Ricardo

[ibbosuk]

Only you, everyone is else is just the p*** out of you.

Some maybe, but we have another Spider Kalac on our hands.

You can rest assured I will be on here ripping into all those people who demonstrate week in and week out that they know sweet FA about football.

I said Ricardo was a liability and they (You all know who you are) said otherwise.

I can see and make a confident judgement after one game, and I will ram my experience down the lesser lings throats, because the more you personally back a naff keeper (Because you/they dont know what they are talking about, the more it hurts(( MY CLUB))

People in my opinion, should not be allow to give there opinion, if its that stupid that it hurts the club.

I fully endose a Kristallnacht type round up of all the supporters of Ricardo......

[Haydos]

You sound like a left wing politician taking a perfectly reasonable comment and making it read like something else.

Cos I can't remember anyone "writing off" Mee or Van Aarnholt.

What some people did was give their honest ratings of the guys on the day. The rest just kidded themselves.

Cos both players were piss poor on their debuts. However you drewss it up, whatever you wish and believe they might be in the future that's what they were. And that's what was said.

When Mee played well he got good marks. The same with Van Aarnholt yesterday.

Ricardo's the same. He had an acceptable first half and little less than a liability in the second. Had Weale played like that for 45 minutes hed'd have been slated. How people played yesterday has nothing to do with how they played a week or two back. Any more than their ratings have anything to do how often they've played. Like Bednar and Kirkland if players aren't ready then the manager doesn't have to pick em. And whoever he does pick will be assumed fit, ready and judged on their performance. Which is exactly what's been done in most cases.

Seriously? You've just forgotten about all the "he's shit" and "sooner he leaves, the better" comments?

[Babylon]

Some maybe, but we have another Spider Kalac on our hands.

You can rest assured I will be on here ripping into all those people who demonstrate week in and week out that they know sweet FA about football.

I said Ricardo was a liability and they (You all know who you are) said otherwise.

I can see and make a confident judgement after one game, and I will ram my experience down the lesser lings throats, because the more you personally back a naff keeper (Because you/they dont know what they are talking about, the more it hurts(( MY CLUB))

People in my opinion, should not be allow to give there opinion, if its that stupid that it hurts the club.

I fully endose a Kristallnacht type round up of all the supporters of Ricardo......

ibbosuk, you may or may not be right... who knows for sure?. Nobody minds you stating you think the guy is dodgy, but I think most peoples arguments are that perhaps we should give people time before completely writing them off. There is nothing wrong with that, like there is nothing wrong with your opinion, where you fall down is by calling everyone with that opinion "stupid" etc on generally just going OTT with your critisism of him.

Make your point and move on, going on about it only serves to wind you up and wind everyone else up.

[Babylon]

Seriously? You've just forgotten about all the "he's shit" and "sooner he leaves, the better" comments?

Thracian forgets quite a bit, I've given up correcting him on what he thinks someone has said, compared to the truth.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Some maybe, but we have another Spider Kalac on our hands.

You can rest assured I will be on here ripping into all those people who demonstrate week in and week out that they know sweet FA about football.

I said Ricardo was a liability and they (You all know who you are) said otherwise.

I can see and make a confident judgement after one game, and I will ram my experience down the lesser lings throats, because the more you personally back a naff keeper (Because you/they dont know what they are talking about, the more it hurts(( MY CLUB))

People in my opinion, should not be allow to give there opinion, if its that stupid that it hurts the club.

I fully endose a Kristallnacht type round up of all the supporters of Ricardo......

Then let me be first onboard the train to Dachau

[Itsthejoeker]

He looks far more confident playing the ball on the floor, Weale looks positively terrified when the ball is played back to him and tends to fumble or get rid too quickly

[Kitchandro]

He looks far more confident playing the ball on the floor, Weale looks positively terrified when the ball is played back to him and tends to fumble or get rid too quickly

I think it's more important that a goalkeeper can catch it, than pass it. I'd rather him hoof it up the pitch than try and be clever and cock it up (like he nearly did a few times last night).

People seem to be ignoring the sliced clearances.

[CosbehFox]

People seem to be ignoring the sliced clearances.

Tbf in the same way, we all ignore how Yak hardly chases defenders down but then scores a goal of real quality. I think we ignore the clearances when he started a goal from his distribution.

How many times did his punches fall back within the danger area? Hardly any. Punched away far from the goal tbh.

Either way, he had a better debut than Spider and just going off past performances alone, he's a better keeper.

[Kitchandro]

Tbf in the same way, we all ignore how Yak hardly chases defenders down but then scores a goal of real quality. I think we ignore the clearances when he started a goal from his distribution.

How many times did his punches fall back within the danger area? Hardly any. Punched away far from the goal tbh.

Either way, he had a better debut than Spider and just going off past performances alone, he's a better keeper.

But the Yak is employed to score class goals. And trust me, it will become more annoying further down the line in close games when we need him to chase it a bit. But for now, it's not really been a problem because we've been winning.

