Ford Super Sunday Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Yet again the Pearson lovers out in force. Can't accept that one of the 'old guard' is losing their place to someone better. I do wonder what on earth Stowell has to do in training these days though, Ricardo should be coaching Stowell, not the other way round.
hackneyfox Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Stowell has been with us for years and yet I don't remember any goalie significantly improving after joining us, in fact some have got worse.
marbelladave Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 But you see you've hit the nail on the head there, all he did was play short, simple passes. I don't see that as class, I see that as very basic and straightforward. People are making out as if every time the ball came to Weale he scored an own goal. Are you saying that Weale can't pass it five yards, or that he never has done? As Shrapnel says, he's been around for years and he's always been a liability with crosses, it's got nothing to do with the English game. He's played at the highest level and I've never rated him for the same reasons as we saw on Saturday. He looked very dodgy to me and I think the only reason people are claiming he showed he can do things that Weale can't are being a bit too loyal to Sven. Yes, that is pretty much what I am saying. The difference between Weale and Ricardo in this respect was chalk and cheese. I have not exactly followed Ricardo's career, he may well not be suited to Championship football but this has yet to be deteremined. What we do know is that Weale has not forged a solid unit with his central defenders despite starting most of our games in the last season and a half, maybe Ricardo can, in which case I for one would like to see him replace Weale as the starter. With amount of time Derby gave us on Saturday I could have kept goal. I could have played one-twos with Bamba in my own box. So could Weale. Ricardo did nothing special at all. Simple things like catching it though (which is the goalkeeper's main job) he was very unconvincing. Weale has had games where he has had as much time and space as Ricardo had yesterday but I do not remember him setting up attacks in anything like the same manner. When it comes to stopping the opposition scoring it does not much matter whether the keeper catches, punches ar knocks the ball clear with his todger, but goalkeeping is a lot more than just that. While far from perfect I was very impressed with Ricardo's presence and what he brought to our general play. I am more than happy to see if he can continue to do this while keeping a clean sheet against tougher opposition. We shall see....
RobHawk Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Seems to me that perhaps we no longer have a number 1 goalkepper, but we have a choice of 2 depending on the opponent, playing surface, weather conditions etc. We all want Leicester to play good football! that has to start from the back and while it may have looked very simple, what Ricardo did, he did well and its something alot of keepers dont do!! When the pitch and conditions are good Ricardo could be a big difference to help us play the football we want to. On poor pitches or poor conditions or against teams who will just hoof it forward (like sheffield utd) Weale would be the better the choice!! Its not necessarily about whos the best goalkepper but whos style suits the game we will be playing. This is the kind of Genius that Sven could thinking!!! (I think this is what DavieG was trying to get at so apoligies if ive just reinvented the wheel!) Edit: Thats my 100th post in over 2 years!! I generally only say something if its worthwhile! A few people on here could certainly take note of that!
marbelladave Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Do you have a tin hat? If you were referring to me, then yes, flak jacket too.... To put it bluntly, for much of the game I though we looked incredibly assured at the back, something I can not recall for a very long time. Sure, Ricardo has his faults but he has real presence and seemed to take control of our defence in a way I have never seen from Weale. I have commented on this weakness in Weale's game way back in the early stages of last season, so I am not just making this up to make a point!
hackneyfox Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Totally with you on this. I saw Ricardo's lips moving as well, you never see that with Weale. Just spoke to a portugese work colleague about Ricardo. Reckons he'll scare us from free kicks, crosses and corners but he's a great shot stopper, communicates with his defence well and is very confident with the ball.
hackneyfox Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Loved Saturday's game, we were fantastic in the first half, and just sat back a bgit in the second and let them come on at us. That tactic is not unknown from Sven and due to the defence (created by Sven) I never felt worried. There are co* fans raving about us on GMK and yet people still find something to worry about on here. Will anybody ever see 6 better goals than we have just scored in the last 2 games?
muzzy1981 Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Oozed confidence which you would expect for a player of his experience. Fans need to give him and any other newbies a chance and get behind them! Thought we bossed Derby, they didn't get a look in!
