MGLCFC Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 You've missed the point - I'm saying people thought Fryatt and Hobbs were ok when they played for Leicester - hell Hobbs got player of the year. They weren't that bad - I'm not suggesting they come back or anything, but with the squad here at present with the addition of 1 or 2 quality players (namely a class winger and ball winning midfielder) we could become promotion contenders again. In Pearson's defence, our teams were always physical fit for the campaign, something that has been lacking for the past two campaigns
Suffolk_fox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Pearson's last season the play off season he was very very good until he got injured. And go and check his record at Hull, it's also very good. Anyway, he's a Hull player, I was just making the point that some players do better under different managers. Let's hope this is also true of Beckford! I agree with your point about players doing better under different managers - it would be very interesting to see what our squad would do under NP and his fitness regime.... Oh, and just for the record (going OT) - I put £10 on Keane being our next manager after a worker at a casino was told by one of our owners that a deal with him was 90% certain....
inckley fox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Because that's what his results demonstrate. http://www.hullcityafc.net/page/Fixtures I'll make it easier. Goals for Hull this season, match by match... 0,0,1,1,0,1,1,1,1,1,2,0,3,1,1,0. That's 14 goals in 16 games. What is it that fails to convince you? Division One has sod all to do with it. Anything less that promotion and the goals you mentioned would have beenn abject failure. How does League One have sod all to do with it? 50% of his games as City boss and nearly a third of his entire managerial career can't be conveniently pushed to one side just so you can say he's a defensive manager! Especially when that third of his career was responsible for his team being the top goalscorers in English football! And he did it with a side who'd had the worst goalscoring record in the Championship a year earlier! Plus, when you say 'the goals you mentioned would have been an abject failure' were we not promoted, doesn't that also apply to this season? Hull are above us, a point outside the play-offs with a game in hand on some of the clubs above them. Yes we have scored more goals than them - as we did last year - but surely those goals would be 'an abject failure' if Hull remain above us for the rest of the season, no? Let's forget points, promotions, league placings and defensive records, if you wish. We scored over sixty goals in the Championship with Pearson as boss, with a strike force that cost him absolutely nothing to assemble. We have scored more under Sven but our goals to game average in the thirteen games he managed this season was lower than that of our Championship season with Pearson. And this was with some of the highest earners we've ever had in our squad up front - how much, on the other hand, did Pearson spend on Waghorn, Fryatt, Kermorgant, Vaughan and Howard? As for the notion that Pearson did nothing more than was expected of him in League One - as you suggest - well maybe you should tell fans of Leeds that. They didn't exactly bounce straight back did they? And what about Sheffield Wednesday, Plymouth Argyle, Southend, Luton, Crewe, Gillingham, Rotherham - or Scunthorpe and Colchester (who came down with us)? Look at sides like Southampton, Charlton, Millwall and Forest who all took time to bounce back. There have been more examples of sides going down and staying down than there have of sides returning instantly, as we did under Pearson. I don't share your determination for flowery, "attacking" football as I'm more interested in my football team winning (I remember people who thought David Pleat was far better than Brian Little for precisely this reason - and I know people who wouldn't have Mourinho at Leicester because of his penchant for tight 1-0 wins in England and Italy). Yet, even if we discount the trifling issue of points, it's still inaccurate to consider Pearson a purely negative manager, and even more unfair to so casually detract from what he achieved - as a very attacking manager - in League One.
ARM1968 Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Guess they couldn't accept MON's demands then. Perhaps only 6 months was not enough for them. Personally I'd have taken the risk in the hope he decided to stay once here!
SpartakAnj Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 i love how ppeople select the postitive things ONLY to try and make it sound better.. how about Robbie nielson for example ??? and we dont really need to be buying many players. 1 or 2 at most.. we need a manager who can work WITH the players we have... motivate and organise them.. the squad is already there.. This. Do we want to spend the time and money and rebuilding the squad again? Whoever the new manager is, they will want to bring in their own players which wont be be a problem as a the owners have said there is money to spend in January. What worries me is that there are alot of players in the squad that dont fit Pearson's style of play. Bringing in one or to in January is fine but what if Person decides he needs to change five or six players? He will then have to remove players he does not want and bring new ones in. That will take time and resources. It is naive to think that Pearson will change his style of play because we have a more talented squad on paper. He will build a team to suit his style and tactics. I don't think the current players in the squad match that style or those tactics. We would have to rebuild the squad. Again. This constant rebuilding of the squad is not conducive to long term success.
