Guest Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 This myth about Tunchev is pretty annoying. The guy looked decent several years ago (at a time when our team wasn't decent). since then he has been injured forever. He may or may not come back as good as he was (not as good as he seemed to be). We shouldn't count on him for anything. And shouldn't sell players hoping that he'll be good for us.
Bluefoxtim Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 This myth about Tunchev is pretty annoying. The guy looked decent several years ago (at a time when our team wasn't decent). since then he has been injured forever. He may or may not come back as good as he was (not as good as he seemed to be). We shouldn't count on him for anything. And shouldn't sell players hoping that he'll be good for us. How was the team not decent when we walked League 1?
Guest MattP Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 Great news if true £250k to £2m in months An amazing footballer, so skilful but as a CB he's frequently out of position & often makes awful decisions to bring the ball down & not head it clear putting us under undue pressure. Great piece of business for the club especially if it enables us to further our Mills & Mee bids, then alongside SSL & Tunch we should be amazing at the back absolutely, am I the only one that still sees us having a bit of a struggle with him in the team?? I cant remember a game V a top 6 side where he didnt struggle agasint the main striker....
B52 Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 absolutely, am I the only one that still sees us having a bit of a struggle with him in the team?? I cant remember a game V a top 6 side where he didnt struggle agasint the main striker.... Could either you or cc_star(or someone who thinks Bamba is not good in defence) tell me what game Bamba played on right CB and was bad?
Guest MattP Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 Could either you or cc_star(or someone who thinks Bamba is not good in defence) tell me what game Bamba played on right CB and was bad? I'll be honest I can't remember ever single game of the season to which exact position he played, however if they guy is supposed to be worth 2million adapting from RCB to LCB really shouldnt be that much of a problem, we can't have all our back up centre backs as LCB's just to organise the team around one player. Maybe the co-incedence was when we played all the decent teams he was at LCB? So it might be more down to a difference in quality of opposition rather than the 10 yards further to the left of the pitch he was standing on.
B52 Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 I'll be honest I can't remember ever single game of the season to which exact position he played, however if they guy is supposed to be worth 2million adapting from RCB to LCB really shouldnt be that much of a problem, we can't have all our back up centre backs as LCB's just to organise the team around one player. Maybe the co-incedence was when we played all the decent teams he was at LCB? So it might be more down to a difference in quality of opposition rather than the 10 yards further to the left of the pitch he was standing on. It can also depend on wich LB covering Bambas ass also. Bamba can play RB and in midfield if asked. You don't throw away a strong, quick player(a bit cocky though) like Bamba and then is forced to buy a lesser player for the same value. It don't make sense.
Guest Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 How was the team not decent when we walked League 1? hmmm Let me think. League 1 playing other league 1 shit then championship playoff team building a squad to compete in the prem now. No difference that I can see.
Guest MattP Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 It can also depend on wich LB covering Bambas ass also. Bamba can play RB and in midfield if asked. You don't throw away a strong, quick player(a bit cocky though) like Bamba and then is forced to buy a lesser player for the same value. It don't make sense. I think Maldini and Baresi in their primes at LB and RCB would of struggled to cover some of the positions Bamba ended up in whilst we conceded last season.
