MORE TIME BECAUSE IT WILL CLICK SOON - I'LL SAY JUST THIS: WE PLAYED BRILLIANTLY AT HOME TO CARDIFF AND WON 2-1. CLICKING? I'D SAY YES. WE PLAYED SO WELL MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF HOWARD UP FRONT SO HE DROPS HOWARD FOR THE NEXT MATCH. WHAT A fooking RETARD THAT SUMS HIM UP, HE CANNOT SEE THE BASIC PROBLEMS OR IMPLEMENT BASIC MANAGEMENT.
Chrysalis Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 We have provided more chances than any other team and before Friday's game, our ratio was one goal for every 19 chances, What does that tell you? Will bringing in a new manager improve this? I reckon even if Sir Alex came in, we wouldn't be putting more of these away. Sacking Souza isn't gonna start Fryatt sticking them in. you think a manager has no affect on goal scoring rates? so the manager has no affect on the following? player motivation training regime formation playing style who is on the pitch ?
Jakemoore Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 The daily mirror report mandaric to fire Sousa and pardew front runner for job Sousa to be gone after Norwich game Oh please God noooooo!!!
FrankieADZ Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Oh please God noooooo!!! why not? im not a fan of his or anything but looking around at managers with championship experience, he's one that not in a job either, I wouldnt want us getting some1 in with no championship exp/ what so ever.
swansfaninpeace Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 What I don't understand is that you lot had the best defence in the championship last year, but now with us we have conceded 20+ goals in 8 league games ???? Granted we had the best defence last year but not this year this shows that all sousa wants to do is defend not attack,also you have to look at the way we were playing the season before under martinez and our team were set up to play that way so it was easier for us to learn sousas antics, not having a go at leicester by no means but they dont play the passing game like the swans so it would take ages to develop his style.time which no one has in this league as a few losses can and do end in a relegation battle
AoWW Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 LOTS OF NEEDLESS SHOUTING Shuuush, I was asleep and you woke me up. Oh, and please learn how to turn your caps lock off.
Kent Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Something to possibly consider is that Portsmouth could have been buoyed by knowing that their prospective new (and returning) owner was watching them and a good performance could convince him to come back and rescue the club from financial turmoil. Not making excuses for us, the performance was shocking either way. Just a bit of food for thought that's all.
lcfcliam Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 One thing i don't understand is how can Martin Allen leave after 4 games with a record which is already better than Paulo Sousas yet Paulo is still here?
Wymsey Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 One thing i don't understand is how can Martin Allen leave after 4 games with a record which is already better than Paulo Sousas yet Paulo is still here? The main reason why Allen was ousted was because of the Hasselbaink saga. One wanted him, the other didn't. (don't know who did/didn't want him)
teblin Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 The main reason why Allen was ousted was because of the Hasselbaink saga. One wanted him, the other didn't. (don't know who did/didn't want him) Think there may have been more too it than that too.
Leicester Rule! Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Micky Adams. I liked Micky Adams as a manager, did a good job for us, and he got more respect from the fact that he resigned for the interest of the club.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 One thing i don't understand is how can Martin Allen leave after 4 games with a record which is already better than Paulo Sousas yet Paulo is still here? Reports at the time, including from the closest thing to contacts I've ever had (I don't have any now and wouldn't pretend to) suggested that that had very little to do with results and more to do with, how shall I put it, general conduct
smokey Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 The main reason why Allen was ousted was because of the Hasselbaink saga. One wanted him, the other didn't. (don't know who did/didn't want him) MMM.....And he was shit, clueless, i still blame in and not Holloway for relegation. That pre-season and the signings were a joke!
Floridafox Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 I'm sure its already been said somewhere else but what result is wanted against Norwich? Somehow we win the game and Sousa hangs around for longer. Or, as is more likely, we lose meaning Sousa's gone in the morning. Would they really keep Sousa if we lose tomorrow? If so Saturday at the Walkers will not be pretty, the support not necessarily the play. The one result I don't want is a draw
Salieri Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 I've never wished for anything other than a Leicester victory, whatever the circumstances, and i'm not about to change that mindset tomorrow. As unconvinced as I am about Sousa, I want nothing more than him to turn things around, starting against Norwich. Whether he's capable of such a turnaround remains to be seen.
Matt Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 If we win great, I hope it's a sign of things to come, I really do want him to turn it round but can't see it If we lose, he has to go. If we draw, we must get nothing less than a win on Saturday, otherwise he has to go. I'm sure I will be will be reviewing these points around this time tomorrow, and no doubt I will have a different mindset one way or another.