whoareyaaa Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 This. Do we want to spend the time and money and rebuilding the squad again? Whoever the new manager is, they will want to bring in their own players which wont be be a problem as a the owners have said there is money to spend in January. What worries me is that there are alot of players in the squad that dont fit Pearson's style of play. Bringing in one or to in January is fine but what if Person decides he needs to change five or six players? He will then have to remove players he does not want and bring new ones in. That will take time and resources. It is naive to think that Pearson will change his style of play because we have a more talented squad on paper. He will build a team to suit his style and tactics. I don't think the current players in the squad match that style or those tactics. We would have to rebuild the squad. Again. This constant rebuilding of the squad is not conducive to long term success. I think the simple fact is Sven has done good work in the transfer market in getting the players he has in, It was getting the best out of the players and team, formation that has fvcked him up... If Pearson or any other manager was to come in there wouldn't need to be many more changes TBH.
SpartakAnj Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 I think the simple fact is Sven has done good work in the transfer market in getting the players he has in, It was getting the best out of the players and team, formation that has fvcked him up... If Pearson or any other manager was to come in there wouldn't need to be many more changes TBH. I agree but Nigel Pearson may not. He might think that the players in the squad do not suit his style or tactics. If that is the case he will want to change the players and that will mean rebuilding the squad. Again.
seenitall Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 I think the simple fact is Sven has done good work in the transfer market in getting the players he has in, It was getting the best out of the players and team, formation that has fvcked him up... If Pearson or any other manager was to come in there wouldn't need to be many more changes TBH. "After 13 games, letting in only 3 goals (1 pen) in seven games before one poor defeat at home and a thumping win over Derby and a bounce back after Birmingham" should be inserted after after fvucked him up
ajthefox Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 The more this goes on the more I'm beginning to lose faith in our owners. No-one knows for sure who we have approached in the past couple of weeks, but to me it's looking more and more likely that sacking Sven was not quite so calculated, and that the Thai's have underestimated the task at hand.
ARM1968 Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Think we're still suffering the Mandric effect. Thai's have only reall sacked 1.
seenitall Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 careful aj - the board doesn't encourage dissent where Top is concerned because he is rich and nice
Alf Bentley Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 +1: Excellent post Not sure whether or not Pearson is the best long-term choice, but I'd certainly be happier with the club gambling on him than most others who are being mentioned - and regardless of that, it was criminal that he was forced out 18 months ago, whoever's fault it was. My best guess is that if he was appointed we'd have a very good chance of play-offs, at least, maybe even an automatic spot. He wouldn't need to change the existing squad too much and has proven ability at providing organisation, discipline, resilience and leadership - all qualities that have been sorely lacking, despite the undoubted quality of most of the squad. Whether he has the ability to succeed in the Premier League is anyone's guess... As for his "unattractive, defensive football", this is exaggerated. He may not be gung-ho like Keegan or Holloway (at Blackpool, not here!), but there's a lot to be said for starting with organisation and resilience, then building the attractive football on those foundations. When Pearson was here, I rarely felt that we were out of a game, even when losing or being dominated; in contrast, under Sven, I rarely felt that we had a game in the bag, even when we were winning or playing beautiful passing football. If you do come back, Nigel, try and bring Robert Koren with you, will you ?! How does League One have sod all to do with it? 50% of his games as City boss and nearly a third of his entire managerial career can't be conveniently pushed to one side just so you can say he's a defensive manager! Especially when that third of his career was responsible for his team being the top goalscorers in English football! And he did it with a side who'd had the worst goalscoring record in the Championship a year earlier! Plus, when you say 'the goals you mentioned would have been an abject failure' were we not promoted, doesn't that also apply to this season? Hull are above us, a point outside the play-offs with a game in hand on some of the clubs above them. Yes we have scored more goals than them - as we did last year - but surely those goals would be 'an abject failure' if Hull remain above us for the rest of the season, no? Let's forget points, promotions, league placings and defensive records, if you wish. We scored over sixty goals in the Championship with Pearson as boss, with a strike force that cost him absolutely nothing to assemble. We have scored