Surely I'm not the ONLY one who thinks it was never a pen?

[jamesmilner]

like i said , " stop talking shit " . i will hear the "wait for them to gel" shit too , and of course all refs hate us ! etc etc etc . get real , it was 2-0 and we made it that score !

[Corky]

And where did the penalty stem from?

Us just hoofing the ball upfield from a corner, with no players outside of our box pretty much. Gifting possession back to Birmingham so cheaply.

This has to stop. Either we leave players upfield or we're patient and play out from the back.

Possibly the most frustrating aspect of our game.

[Stay Positive]

like i said , " stop talking shit " . i will hear the "wait for them to gel" shit too , and of course all refs hate us ! etc etc etc . get real , it was 2-0 and we made it that score !

I don't think anyone is denying that we didn't deserve to get anything from the game though, JM. We didn't deserve anything, there's no doubt about that. I still thought he was a shit ref though.

[Lambert09]

The officials were good today, got most things spot on. We just lacked control. Still didn't stop me loosing my rag

[Benji]

Clear penalty - King stood on the guys foot/ankle. Clear red card - Mills jumped off the ground two footed. Really is that simple.

[tickler28]

RRegardless of whether he was right, he was bloody wrong to not give one to us.

Once again I reitterate the referee didn't get anything wrong. Admittedly it was almost a penalty but not enough of one to give us the kick. Watch the replay....king just runs into him.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

I don't think anyone is denying that we didn't deserve to get anything from the game though, JM. We didn't deserve anything, there's no doubt about that. I still thought he was a shit ref though.

Spot on, we were utter shite but the ref ruined the game with 3 or 4 shocking decisions

[Len Finsbury]

All the pundits are congratulating the referee for his performance and decisions. I thought he was shocking. You could tell he was going to make a pivotal "big" decision the way he came on at half time.

I agree with what you say about the referee apparent attitude before the second half. The way he strolled out looked like he wasn't interested. Similar to a child whose been told to do something he'd rather not do.

I'm not so sure about the 'shocking' comment though. The penalty could have been interpreted both ways. Even after the first few replays, I thought it was a terrible decision but then with the option of alternative angles, it probably was a penalty. He doesn't have the option of replays remember so he had to make a decision. The other thing to consider is that he may well have been asleep during the first half so in the interests of our national game, he might have awarded it to 'get things going'.

The red card was also deserved. There may not have been much contact but we all know, including the bloody players I might add, that a two footed lunge will get you sent off.

[Kitchandro]

I can't believe so many people (including the BBC) are ignoring the Beausejour on Peltier incident. That was a massive decision and he should have gone.

Not only should he have been sent off, but as we all know from Back to the Future and various time travel shows, it's likely Mills sending off wouldn't have happened.

[accessory]

Once again I reitterate the referee didn't get anything wrong. Admittedly it was almost a penalty but not enough of one to give us the kick. Watch the replay....king just runs into him.

He should have sent Beausejour off.

Ridgewell made contact with King's foot and not the ball. Therefore he should have given us a penalty.

Are you DB11 in disguise?

[Corky]

King was blatantly blocked off.

Anywhere outside the box and that's a free-kick. It was at the very least obstruction.

[CupidStunt]

It was a Pen imo.....Just about enough to give it, although he went down looking for it

Sending off, when i watched it Live, i thought he got the ball, which he did, but 2 Footed? what a complete nonce

We should of had a pen for Ridgewell's thought process throughout the game to blatantly block our players from getting to the ball.

And Beausejour should have walked also

Shocking result, considering how bad Birmingham looked, and i now hate Marlon King even more than before this match started, the overweight lump of shite

6 points against Watford and Millwall please Sven

[Al-aLondon-Foxile]

Wasnt a pen, King actually got the ball. Wasnt a sending off either, shit referee, did he bollocks get both pivotal decisions right

So a two footed lunge - both feet off the ground which allows no bodily control at impact - isn't a sending off then?

Come on, get real. If that was against us it's a red all day. Yes, he won the ball but we all know that those sorts of tackles are outlawed now, and rightly so.

[tickler28]

He should have sent Beausejour off.

Ridgewell made contact with King's foot and not the ball. Therefore he should have given us a penalty.

Are you DB11 in disguise?

