cc_star Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Even Kasper alluded to the fact that the players haven't got the mental strength to deal with expectation maybe they should take a leaf out of his book. they must be weak people then
Bayfox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 I've posted on here recently admitting to being one of the 200 or so you stayed after the Sheff Utd game and voiced my opinion that O'neill had taken the team backwards during the begining of his reign I was 15 or so at the time. Yesterday, I couldn't even be bothered to boo the players ( I think they know they are sh!t ), thats how far the club has fallen in the last 2 years, I havent even got the energy to be bothered, something I think can be said is reflected by some of the performances on the pitch, mills, gally, wellens, king, beckford to name a few. But I believe that fans pay there money, they go to be entertained, unless they are just there out of blind loyalty, they are therefore entitled to voice an opinion, if your owners set you a target and you fail to meet it, you would be sacked, NOT FOOTBALLERS, they still pick up their nice pay packets and have a job the next week. Read whatever you like into the above, but the original 3 posts that refer to people who boo as plastic, I'd ask am I plastic, having had a season ticket at a cost of over £300 a season for 20 years, meaning a spend alone of £6k and 18 years of travelling away and 7 years of Wembley trips etc, and there will be people that go a lot more than I do, They are not plastic, they are the life blood of our club, that will be here long after the players, managers and owners, if they feel a need to boo, then I say let them.
5waller5 Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Fair enough to anyone who wants to 'voice their discontent' now and then, if they're actually going to spend most the time getting behind the team. Far too many cvnts at the KP though who don't sing all game then boo at the end, who groan loudly at a wayward pass but don't bother to applaud a decent one. Unless we play well from start to finish and win comfortably, I find home games pretty painful due to the amount of misery and negativity in the stands. Got maximum respect for people who put up with that every fortnight. I agree. It drives me nuts hearing negativity all the time, whether it's warranted or not .... I've never booed in my life ... But i've never felt more like it than saturday either!
shade Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Do you live in the real world? My boss doesn't come up to me at the end of every day of the week and give me shit for a couple of hours. Do you know why!? Because I do a good ****ing job! I'm competent! I'm matching the expectations of my employers and producing work that equates to the resources put in. In fact, to toot my own horn, I'm doing better than expected with what I'm given!! But if I wasn't? I'd ACCEPT a bollocking because good money is being paid in my bank account for me to sit at my desk, concentrate and work hard to produce! Our owners have invested MILLIONS in this club, we've all paid THOUSANDS of our own money to watch this team and the least we can expect is competence! Football fans don't boo and harrass teams that are playing well, that are visibly showing effort and endeavour. I can forgive a losing side that's at least well organized, hard working and giving it's best but this one just falls short on every front. I say again, I did NOT boo today and I absolutely never have. But I'm not going to sit there like some mouth-breathing, arse-scratching happy-clapper with a sub-human IQ and cheer my guts out like I'm actually happy to see my team roll over and concede defeat to a side vastly it's inferior. Supporters do not make or break results. Nor do we go in to the stadium and boo from the off, people start to boo and shout when players start playing consistently ****ing awfully week after week after week. It's our way of giving feed back because we have no platform to give appraisals directly despite the huge investment we put in in time and money. The players shouldn't need us to be partying like it's whatever year's trendy at the moment. They should be able to sit down in that dressing ground or on that training pitch, put their heads together, connect and motivate themselves. That's their job. yes.
flowwolf Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 This. I can understand everyone going quiet after a while if we're playing shocking but there's just so little enthusiasm from the start. Where's the attempt to enjoy yourself? Yes and where is their attempt to actually earn their ridiculous wages ? They had no " enthusiasm" on Saturday in fact they had an air of " couldn't give a fvck " Is it any wonder we fear the worse even before a ball is kicked ?