cc_star Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 Could either you or cc_star(or someone who thinks Bamba is not good in defence) tell me what game Bamba played on right CB and was bad? I didn't say he was bad, I've said many times he's an awesome footballer, but defensively he's often out of position & makes poor decisions for example bringing the ball down when it should be cleared and trying to beat a player rather than passing it and retaining position... he did this in nearly all his games after his amazing début (which many people seem to be blinded by) Many goals which were conceded by us had the other CB looking across to see where Bamba was, usually 10 yards away from the guy he was supposed to pick up. Obviously the whole team contributed to these by being generally poor when the opposition had the ball, but his out of position-ness, poor decision making contributed. Any two from Mills/SSL/Mee would be far more stable (again its only IMO) Awesome footballer, so skilful but not a Championship defender IMO, receiving 8 times the money for him within 6 months when we seem to be signing better replacements anyway is an amazing deal that we should be snapping their hands off for
Guest ttfn Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 I think a lot of the stick that Bamba is getting is completely unjustified. We were no worse defensively after he joined than before. The main difference was that we had a centre-back who was capable on the ball, and liked to pass it out of defence. This helped our attacking play significantly. It was only with hindsight that it occurred to many (although never to me, I really rate the bloke) that Kisnorbo may have been more of a hindrance than a help. Despite having an excellent defensive record, we went down because we didn't score enough, and part of the reason was due to the inability to pass the ball from the back through midfield. At times last year, Bamba looked absolutely rock solid, and it was only once Sven started pissing about with the defence that he looked shaky. Now, I simply haven't seen enough of St Ledger or Mills to say for sure that they would be as capable on the ball as Bamba. Sure, they may be good defenders, but there needs to be a balance. I doubt anybody here can have seen them play more than 10 times each (Irish fans aside), and as such it is unlikely that any of us have a decent idea of exactly what sort of defender we'd be signing. A final point on Bamba. He may have only been here six months, but for better or worse he is already a cult hero. Players like Bamba are the spirit and soul of the club, regardless of whether they've been here a month or a decade. Win, lose or draw, he always has a smile on his face and looks like he genuinely enjoys being there. It's important that the quest for promotion, with us throwing money about left, right and centre, doesn't come at all costs. Perhaps retaining a perfectly competent defender with a genuine personality and affiliation with the fans might be a good start.
The Doctor Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 hmmm Let me think. League 1 playing other league 1 shit then championship playoff team building a squad to compete in the prem now. No difference that I can see. aye, lets not forget that having lost one of the main players from that league 1 season and just promoted his back-up to a first team player, then adding 1 midfielder, 1 rb unproven out of scotland, 1 keeper who had been the back-up at an average championship club and 1 completely unproven loanee striker (in terms of the regular first team) and a league 2 winger, unproven loanee LB and a striker that had never played higher than the french second division (the main back-ups) that league 1 shit then reached the championship play-offs and was a penalty shoot-out away from wembley the season after breezing league 1. Tunchev was a class above in league 1 & looked fine in his brief championship cameos when he wasn't injured in the past 2 seasons.
accessory Posted 6 July 2011 Posted 6 July 2011 This link was posted on the Nicky Maynard thread.. Don't remember reading anything on here or in the Mercury at the time Scottish court orders Bamba to pay £1300/month child maintenance No wonder he may have become unsettled. It seems he may be in need of the extra cash that a team like Marseille could offer him.
RyanB89 Posted 7 July 2011 Posted 7 July 2011 This link was posted on the Nicky Maynard thread.. Don't remember reading anything on here or in the Mercury at the time Scottish court orders Bamba to pay £1300/month child maintenance No wonder he may have become unsettled. It seems he may be in need of the extra cash that a team like Marseille could offer him. OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BAMBA IS ONLY ON 2K A WEEK ?!?!?!? im sure there wont be any tension if mills comes in on 25k a week
Jimmy Posted 7 July 2011 Posted 7 July 2011 This link was posted on the Nicky Maynard thread.. Don't remember reading anything on here or in the Mercury at the time Scottish court orders Bamba to pay £1300/month child maintenance No wonder he may have become unsettled. It seems he may be in need of the extra cash that a team like Marseille could offer him. I bet he didn't contest the claim he's probably on a hell of a lot more then that
