seenitall Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Winning 50% of your games in the Prem isn't a bed record, Pearson's 37% at Hull is partly because he didn't have what he could call his own team there till about halfway through the season. You can prove anything with stats though and given that all these stats are different divisions and different seasons/time periods they're meaningless I thought Sven only got his team together 13 games ago? Also, in football, what else matters other than winning (and playing the silky football we have always enjoyed at leicester)? Sven arguably had the toughest way of earning his win ratio as it was mostly in proper leagues - even O Neill won most of his games in a pretend 2 horse league Top has screwed up - no other way to look at it - we're up shit creek and the only paddles have crappy win rates!!
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 errm think this is a thread about Mark Hughes? MON would be most peoples first choice i beleive but after the messiah i think Mark Hughes and Roberto Di Matteo are two of the best choices currently without clubs, if we were to go poaching then Adkins at Soton (i know i must be on drugs etc etc) or Lambert at Norwich (i know both are unlikely as previously pointed out repeatedly by people who obviously dont think we are a BIG enough club to be attratctive to anyone!!!!)
cc_star Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I thought Sven only got his team together 13 games ago? Also, in football, what else matters other than winning (and playing the silky football we have always enjoyed at leicester)? Sven arguably had the toughest way of earning his win ratio as it was mostly in proper leagues - even O Neill won most of his games in a pretend 2 horse league Top has screwed up - no other way to look at it - we're up shit creek and the only paddles have crappy win rates!! Ridiculous, like my reply to you stats mean nothing without context. They dont tell you Sven bought nearly all the league titles he's won, and in football terms they were in a different era anyway, they dont tell you he spent over a qtr of a billion pounds to buy the Italian league, they don't tell you how many no-mark friendlies he won as England manager, they don't tell you that other managers mentioned had great achievements on a shoestring Like I said Topp did make a mistake, it was in appointing Sven in the first place & a second mistake in letting him spunk upto £20m on transfers, fees & contracts & we're stuck with Sven's 50% failure rate in the transfer market for the next 3 or 4 years. Stats need context to be meaningful.
lcfc81 Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Ridiculous, like my reply to you stats mean nothing without context. They dont tell you Sven bought nearly all the league titles he's won, and in football terms they were in a different era anyway, they dont tell you he spent over a qtr of a billion pounds to buy the Italian league, they don't tell you how many no-mark friendlies he won as England manager, they don't tell you that other managers mentioned had great achievements on a shoestring Like I said Topp did make a mistake, it was in appointing Sven in the first place & a second mistake in letting him spunk upto £20m on transfers, fees & contracts & we're stuck with Sven's 50% failure rate in the transfer market for the next 3 or 4 years. Stats need context to be meaningful. We do need to remember that appointing Sven has had a number of positives as well, most notably raising the profile of our football club. He was only given a 2 year contract, which now looks like very astute business. (and suggests the Thai's weren't 100% won over by him) Also we will only know how good or bad Svens signings are when we see how they are used by the new manager. Now I'm not saying appointing Sven was or wasn't a mistake, time can only really tell us that. Personally atm (and as long as Top et al can continue with the levels of investment they have started with) I feel our club have moved forward under Top.
Wink Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 If I remember right... Wasn't he touted as a potential successor to Sir Alex before he moved to Man City?? Can't be too bad!!
Toffee_Fox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 100% in talks, I'm in Miami at the moment so time difference is a tad of a problem but I'll try and find put more
Happy Fox Posted 30 October 2011 Author Posted 30 October 2011 100% in talks, I'm in Miami at the moment so time difference is a tad of a problem but I'll try and find put more Cheers enjoy your time in Miami.
liamsm Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 , proves nothing. A lot of Sven's wins were when he bought consecutive league titles for example spending quarter of a billion pounds to buy the Italian league or in a milion no name England friendlies. Sparky did wonders with Wales & saved Blackburn from relegation in his 1st season beforw going on to finish 6th in his second You see figures are nothing without context You're right though Top did balls up, but that was in appointing Sven in the 1st place & secondly giving him upto £20m to spunk up the wall in transfer fees, signing fees & unsustainable wages & leaving us with a team of under-achievers on upto 4 year contracts... You see for every Nugent there's a Beckford or for every Kasper there's an SSL or for every Peltier there's a Danns, or for every great signing there's a shit under-performer & the juries still out on people like Mills, Konch & others too. I can't wait for someone of O'Neill's, Sparky's or Davies mentality to come & sort this shower of shit out But add context to stats, it's the only thing that makes them worthwhile. So whereou get your stats on say Danns if he is that bad where is your evidence
liamsm Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 This.. If we get the right bloke in soon to whip this squad into shape, the season is far from over... There's loadsa games left to climb up that table and, with the exception of the top two, no team is standing out in any way shape or form. This squad does not have bad players in it... They need the correct calibre of boss to control them, to motivate them, to get them playing as a co-ordinated unit. The problem of course is that this may take a bit of time... Or it may be that they respond to a fresh approach immediately and hit the ground running. Get this right soon and I'm more than confident of this team being promoted... what a load of twaddle " This squad does not have bad players in it " what did Everton think of Beckford? they sold him to play a midfielder in his place says a lot, oh by an experienced manager as well,and then of course there is SSL, thats just 2 to rubbish your statement IMO
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 what a load of twaddle " This squad does not have bad players in it " what did Everton think of Beckford? they sold him to play a midfielder in his place says a lot, oh by an experienced manager as well,and then of course there is SSL, thats just 2 to rubbish your statement IMO When I knew we were signing SSL I was more than happy like the bulk of posters appeared to be? When we signed Beckford I weren't happy, unlike the bulk of the posters appeared to be? Not cos he's a crap striker, but because of his shite attitude. 20th century fox is spot in IMO. Get him right mentally and he'll start to play much better. We're you unhappy with the signings of SSL and Becks? Or just jumping on the bandwagon after the event?