Captain... Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Did you read what Sven said about trying out Ricardo in one game and not having dropped Weale? How can you say his form is better when Ricardo has only played 1 game? Weale has let in a lot from distance recently because every manager tells his players to have a pop. I was surprised that Weale was dropped, whatever happens on Friday I will assume that Sven and Faz have done it because they think it is best for the team, not because they love Player A and hate Player B, as som may on here assume. Do you not think that every manager will tell his team against Ricardo to pump the ball high into the box put him under pressure with big lumps up front, surround him and wait for him to spill it? Alot of these long shots Weale has let in have been very good, do you think the Barnsely fans are criticising their keeper for letting in 4 screamers the other week? Maybe he is a bit suspect but you stick it in the corner then he has no chance, I can't think of many mistkes he's made in our current good run, I'm not saying he hasn't made them this season, but that could be argued it was down to insecurity about his place and being unsettled. We will wait and see if Weale comes back for Bristol City, but Sven's style so far has not been one of rotation but to pick a first team and stick with it, I would welcome a change to that especially seeing as Oakley for Abe worked against Derby but I expect Abe to be back for Bristol, refreshed and ready to go. I don't think anyone on here thinks it's a case of love and hate for a player, but I think Sven will feel under presure to justify signing Ricardo on what are probably quite high wages for the Championship and seeing as it is a short term contract it makes sense to give him a run out to see what he can do, but judging by his performance against Derby it could be a risk, with the potential consequences, dropping a few clangers and costing us points, outweighing the possible benefit, Ricardo for another couple of years. So far I wouldn't back him as a prem keeper, if we got promoted it would be time to replace Weale, not when he is in good form and we are on a good run. Anyway we will see what happens, I don't want to be proved right about Ricardo, but I can't help feel he will cost us points. Totally with you on this. I saw Ricardo's lips moving as well, you never see that with Weale. Just spoke to a portugese work colleague about Ricardo. Reckons he'll scare us from free kicks, crosses and corners but he's a great shot stopper, communicates with his defence well and is very confident with the ball. Is that not the exact same point some of us on here have been making? How many teams in the Championship play that way, whipping in crosses and hitting high balls into the box for a target man? Some of us on here aready knew that about him from watchig him play for Portugal, until he was dropped from the national team for too many mistakes.
hackneyfox Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 I'm very aware, from having read this thread, that people worry about how he will be from crosses, corners and free kicks. I'm very worried about Weale from all of those as well, and I absolutely panic should there be a back pass that Weale has to deal with. The relevant point is 'dropped from the national team'. Weale has never had a sniff of football at the highest level, for reasons given by many on this thread alone.
CosbehFox Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 . As long as he doesn't make any howlers, nobody will care if he can pass it few yards. 1 . There was one incident where Ricardo came to punch it at the corner of the box, and was out of his goal. Derby got it into the middle and fortunately one of our centre backs got us out of jail by putting off the Derby player who headed wide. That could have easily been a goal because Ricardo didn't deal with it. 2 We are not using Spider as a barometer surely. 3 1. Well that's the problem with Weale, nice lad and all that but too many howlers for a successful team. Dare I say it his indecision cost us in the play-off semi's. 2. That was the only time he had me worried because he made a poor decision to come out. However, he was right to punch. If he caught it, he'd have probably followed through his feet when jumping to be outside his box. 3. Well Ibbos mentioned he's a Spider.... Weale has been around for years and a lot of it was sitting on a bench in Bristol. Tbf, that was one season when Basso was inspired and Weale was recovering from a major knee injury. He went up through the leagues with Yeovil mostly. Totally with you on this. I saw Ricardo's lips moving as well, you never see that with Weale. Yep, that as well. Weale's almost too nice of a guy.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Sousa got it pretty much spot on. Fuck me, I think a pig's just flown by my house.
marbelladave Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Do you have a tin hat? Remarkably little 'incoming' so far.... Hat off, having a brew....
hackneyfox Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 If you could just link Weale, Hobbs and Waghorn into a thread with comparisons to Fryatt and Morrison you could decimate half of this board. Or if it was done in a positive manner the sale of tissues would rocket. One of the best games you'll ever see and 7 pages of stuff about how unfair it is on Weale.