Hack Posted 7 July 2011 Posted 7 July 2011 I think a lot of the stick that Bamba is getting is completely unjustified. We were no worse defensively after he joined than before. The main difference was that we had a centre-back who was capable on the ball, and liked to pass it out of defence. This helped our attacking play significantly. It was only with hindsight that it occurred to many (although never to me, I really rate the bloke) that Kisnorbo may have been more of a hindrance than a help. Despite having an excellent defensive record, we went down because we didn't score enough, and part of the reason was due to the inability to pass the ball from the back through midfield. At times last year, Bamba looked absolutely rock solid, and it was only once Sven started pissing about with the defence that he looked shaky. Now, I simply haven't seen enough of St Ledger or Mills to say for sure that they would be as capable on the ball as Bamba. Sure, they may be good defenders, but there needs to be a balance. I doubt anybody here can have seen them play more than 10 times each (Irish fans aside), and as such it is unlikely that any of us have a decent idea of exactly what sort of defender we'd be signing. A final point on Bamba. He may have only been here six months, but for better or worse he is already a cult hero. Players like Bamba are the spirit and soul of the club, regardless of whether they've been here a month or a decade. Win, lose or draw, he always has a smile on his face and looks like he genuinely enjoys being there. It's important that the quest for promotion, with us throwing money about left, right and centre, doesn't come at all costs. Perhaps retaining a perfectly competent defender with a genuine personality and affiliation with the fans might be a good start. Excellent Post. 100% agree. I don't think we are likely to sell him unless he asks to go. The build up of defence players is not in relation to him being moved on. Tunchev is the most likely to make make it back in the palying squad.
OzFox Posted 7 July 2011 Posted 7 July 2011 I think a lot of the stick that Bamba is getting is completely unjustified. We were no worse defensively after he joined than before. The main difference was that we had a centre-back who was capable on the ball, and liked to pass it out of defence. This helped our attacking play significantly. It was only with hindsight that it occurred to many (although never to me, I really rate the bloke) that Kisnorbo may have been more of a hindrance than a help. Despite having an excellent defensive record, we went down because we didn't score enough, and part of the reason was due to the inability to pass the ball from the back through midfield. At times last year, Bamba looked absolutely rock solid, and it was only once Sven started pissing about with the defence that he looked shaky. Now, I simply haven't seen enough of St Ledger or Mills to say for sure that they would be as capable on the ball as Bamba. Sure, they may be good defenders, but there needs to be a balance. I doubt anybody here can have seen them play more than 10 times each (Irish fans aside), and as such it is unlikely that any of us have a decent idea of exactly what sort of defender we'd be signing. A final point on Bamba. He may have only been here six months, but for better or worse he is already a cult hero. Players like Bamba are the spirit and soul of the club, regardless of whether they've been here a month or a decade. Win, lose or draw, he always has a smile on his face and looks like he genuinely enjoys being there. It's important that the quest for promotion, with us throwing money about left, right and centre, doesn't come at all costs. Perhaps retaining a perfectly competent defender with a genuine personality and affiliation with the fans might be a good start. Agreed. I'd much rather see a defender get the ball down and try and do something with it, even if he does make the odd mistake. We've had our fair share of hoofing and head-tennis over the years. Even the O'Neill side often by-passed the midfield, as Walsh recently pointed out.
dpjfox Posted 7 July 2011 Posted 7 July 2011 I always assumed/thought Bamba was right footed , however im now told he is left footed (info from sons fifa or similar)
Jimmy Posted 7 July 2011 Posted 7 July 2011 I always assumed/thought Bamba was right footed , however im now told he is left footed (info from sons fifa or similar) just going by the fact he struggled played LCB I'm going to guess he is actually right footed
ithuriel Posted 7 July 2011 Posted 7 July 2011 Bamba is getting slated by some on here for playing in a constantly mix n match defence from last season and was superior to Bruma by a sea mile . If he wanted to leave then by all means sell but if not then we would be foolish to weaken the team and he look's like a great character to have in the dressing room alongside Gally
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 7 July 2011 Posted 7 July 2011 Bamba is getting slated by some on here for playing in a constantly mix n match defence from last season and was superior to Bruma by a sea mile . If he wanted to leave then by all means sell but if not then we would be foolish to weaken the team and he look's like a great character to have in the dressing room alongside Gally Good points.
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