HullBenny Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 What positive impact has Pearson made on the team since his arrival ? We were 9th when Sven was sacked, 2 points off the play offs. We are Currently 15th under Pearson and 5 pts off the play offs WE ARE PLAYING ABSOLUTE DROSS ALL OVER THE PITCH (Apart from Kasper Schmeichel who has been the one ray of hope) Yet Pearson accuses the fans of having "Delusions of grandeu" IF THIS IS WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM PEARSON, WE HAVE MADE A BIG MISTAKE APPOINTING HIM. . Ibbo where have you gone? We miss you on the City Independent forum.
GianEmmo Zola Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Some moronic arsehole behind booed when they were reading the team out at the start! Absolute disgrace ! Money has wrecked football. Does any one else miss when we were happily plodding along under nige last time around and milan up top! Haha. So much more enjoyable to go down to the kp and to away games back in the day ! I no we struggled most years but the team that was put out tried their hardest for the fans to get a result, the fans got behind the players. ! I used to look forward to going to games. But now their is far to much expectation! I want us to be a happy, less well off, football club! And to have players that play for the shirt! Not for the moolah!
z-layrex Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Some moronic arsehole behind booed when they were reading the team out at the start! Absolute disgrace ! Money has wrecked football. Does any one else miss when we were happily plodding along under nige last time around and milan up top! Haha. So much more enjoyable to go down to the kp and to away games back in the day ! I no we struggled most years but the team that was put out tried their hardest for the fans to get a result, the fans got behind the players. ! I used to look forward to going to games. But now their is far to much expectation! I want us to be a happy, less well off, football club! And to have players that play for the shirt! Not for the moolah! It won't always be like this.
Happy Fox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Some moronic arsehole behind booed when they were reading the team out at the start! Absolute disgrace ! Money has wrecked football. Does any one else miss when we were happily plodding along under nige last time around and milan up top! Haha. So much more enjoyable to go down to the kp and to away games back in the day ! I no we struggled most years but the team that was put out tried their hardest for the fans to get a result, the fans got behind the players. ! I used to look forward to going to games. But now their is far to much expectation! I want us to be a happy, less well off, football club! And players that play for the shirt! Not for the moolah! We cannot blame the money, but we must utilize it properly we have forked out obscene amount of money in wages and transfer fee for players at this level, you only have to look at other teams in this division there highest earner's are probably on 14,000 ours on the other hand are on 35,000, we need young hungry players from the lower leagues to instill that mentality of fighting for the promotion cause.
Simmo86 Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Don't do it myself but you can't blame people for booing at H/T and F/T yesterday, it was complete and utter dross! That said booing during the game is completely counter productive! Not going to help one bit!
GianEmmo Zola Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 We cannot blame the money, but we must utilize it properly we have forked out obscene amount of money in wages and transfer fee for players at this level, you only have to look at other teams in this division there highest earner's are probably on 14,000 ours on the other hand are on 35,000, we need young hungry players from the lower leagues to instill that mentality of fighting for the promotion cause. I hate us having big bucks to spend tho! When it first happened the thais coming in it was so exciting! Finally our team that has struggled but entertained us or years has now got lots of money to spend and big name manager at the helm! But bringing us to the present day it hasnt helped us 1 bit! What dya reckon? Just hope pearson can get us turned round and on the up bring in a few hungry quality players and give it a real go ! If we dont make the top 6 so be it! Just giving it a go. Players playing for the club/fans and giving the fans some entertainment/passion/fight. Then fans will be leave the ground happy and upbeat! Looking forward to the next outing! But at the minute. Fans are turning up expecting the worst !
m00nie Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 We cannot blame the money, but we must utilize it properly we have forked out obscene amount of money in wages and transfer fee for players at this level, you only have to look at other teams in this division there highest earner's are probably on 14,000 ours on the other hand are on 35,000, we need young hungry players from the lower leagues to instill that mentality of fighting for the promotion cause. whos on 35k for us??