Corky Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Ricardo will be better on the ground and setting up attacks, Weale will deal with crosses and aerial balls better. Combine the two and we'll be fine.
Dr The Singh Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Bags of experience, great technical ability, BUT, is he the answer. He is aging, so being a shot stopper, is he nimble and quick enough? Does his play suit our game, inparticular his girly punches when at times he could catch the ball....will such things be detrimental??? I personally think Weale deserved his place on previous displays but Sven wants particulr type of players, players which are technically gifted and can add to the team in an attacking sense!! Potentially Ricardo can be a massive success, he is no smaller then Weale but his positive attacking stance could be a match winner. Overall: Time will tell
B52 Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 Alot of these long shots Weale has let in have been very good.... It's the defence missing to cover space..... This means Ricardo, now, has a great defence line cutting out every possibility to create great shots from distance. Hence why Ricardo punches out the ball instead of risking to drop it and have a mess or penalty. If Weale is as good, as you say, isn't it great to have two goalkeepers in the team with different approaches?
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 You sound like a left wing politician taking a perfectly reasonable comment and making it read like something else. Cos I can't remember anyone "writing off" Mee or Van Aarnholt. What some people did was give their honest ratings of the guys on the day. The rest just kidded themselves. Cos both players were piss poor on their debuts. However you dress it up, whatever you wish and believe they might be in the future that's what they were. And that's what was said. When Mee played well he got good marks. The same with Van Aarnholt yesterday. Ricardo's the same. He had an acceptable first half and was little less than a liability in the second. Had Weale played like that for 45 minutes hed'd have been slated. How people played yesterday has nothing to do with how they played a week or two back. Any more than their ratings have anything to do how often they've played. Like Bednar and Kirkland if players aren't ready then the manager doesn't have to pick em. And whoever he does pick will be assumed fit, ready and judged on their performance. Which is exactly what's been done in most cases. Yes just like a politician for wanting the guy to be given a chance.
marbelladave Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 It is worth remembering that of our back 5 that started on Saturday, only one player was with us on Jan 1st. To all intents this is another brand new defence, it is all coming together rather well if you ask me. Apart from Naughton just 13 Championship games between the 4 of them, they should be quite decent once they settle in...
soley118 Posted 14 February 2011 Posted 14 February 2011 I understand it was only one game so not easy to judge but what are your initial thoughts? I like his distribution, he fits in well with the way Sven likes to build from the back, one thing that always frustrated me about Weale was his constant long kicks that come straight back in to our half, with premiership quality full backs you need to take advantage of their pace and awareness, fits our game much better. Unfortunately that was about the only thing that impressed me, his kicking was poor and way too casual. The punching works sometimes but did he even catch the ball once? I also thought he looked lost at times and didn't commit when he needed too. Now alot of this will be down to playing with a new defence as it takes a while to get used to playing together but I fear that against a team that can actual threaten, who has a bit of quality, he would struggle..... thoughts? dont think im going to be judging him till he has a shot thats on target sent at our goal .
AmyLGK Posted 15 February 2011 Posted 15 February 2011 Erm how is THIS possible!?!?!?!?! My link I don't remember Weale being on here recently !!!!! By the way this isn't me saying Ricardo is crap - just that surely as hew had nothing to do how can he be in team of the week! And surely as Weale has made some awesome saves recently he SHOULD have featured!
Haydos Posted 15 February 2011 Posted 15 February 2011 Erm how is THIS possible!?!?!?!?! My link I don't remember Weale being on here recently !!!!! By the way this isn't me saying Ricardo is crap - just that surely as hew had nothing to do how can he be in team of the week! And surely as Weale has made some awesome saves recently he SHOULD have featured! Did he make a save?
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