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Simple then, stick a bid in for Wes Hoolahan

I'd have him over Whittingham any day.

Posted

Sven seems to be going for players with pace and a high work rate, that isn't Whittingham, nor by the way is it Wellens or King.

Really?

Posted

King is far quicker than Wellens, rarely dallies on the ball and doesn't look for over ambitious passes.

I like it when Wellens is the man to go forward rather than King. At Hull away last season, it seemed that Wellens was given a more advancing role than King. And this was better in my opinion because Wellens will drive with the ball, where as, King doesn't.

:crylaugh: you're fvcking mad.

Ok. After all it is my opinion though.

of course, who needs a good goalscorer who plays simple, possession retaining passes when you've got a player who'll score 2/3 a season and attempts at hollywood balls that only come off 40% of the time.

Whittingham will score more than King if he signs and isn't pushed out wide where has played last season for Cardiff. Plus, Wellens only scores 2/3 a season because of the position he plays. He is the general player to sit.

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King doesn't tackle. He hardly gets stuck in. He is a big player but doesn't win most headers in midfield. He always looks tired, and other 'box to box' midfielders don't - look at Izzet, he was a box to box midfielder but didn't look as tired as King does now.

The natural goalscoring part of him game is an asset, but overall, I think we've got better options if Whittingham joins Danns. Abe and Wellens would also be picked ahead of King.

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I like it when Wellens is the man to go forward rather than King. At Hull away last season, it seemed that Wellens was given a more advancing role than King. And this was better in my opinion because Wellens will drive with the ball, where as, King doesn't.

Ok. After all it is my opinion though.

Whittingham will score more than King if he signs and isn't pushed out wide where has played last season for Cardiff. Plus, Wellens only scores 2/3 a season because of the position he plays. He is the general player to sit.

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King doesn't tackle. He hardly gets stuck in. He is a big player but doesn't win most headers in midfield. He always looks tired, and other 'box to box' midfielders don't - look at Izzet, he was a box to box midfielder but didn't look as tired as King does now.

The natural goalscoring part of him game is an asset, but overall, I think we've got better options if Whittingham joins Danns. Abe and Wellens would also be picked ahead of King.

really?

If wittingham joins then wellens should not be getting near the first team. While he can play well, he often just hinders our attacking play. If we are playing it fast he slows it down by dallying in possession and then tries to play the spectacular ball which rarely actually comes off.

The second half at home to watford last season was a prime example of what we can do when wellens isn't playing. We played it fast and simple, and in doing so took watford apart. Wellens doesn't contribute with goals and damages our attacking play as much as he helps it. Danns should replace him in the midfield 3 next season regardless of whether or not we sign wittinham.

Posted

You make it seem as if you're in the know over Whittingham coming in.

Is he or isn't he, do you actually know anything or just guessing?

lol whats with your problem with people posting facts/opinions and not clarifying which?!?

Posted

really?

If wittingham joins then wellens should not be getting near the first team. While he can play well, he often just hinders our attacking play. If we are playing it fast he slows it down by dallying in possession and then tries to play the spectacular ball which rarely actually comes off.

The second half at home to watford last season was a prime example of what we can do when wellens isn't playing. We played it fast and simple, and in doing so took watford apart. Wellens doesn't contribute with goals and damages our attacking play as much as he helps it. Danns should replace him in the midfield 3 next season regardless of whether or not we sign wittinham.

We need both, different teams will require different tactics and Wellens and King can do serious damage like they showed last season. Wellens will can tear teams that aren't well organised/disciplined apart with his range of passing. King will again be vital again next season.

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Don't really know how signing Whittingham would benefit us, unless King is unavailable through sale, suspension or injury.

He could play either wide left in a 4-4-2 or centre mid in a 4-3-3. He doesn't have the pace to play wide left in a 4-3-3, particularly if Gallagher is on the other flank. Sven likes us to attack at pace.

If we play 4-4-2, he'll fit right in. The problem is, he doesn't track back particularly well, and has a tendency to "go missing", much like King. However, whereas with King there is often good work going on underneath the surface, I never get that impression with Whittingham. Having both King and Whittingham in either a 3 or 4 man midfield places way too much pressure on the other central midfield player.