more under Sven but our goals to game average in the thirteen games he managed this season was lower than that of our Championship season with Pearson. And this was with some of the highest earners we've ever had in our squad up front - how much, on the other hand, did Pearson spend on Waghorn, Fryatt, Kermorgant, Vaughan and Howard? As for the notion that Pearson did nothing more than was expected of him in League One - as you suggest - well maybe you should tell fans of Leeds that. They didn't exactly bounce straight back did they? And what about Sheffield Wednesday, Plymouth Argyle, Southend, Luton, Crewe, Gillingham, Rotherham - or Scunthorpe and Colchester (who came down with us)? Look at sides like Southampton, Charlton, Millwall and Forest who all took time to bounce back. There have been more examples of sides going down and staying down than there have of sides returning instantly, as we did under Pearson. I don't share your determination for flowery, "attacking" football as I'm more interested in my football team winning (I remember people who thought David Pleat was far better than Brian Little for precisely this reason - and I know people who wouldn't have Mourinho at Leicester because of his penchant for tight 1-0 wins in England and Italy). Yet, even if we discount the trifling issue of points, it's still inaccurate to consider Pearson a purely negative manager, and even more unfair to so casually detract from what he achieved - as a very attacking manager - in League One.
seenitall Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Think we're still suffering the Mandric effect. Thai's have only reall sacked 1. or driven one out (NP) sacked 2 (Sousa and Sven) and can't find number 4 - wonder why, after all that in their first 16 months
m00nie Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 The more this goes on the more I'm beginning to lose faith in our owners. No-one knows for sure who we have approached in the past couple of weeks, but to me it's looking more and more likely that sacking Sven was not quite so calculated, and that the Thai's have underestimated the task at hand. why do people keep saying there losing faith... as you say we dont know what the fook is going off... your letting paper talk and rumours make your mind up for you.. im pretty sure you dont turn into a multi millionaire by being thick (lottery winners, spoon fed etc not included)
lcfc81 Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 The more this goes on the more I'm beginning to lose faith in our owners. No-one knows for sure who we have approached in the past couple of weeks, but to me it's looking more and more likely that sacking Sven was not quite so calculated, and that the Thai's have underestimated the task at hand. Lets get a bit of perspective, there is an international break looming. Why rush? All that counts is we get the right man. I personally think the Burnley result brought us a bit of time. No snap decisions.
JaxDemon Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 I think they only bought Sven in cause they knew he would be able to get top players from his contacts, I don't think they really wanted him. Bit of a farce we don't have a manager yet. Pearson would be daft to leave Hull to come back here where he could be sacked if he don't get promotion straight away.
m00nie Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 I think they only bought Sven in cause they knew he would be able to get top players from his contacts, I don't think they really wanted him. Bit of a farce we don't have a manager yet. Pearson would be daft to leave Hull to come back here where he could be sacked if he don't get promotion straight away. i think svens "contacts" is one of the biggest over estimated statements going... nothing to prove he has them.. remember couple times (striker for example) pepole was banging on about it and saying he would bring one in from somewhere but he just kept tryin and trying to get maynard and no secret weapon appeared.. No farce about it either, new manager wouldnt have been in control for today anyway unless he was here a while back, with the win in the week its safe to allow MS to take it with the international break coming up...
nuttytimmy Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 i think svens "contacts" is one of the biggest over estimated statements going... nothing to prove he has them.. remember couple times (striker for example) pepole was banging on about it and saying he would bring one in from somewhere but he just kept tryin and trying to get maynard and no secret weapon appeared.. Johnson, Schmeichel, Fernandes?
m00nie Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Johnson, Schmeichel, Fernandes? anyone could have contacted man city.. money talks.. most his players are ones hes worked with in the past also..
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Well done Hull! Keep the tin pot creep. :thumbup:
jumbo mills Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 Ive just tried to place a bet with ladbrokes about leicesters new manager and they said its been suspended the betting, beacuse they have been told Nigel Pearsons our new manager
jumbo mills Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 yes i asked the odds and they said its been suspended beacuse nigel pearson is the man
Phube Posted 6 November 2011 Posted 6 November 2011 In the middle of the 2nd half against Leeds? They've been watching us play...
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