Wymsey Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 We will not win tomorrow if either Morrison/Neilson plays (even Lamey) and if that dickhead Sousa puts Hobbs on the bench again. I predict 3-0 tomorrow with the defence we have and their pacey wingers, strikers and defenders that can score goals from corners. If my prediction of 3-0 is wrong, i will change my attitude on here and stop being a retarded cvnt. (i am not promising anything though )
Raj Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 Cotterill said that Pompey were due to whup someone pretty soon....unfortunatley it was us. Having said that,it was only after a dumb idiotic handball by a player who has lost all confidence and has made more mistakes this season already than most prev seasons put together,a VERY harsh sending off,a deflection for the 2nd goal and what looked like a perfectly onside goal for Kingy(thought in line was onside in favour of the forward!) However apart from the couple of performances where we played good football we havent REALLy been creating the chances have we? I had this with Philce after the QPR game. Yes we may have had half herated attempts at goal but we dont seem to make the oppostition GK make saves or create any CLEAR CUT chances. And for all of Sousas lovely footballing method...IS it really that pretty??? At times yes,but on the whole its just the normal crap CChip shite we have been used to. I dont want him sacked as i feel he'll get it right if he just gets abit of luck,but if he doenst get that luck soon,he will be gone. I'd love to see him rip into someone at half time or head towards the ref as if he's gonna boot him up the arse but i suppose that aint gonna happen wiv him is it? He didnt help himself tho by leaving out argueably the best player we have(hobbs) and starting wiv a debutant,also if he wants goals he's surely gottta use last seaons goalscorer upfront and not as a winger? BUT i suppose its always easier from afar. Another manager,who'll have different ideas again...more of the same shite???...fcuk knows!!!
Guy Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 Pretty much agree with everything that's been said about (against) Sousa so far. None of it is knee jerk as it is a disaster season to date. Ipswich last season (under Keane) were poor at the start when they shouldn't have been and how he kept his job I don't know - but even they weren't losing 6-1 to the teams below/around them! The expressions on the players faces on the bench after 89 minutes at Pompey on Friday said it all to me and although still labouring under the "early days" tag (plus the sending off didn't help), even so it is clear that the new regime has not got it at all right with their new blend of "passing football" that is out of place and doesn't work in the Championship. Basically the players are not suited to playing this new way, Pearson had them playing the right way last season. Swansea only finished well up last season under Sousa because they scraped wins and weren't conceeding six goals to the bottom team. The sole win of ours against Cardiff was only because their best three players were absent that night, while who gives a stuff about the Carling Cup?! (in which we'll be KO'd by West Brom. from in R4 anyway). It's looking very much like "Sousa out" if we fail to get at least two points from an available six against Norwich and Scunny. Curbishley, Mark Robins or even Chrissy Powell to take over if Sousa goes.....while a Micky Adams return would be v.unlikely......as would one for M.O'Neill (with Walford and Robertson)!!
Guy Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 Granted we had the best defence last year but not this year this shows that all sousa wants to do is defend not attack,also you have to look at the way we were playing the season before under martinez and our team were set up to play that way so it was easier for us to learn sousas antics, not having a go at leicester by no means but they dont play the passing game like the swans so it would take ages to develop his style.time which no one has in this league as a few losses can and do end in a relegation battle This is very true, players at Championship level (or maybe any level!) cannot suddenly change their style of play from just one season to the next.......by going from playing an attacking, effective and no nonsense style (like under Nigel Pearson last season) then suddenly to a "continental" passing style that Sousa is hell bent on wanting to implement! To date it has basically confused the hell out of the players and ok, maybe given a smidgen of luck Andy King would have three more goals to his name from three previous games (rather than having them all disallowed!) and we'd have six more points because of it but I fear that is just papering over the sizeable cracks! Sousa's got two more games max. to sort it out......if he's allowed anymore than that if we fail to win either then I'll eat my XXX!
Guy Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 People keep compairing this to the mon situation which is fine it took him 10 or 11 games to win. But if i remember correctly we didnt really get hammered during that time. There are small parallels to MON's first three months in charge in early 1996 but as you said, the worst we suffered back then was a home defeat to a mediocre Sheffield United side, 0-2......not a 6-1 drubbing away to a side who were below us before the start of play, Pompey! I know we lost 6-1 at Ipswich firly early on in the season when Micky Adams took us back up to the Prem. that season in 2002-03 too but that was just a one off. We've already shipped three goals each against mediocre opposition too (at Palace and Burnley) on top of the six at Pompey! Getting back on track, the abuse dished out to MON after that game in March '96 was more the backlash from the Brian Little/Mark McGhee departures that had gone before, sadly MON bore the brunt of all the fans' "pent up" frustration at that time when it looked like we had gone from dead certs for promotion under McGhee to mid table alsorans after three months under MON once McGhee saw the dollar signs and had defected to Wolves of course. MON had to try and add his own style somewhat to the team - ironically a "passing team" (far superior to Sousa's!) that had been assembled and taught to play that way.........but then deserted by McGhee! Once we'd turned the corner under MON after that win at Charlton thanks to Claridge then the rest, as they say, is history! I cannot see any such thing happeneing under Sousa in the next two-three games though.........as much as though I'd like to........
Ozwin Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 You could build a house with these walls of texts, it's nearly 4am people, help a brother out.
Guy Posted 28 September 2010 Posted 28 September 2010 You could build a house with these walls of texts, it's nearly 4am people, help a brother out. Ha! I'm on nights but dinner break is now officially over.....:-(
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