On the other hand, a goalkeepers job is is to be safe and solid. It is not his job to start moves and create goals, that is a secondary requirement. As long as he doesn't make any howlers, nobody will care if he can pass it few yards. much like nobody will care if the yak doesn't chase, as long as his goals win us games.

He only needs to make one error and it could cost us points, such is the life of a goalkeeper. There was one incident where Ricardo came to punch it at the corner of the box, and was out of his goal. Derby got it into the middle and fortunately one of our centre backs got us out of jail by putting off the Derby player who headed wide. That could have easily been a goal because Ricardo didn't deal with it.

We are not using Spider as a barometer surely.

[Ozwin]

Mee had a crap debut and now everyone's rimming him, calm down.

[hackneyfox]

How may of yesterday's team played in the opening game at Palace?

There are people on this board that would still have us playing the same eleven as at Palace.

I know which football I'd sooner be watching.

Ricardo has played 1 game, he didn't concede, so he's done what a goalie should attempt to do every game.

Weale has played well recently and I thought Sven would wait till a home game before he dropped him.

But Weale is a mistake waiting to happen imo.

Weale is poor on crosses, he can't play the ball with his feet, he doesn't communicate with his defence* and his distribution is generally poor.

* Ricardo seemed, on the telly, to talk more than I've seen Weale do all season.

It's best not to question Sven's motives, you generally look a bit foolish within a couple of weeks.

[Bert]

admittedly I'm slightly over exaggerating but lets face it when Weale plays if someone shoots from distance we all think "goal" Ricardo played his 1st game in nearly 2 years lets judge him at the end of March at the earliest

So basically what I posted without actually having to say it and making myself look an idiot?

And Weale is not "shit".

[LCFCmatt]

What a friggin' clown Ricardo is. Bring back Logan!

[Alexikokopops]

So far this year Mee has been virtually written off after 1 game, Van Arnholt after 1 game and now Ricardo. Some of the views on here are completely ridiculous!! Who were 2 of our best players yesterday?

Just because people say he was a but rubbish, it doesn't mean they're writing him off

[Captain...]

I was scepitcal when we signed Ricardo, and yesterday he did nothing to show me that he should be ahead of Weale. Whether Ricardo proves to be a liability or the next legendary Leicester goalkeeper I don't know, but so far I'm not convinced.

What I do find strange is Sven's justification of playing Ricardo, he has afforded him a luxury that a lot of other players haven't.

Why hasn't Yakubu been dropped while he's playing well for Waghorn?

Why hasn't Naughton been dropped to give Nielson a game?

King is playing really well, we should drop him for Moussa to not damage his confidence.

The thing is will Ricardo get dropped when playing well to give Weale a game?

Despite not being a fan of Oakley I was glad he started and got a game as Abe wasn't looking very sharp for a couple of games, and I hope it brings in a period of rotation where we use our large and talented squad to it's full potential, with potentil injuries and suspensions and some big games on the horizon we don't want to have to rely on a fringe player when it really matters.

It is better that Ricardo has a game or 2 under his belt against weaker opposition in case Weale gets injured, likewise this should extend to rotating the front three, keeping Dyer, Gally, Waghorn, Vassell and Yakubu fresh. Any 3 from those 5 should be enough to deal with Bristol City, likewise at the back Bamba, Mee, Vitor and Bruma should all be capable of playing together.

[Uncle Monty]

I was scepitcal when we signed Ricardo, and yesterday he did nothing to show me that he should be ahead of Weale. Whether Ricardo proves to be a liability or the next legendary Leicester goalkeeper I don't know, but so far I'm not convinced.

What I do find strange is Sven's justification of playing Ricardo, he has afforded him a luxury that a lot of other players haven't.

Why hasn't Yakubu been dropped while he's playing well for Waghorn?

Why hasn't Naughton been dropped to give Nielson a game?

King is playing really well, we should drop him for Moussa to not damage his confidence.

The thing is will Ricardo get dropped when playing well to give Weale a game?

Despite not being a fan of Oakley I was glad he started and got a game as Abe wasn't looking very sharp for a couple of games, and I hope it brings in a period of rotation where we use our large and talented squad to it's full potential, with potentil injuries and suspensions and some big games on the horizon we don't want to have to rely on a fringe player when it really matters.

It is better that Ricardo has a game or 2 under his belt against weaker opposition in case Weale gets injured, likewise this should extend to rotating the front three, keeping Dyer, Gally, Waghorn, Vassell and Yakubu fresh. Any 3 from those 5 should be enough to deal with Bristol City, likewise at the back Bamba, Mee, Vitor and Bruma should all be capable of playing together.

Christ would people stop being so negative. We are winning games, save the criticism.

[bluebeau]

I was not at all confident with Ricardo, in fact I felt nervous every time the ball was pumped into the box. He never once tried to catch or hold the ball, & he was very lucky that the shaggers didn't score when he mis-punched it to one of their players when he was miles out of his goal, very lucky sod indeed!