Toffee_Fox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Everton sold him because the banks needed £15m of them, did they sell Arteta because he wasn't rated either?
seenitall Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I actually rate Hughes but only about as much as Sven or Keegan - all 3 of them are way better than all the other shite mentioned on here so let's hope we get him PS - Top is nothing to do with Topps tiles, in case you wondered
Webbo Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I actually rate Hughes but only about as much as Sven or Keegan - all 3 of them are way better than all the other shite mentioned on here so let's hope we get him PS - Top is nothing to do with Topps tiles, in case you wondered You know, I did. Thanks for clearing that up.
NewburyFox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 PS - Top is nothing to do with Topps tiles, in case you wondered Thanks for clearing that up
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I actually rate Hughes but only about as much as Sven or Keegan - all 3 of them are way better than all the other shite mentioned on here so let's hope we get him PS - Top is nothing to do with Topps tiles, in case you wondered You sure? I thought he was?
Jace Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I actually rate Hughes but only about as much as Sven or Keegan - all 3 of them are way better than all the other shite mentioned on here so let's hope we get him PS - Top is nothing to do with Topps tiles, in case you wondered Doesn't Top own Topps Tiles? I thought that's why they sponsored us?
funkyrobot Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Doesn't Top own Topps Tiles? I thought that's why they sponsored us? No he made his money from the ownership of the music show 'top of the pops' I thought everyone knew that.
seenitall Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Not me who uses 2 'pp's - what kind of a name is 'Top' anyway?
Jace Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 No he made his money from the ownership of the music show 'top of the pops' I thought everyone knew that. I thought it was a similar arrangement to when Walkers sponsored us because we had Ian Walker Not me who uses 2 'pp's - what kind of a name is 'Top' anyway? I think it's a top name
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 I thought it was a similar arrangement to when Walkers sponsored us because we had Ian Walker I think its a top name No! that was 'Walkers Crisps'..also owned by Top (p) unless I'm much mistaken?
HoustonFox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 The more I think about it, the more the thought of Hughes appeals. He sorts out defences, has discipline and a grinder's mentality (something we have been lacking) and most of all he is a winner. My only doubt is his style of football but hey, if we start winning who cares about that? Also, what is his record on bringing through young talent? Genuine question, I just can't remember. I think he brought Daniel Sturridge into the first team before he left City but I think his Blackburn team were pretty old. Still would like Clark to be honest as he plays the game the right way, has an eye for talent (Pelts, Pilkington) but he has built a team with Huddersfield so would he walk away from that project? Doesn't do much for his credibility. Here's hoping for some real news tomorrow.
Guest MattP Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 100% in talks, I'm in Miami at the moment so time difference is a tad of a problem but I'll try and find put more Get down to SoBe and stop posting on here!!
Guest shearfox Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Hughes was my second choice if we didn't get MON, his record in the prem is relatively good. I will be happy if we managed to get him in.
Finnegan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Obviously Martin was the dream but, as I've said all along, be chuffed with Sparky as a second bet. Top gaffer, I hate all this "they need to know the division" bullshit. Fuck that, they need to know success, they need to know football, they need to know WINNING. There's nothing special about the Championship, the only catch with managing in this league if you've only ever managed in the top flight is knowing what players to attract to the club. But, I'm sorry, our playing staff isn't the problem. The personnel is there.
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 October 2011 Posted 30 October 2011 Obviously Martin was the dream but, as I've said all along, be chuffed with Sparky as a second bet. Top gaffer, I hate all this "they need to know the division" bullshit. Fuck that, they need to know success, they need to know football, they need to know WINNING. There's nothing special about the Championship, the only catch with managing in this league if you've only ever managed in the top flight is knowing what players to attract to the club. But, I'm sorry, our playing staff isn't the problem. The personnel is there.
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