We also don't appear to be setting up to play 4-4-2 anyway. The signing of Danns, who is by all accounts a dynamic, energetic midfield player, to complement Abe, Oakley, Wellens and King certainly hints at a 4-3-3.

I understand the need to have a large squad, but there's a balance. We don't want to see King playing 45 games plus internationals again as he looked knackered at the end of last season, but it will serve us no good to be chopping and changing all the time either.

I think we're pretty set for midfielders right now. If Dyer goes we could do with an out-and-out winger though.

Posted

Wellens is one of the best midfield players outside the premiership. He was great last season then again he could of scored 15 goals and some would still say hes shit on here.

Posted

To be honest I can't see him leaving Cardiff, be a good signing for us if he did. Think we are just getting linked to players for the sake of it now

Posted

Im trying to think of a reason why he would sign for Portsmouth over us.

1. Weve got a bigger and better stadium.

2. Weve got a more successful and high profile manager.

3. Weve got a better squad.

4. Can surely offer more money than what Portsmouth would.

The list goes on ........

Come on Sven put a bid in !!

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Im trying to think of a reason why he would sign for Portsmouth over us.

1. Weve got a bigger and better stadium.

2. Weve got a more successful and high profile manager.

3. Weve got a better squad.

4. Can surely offer more money than what Portsmouth would.

The list goes on ........

Come on Sven put a bid in !!

Absoulte ditto!

Posted

I think its irrelevant where you think whittingham may or may not fit and how he will get ahead of the mighty kingy and wellens. We have the money, its not going to hurt us to have some healthy competition in the squad and Whittingham has proved in the past couple of seasons to be as good if not better than our midfielders. King and Wellens have their moments, but they can go missing for games at a time, bring in Whittingham, i cant believe people don't want to sign him.

Posted

I think its irrelevant where you think whittingham may or may not fit and how he will get ahead of the mighty kingy and wellens. We have the money, its not going to hurt us to have some healthy competition in the squad and Whittingham has proved in the past couple of seasons to be as good if not better than our midfielders. King and Wellens have their moments, but they can go missing for games at a time, bring in Whittingham, i cant believe people don't want to sign him.

If you're going to be like that then its irrelevant what we all think.

Its just my opinion, pull that stick out of your arse and chill out.

Posted

I think its irrelevant where you think whittingham may or may not fit and how he will get ahead of the mighty kingy and wellens. We have the money, its not going to hurt us to have some healthy competition in the squad and Whittingham has proved in the past couple of seasons to be as good if not better than our midfielders. King and Wellens have their moments, but they can go missing for games at a time, bring in Whittingham, i cant believe people don't want to sign him.

Hes a left winger not a cental midfielder therefore wouldnt need to get ahead of king/wellens

Posted

I think our money would be better spent elsewhere. His main attribute is dead balls, and we already have Gallagher for that, we need pace on the other side I would say, so someone like Routledge would be a better option (if we even need anyone there at all)

Posted

Really you dont think we need a winger? we have dyer and vassell (cant cross) and gallagher/waghorn (no pace)

I think whittingham would be a good signing, but if we dont sign him i defo think we need a real winger

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the reason i say we don't need a new winger is because last season we had no problem in scoring goals, our problem was conceding them. We dont need out and out pace as we pass it well, however Vassell can get in behind defences and set goals up. I think we should make sure we have a good defence and someone to replace Yakubu eg Maynard. If we can do those things, I'm pretty sure we will not need a new winger. I can't remember people moaning much about our wing play last year, it may not be full of pace but it was effective, our full backs are where the pace is needed, Naughton was a key player in our team attacking wise last year, hopefully Peltier can do much the same. :scarf:

Posted

the reason i say we don't need a new winger is because last season we had no problem in scoring goals, our problem was conceding them. We dont need out and out pace as we pass it well, however Vassell can get in behind defences and set goals up. I think we should make sure we have a good defence and someone to replace Yakubu eg Maynard. If we can do those things, I'm pretty sure we will not need a new winger. I can't remember people moaning much about our wing play last year, it may not be full of pace but it was effective, our full backs are where the pace is needed, Naughton was a key player in our team attacking wise last year, hopefully Peltier can do much the same. :scarf:

If we want to have the option of playing 4-4-2, rather than 4-4-3 constantly, then we need wingers.

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