However guys, what we should remember is that what we saw during the game, so did Sven, Faz, & Mike Stowell (GK Coach). So if they feel there is a problem it will obviously be addressed.

It will be interesting to see who keeps goal against Bristol City???????

I can't help but feel sorry for Chris Weale as he has not let us down, & of late he has been outstanding.

In The Messiah we trust, Sven is God.

[The Doctor]

But the Yak is employed to score class goals. And trust me, it will become more annoying further down the line in close games when we need him to chase it a bit. But for now, it's not really been a problem because we've been winning.

On the other hand, a goalkeepers job is is to be safe and solid. It is not his job to start moves and create goals, that is a secondary requirement. As long as he doesn't make any howlers, nobody will care if he can pass it few yards. much like nobody will care if the yak doesn't chase, as long as his goals win us games.

He only needs to make one error and it could cost us points, such is the life of a goalkeeper. There was one incident where Ricardo came to punch it at the corner of the box, and was out of his goal. Derby got it into the middle and fortunately one of our centre backs got us out of jail by putting off the Derby player who headed wide. That could have easily been a goal because Ricardo didn't deal with it.

We are not using Spider as a barometer surely.

arguably punching it was the right option. He's right on the corner of the box and going over the striker, if he'd tried to catch that he could have spilled it when colliding with the striker or even taken it outside his box and given away a needless free kick. Besides that punch was falling to naughton but he didn't deal with it and lost possession.

[davieG]

I think so many of you are missing the point it's not about whether one is better than the other or deserves the place on performance it's all about style of play, Sven obviously want's a goal keeper for example who is used to passing the ball out quickly to enable quick counter attacks and not only through the CBs but also through fast attacking FBs.

I don't see how this is any different to picking one out field player over another because they offer either something different or because they fit the required style of play. This is also why Hobbs and Fryatt were not first choice.

If you're happy with Sven and the style of play he's trying to instil in the team then you have to accept his choice of players to interpret that style.

[Simmo86]

arguably punching it was the right option. He's right on the corner of the box and going over the striker, if he'd tried to catch that he could have spilled it when colliding with the striker or even taken it outside his box and given away a needless free kick. Besides that punch was falling to naughton but he didn't deal with it and lost possession.

People seem to conveniently forget the the ball dropped straight to Naughton who then pussed out of a challenge with the Derby player.

[Raj]

Its obvious that Sven dont rate Weale as he defo want a recognised no1 Goalie.

Personally i cant see many better than Weale who have tried to take over as the No1

[Captain...]

Christ would people stop being so negative. We are winning games, save the criticism.

If that was aimed at me, there have been much more critical posts than mine, it was actually just a bit of speculation as to whether or not Sven's justification for playing Ricardo will bring in a rotation style policy.

It may have been a bit tongue in cheek, but I really hope we start using the whole squad, we may need them all in this run in and with a lot of quality on the bench, we should use it.

I still find Sven's justification strange, if Weale comes back in the next game then fair enough, but I think what Sven wanted to say is, Ricardo is in my eyes number one, sorry Chris thanks for everything.

@DavieG who do you think would be easier to train, Chris Weale to distribute the ball quicker and get the play moving faster, or Ricardo to come out and catch crosses. They both have weaknesses, and other clubs will target them, Weale is poor from range, Ricardo looks poor on balls into the box. Derby did it in the second half, they played through their wingers targetted our full backs and whipped the ball in, I don't remember Ricardo claiming any, fortunately Bamba and Mee were immense. The clean sheet was down to them.

[danny.]

I dunno what game I was watching but he seemed good to me - potentially much better than weale given the arsenal-style-football we are trying to play.

[davieG]

@DavieG who do you think would be easier to train, Chris Weale to distribute the ball quicker and get the play moving faster, or Ricardo to come out and catch crosses. They both have weaknesses, and other clubs will target them, Weale is poor from range, Ricardo looks poor on balls into the box. Derby did it in the second half, they played through their wingers targetted our full backs and whipped the ball in, I don't remember Ricardo claiming any, fortunately Bamba and Mee were immense. The clean sheet was down to them.

Well Sven's been in charge for a while now and has decided to use Ricardo so I guess he's come to a conclusion on that and I'm sure Ricardo is capable of catching the ball when he feels it's a viable option.

People are judging his ability to deal with the ball after one game, let's see how he is at these other aspects of goalkeeping when he's got used to his defenders, playing in the championship and with the ball used in the Championship.

[21st Century Fox]

I think so many of you are missing the point it's not about whether one is better than the other or deserves the place on performance it's all about style of play, Sven obviously want's a goal keeper for example who is used to passing the ball out quickly to enable quick counter attacks and not only through the CBs but also through fast attacking FBs.

I don't see how this is any different to picking one out field player over another because they offer either something different or because they fit the required style of play. This is also why Hobbs and Fryatt were not first choice.

If you're happy with Sven and the style of play he's trying to instil in the team then you have to accept his choice of players to interpret that style.

this.