Kitchandro Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Yes and where is their attempt to actually earn their ridiculous wages ? They had no " enthusiasm" on Saturday in fact they had an air of " couldn't give a fvck " Is it any wonder we fear the worse even before a ball is kicked ? It's got nothing to do with them. If I'm in the singing section and people around me are supposedly in there for the same reason, why do they not sing? I don't mean after half time, after we've conceded or even after the 27th misplaced pass, I mean in the first 10 minutes. Nobody has any positivity, rightly or wrongly. A lot of people in there don't seem to care unless we are doing shit, until then those chavvy kids that booed are pissing about amongst themselves, not singing along to When You're Smiling or most chants for that matter. Our fanbase needs to start having some pride in itself, we might not be able to have pride in the team, but when we want to we can create a great atmosphere and show the support other clubs would be jealous of. Why can't that have some importance as well? A lot of people aren't even attempting to enjoy themselves or create an atmosphere. As somebody else has said, you go there knowing full well that we are crap, so why go there if you're not going to shrug it off and show some belief for a short while? I'm in no way defending the players nor do I feel any sympathy for them, but I, and I suspect other people as well, might enjoy it more if we made a bit of noise at least to start with.
Kitchandro Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Don't do it myself but you can't blame people for booing at H/T and F/T yesterday, it was complete and utter dross! That said booing during the game is completely counter productive! Not going to help one bit! That's the thing. I don't boo during the game because there is no positive to come out of it. Forget for a minute whether it negatively effects the players. How does it help anyone? Is not even a very good release of anger. Shouting and swearing is much better. And if it's 'feedback' (not very detailed feedback though is it?) why continuously boo? You only need one set of boos to make it clear you're not happy. Doing it every time someone makes a shocking pass is pointless. People say players shouldn't be affected by the fans booing, but lets face it, I think most people boo as some kind of revenge. You don't believe it doesn't affect them, you do it in the hope that it makes them feel bad, because you're angry. You know it mostly likely affects them because you know humans. The big negative of booing for me is it makes us look like twats. It doesn't do our reputation any favours and it doesn't make me feel much pride in our fanbase. Not when it's done constantly during the match.
flowwolf Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 It's got nothing to do with them. If I'm in the singing section and people around me are supposedly in there for the same reason, why do they not sing? I don't mean after half time, after we've conceded or even after the 27th misplaced pass, I mean in the first 10 minutes. Nobody has any positivity, rightly or wrongly. A lot of people in there don't seem to care unless we are doing shit, until then those chavvy kids that booed are pissing about amongst themselves, not singing along to When You're Smiling or most chants for that matter. Our fanbase needs to start having some pride in itself, we might not be able to have pride in the team, but when we want to we can create a great atmosphere and show the support other clubs would be jealous of. Why can't that have some importance as well? A lot of people aren't even attempting to enjoy themselves or create an atmosphere. As somebody else has said, you go there knowing full well that we are crap, so why go there if you're not going to shrug it off and show some belief for a short while? I'm in no way defending the players nor do I feel any sympathy for them, but I, and I suspect other people as well, might enjoy it more if we made a bit of noise at least to start with. Oh you mean sing like the band did on the titanic ? We are not talking about the odd crap match we can shrug them off it's the constant shit attitude or ineptitude ( take your pick ) of the players, all of who are on money you would die for. I go there because I was mug enough to have faith and buy a season ticket, I bloke next to me paid £ 27.00 to watch those lazy sods shame this club at the weekend. His parting shot was" I paid hard earned money to come here today and what for ? " And you expect us sing our hearts out for players who are just taking the money and taking the piss, Your having a laugh.
Captain... Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 The thing is, and this is what pisses me off, some fans seem to want to see us fail and get on the team's back, to push their agenda that this player is crap, or we shouldn't have sacked Sven, some fans love it, as we see posted on here everyday, I think the only players that haven't been abused on here are Kasper, Kennedy and Moore. If the players read this forum I am not surprised they don't play with any passion. We all want to be the manager, choose the team, make the right signing etc, but we can't, the only thing we can affect, as fans, is the atmosphere, whether or not you believe they will react better to a good atmosphere or not is irrelevant, if you create a good atmosphere you will have more fun, maybe lighten up a little and realise it is not that important.