Don't even fukking suggest that. We can bang on forever about referees decisions when the reality is we did ourselves no favours if we'd played with more directness and width we wouldn't even be talking about these decisions because we'd have won 4-2!

[unreachable]

Clear penalty - King stood on the guys foot/ankle. Clear red card - Mills jumped off the ground two footed. Really is that simple.

I don't agree. King kicked the ball first and the subsequent contact with Brum player's foot was unintentional. King did not intend to foul him so no penalty.

[Benji]

I don't agree. King kicked the ball first and the subsequent contact with Brum player's foot was unintentional. King did not intend to foul him so no penalty.

He didn't touch the ball, whatever his name is touched the ball away. The first camera angle was dubious, but a couple of others made it quite clear he didn't touch the ball.

[Babylon]

One angle looked like king got the ball, two others looked like he didn't. Right decision (just) if you ask me.

One of those games, I said the ref would send someone off and give a pen the way he strutted on second half, but it's hard to argue against really.

Let's move on.

[unreachable]

He didn't touch the ball, whatever his name is touched the ball away. The first camera angle was dubious, but a couple of others made it quite clear he didn't touch the ball.

You're right. I watched it again. The referee must have eagle eyes to be so certain from the angle he was watching from.

[Tuna]

the guy's dive was overly theatrical. that i find distasteful. but on reflection, kingy did clip the guy and he went down. we should have been in front by half-time in anycase.

[jonthefox]

I think it was.

[Stay Positive]

I think it was.

I'll have another look when i get home. I've only seen it once whilst I've been at work. I guess with so many people saying it was, it's worth re-viewing it.

[Trav Le Bleu]

If he gave theirs, which looked soft to say the least, he simply had to give ours for that shocking obstruction.

Similarly, if he sent Mills off for going in with both feet, he had to send off Beausejour for a similar challenge on Peltier.

He was infuriatingly inconsistent but we were negative beyond belief. We could, and should, have gone in winning at half-time.

As usual you pretty much said what I was going to say. Beausejour was already on a yellow too, so it needed only be a yellow for him to go.

As you say, we had a dead set peno too, the Brum player stuck his ass out to impede King. He probably wouldn't have go the ball, but that's not the point, because we'll never know cos he was fouled... which IS the point.

Mills was silly though - have to say though if there hadn't been a dodgy peno decision a few minutes earlier I don't think he would have made such a rash challenge - it was pure frustration, but as I say, no excuse.

Whilst Brum came back into it in the 2nd half I don't think you could tell they were one-man up for most of it. Their goals came from a poor peno decision and on the break when a 10 man team were throwing everything forward. Hardly the better team.

This game reminded me of the Forest game and probably frustrated me even more. Keven Wright? Kevin Wrong!

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

All the pundits are congratulating the referee for his performance and decisions. I thought he was shocking. You could tell he was going to make a pivotal "big" decision the way he came on at half time.

Come off it, mate. Are you for real?

[Guest ttfn]

As usual you pretty much said what I was going to say. Beausejour was already on a yellow too, so it needed only be a yellow for him to go.

As you say, we had a dead set peno too, the Brum player stuck his ass out to impede King. He probably wouldn't have go the ball, but that's not the point, because we'll never know cos he was fouled... which IS the point.

Mills was silly though - have to say though if there hadn't been a dodgy peno decision a few minutes earlier I don't think he would have made such a rash challenge - it was pure frustration, but as I say, no excuse.

Whilst Brum came back into it in the 2nd half I don't think you could tell they were one-man up for most of it. Their goals came from a poor peno decision and on the break when a 10 man team were throwing everything forward. Hardly the better team.

This game reminded me of the Forest game and probably frustrated me even more. Keven Wright? Kevin Wrong!

If Schmeichel's kick and Mills's first touch hadn't been so poor he wouldn't have dived in either. You can't attribute any blame to the referee for the Mills foul; it's exactly the sort of foul we should be looking to cut out of football.

[RonnieTodger]

So what if there's contact? Football's a contact sport. It's not like there was enough to send him in the air like he did or that he couldn't just take the shot, which he probably would have scored from. If you pat someone on the shoulder is that violent conduct? The referee was a joke and so were the pundits on BBC. Matt Mills was stupid however. You're spot on "Stay Positive". I just can't believe the day was messed up by some fat moron who shouldn't be anywhere near a whistle.