Guy Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 I've never once booed our team in my 30+ years of supporting the Foxes and have never once left the stadium before the final whistle. I might have been a tad unenthusiastic whenever I've clapped the team off the pitch after a defeat but have never understood for the life of me why people booh their own team and manager - and applaud when certain players get subbed, what's that all about?!. The players don't ask to be overpaid by the club's wealthy owners - or do they?! Maybe that's what has attracted the so called stars to the club over the summer but at the end oif the day even booing under performing players doesn't help the team or club's cause one iota. Simple, end of! Guess I am "old skool"!
Kitchandro Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Oh you mean sing like the band did on the titanic ? We are not talking about the odd crap match we can shrug them off it's the constant shit attitude or ineptitude ( take your pick ) of the players, all of who are on money you would die for. I go there because I was mug enough to have faith and buy a season ticket, I bloke next to me paid £ 27.00 to watch those lazy sods shame this club at the weekend. His parting shot was" I paid hard earned money to come here today and what for ? " And you expect us sing our hearts out for players who are just taking the money and taking the piss, Your having a laugh. I think you've completely missed the point for the second time
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Advertising = fans sponsorship = fans broadcasting= fans Ticket sales = fans make no mistake... the fans pay the wages the fans buy the advertised products the fans go to the stores that sponsor the fans pay the licence or subscription to watch the fans buy the tickets. NO fans... NO highly paid professional footballers You are either being deliberately disingenuous or you failed to understand what I said in the post (which I have quoted again so it is perfectly visible what you are referring to). You are implying that I made the claim that fans were not necessary; examine the post again and see if you can say exactly which part conveys the message 'fans are not necessary'. I clearly made a distinction between fans and individual boo-boys who masquerade as fans. I do not see how it is possible to be a 'fan' of a football team and simultaneously boo that football team; you don't support them because they win, you support them because they are your team. The point is that people talk as if their individual financial contribution means as much to the club as it does to them; it doesn't. As the people who pay these people, fans have a right to express their disatisfaction with how they are performing the duties they are paid for. Firstly, you have that right anyway. Nobody is trying to curtail your 'right to express [your] dissatisfaction'. You don't need to buy this right because you already have it, and it's quite painful to see so many people fail to understand this. Read what I said about having rights and arbitrarily exercising them; just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Secondly, you do not pay these people. You have no contractual agreement with them; the club pays them and the club gets its money from a variety of different sources. Yes, a certain portion of that money comes from ticket sales (at no point have I suggested otherwise), but your individual contribution is pathetically small compared to the sums of money being moved around inside the football club. Even the sum total of each boo-boy's ticket price would fail to make a significant dent in the club's finances if it halted, and if it did it would be offset in other ways. The point is that people like you continue to over-value their own contribution to the club and refuse to accept their own insignificance as a 'fan'. Agreed most of us dont get bboed and yelled at at work.. but then most of us also dont get people walking around with our names on their backs and being paid sh!tloads for playing a game most would do for free. Firstly, you and many others seem to think that the players have had their humanity bought off them in the form of a thick wage packet. What you are in effect saying is that the wages they get paid aren't wages but compensation. It doesn't work like that; no amount of money will stop you from being human. Secondly, the point is not whether most people would do it for free (which they wouldn't, most people would not train every day and alter their exercise, diet, and social habits accordingly for free), but that high wages are necessary when salary is a major factor in a player's decision to play for the club. Any area of business in which human beings are a major commodity has this; top universities pay ridiculous amounts of money to top lecturers, top corporations pay exceedingly high amounts to those sitting in the higher echelons of the organisation's hierarchy, and the most sought-after surgeons are offered enormous sums of money by private health organisations to work for them. This really is such a stupid thing to say it barely warrants a response .... BUT .... I'm curious how you can begin to justify your statements now you're sober .... If the club had no fans.... where would the money to run a club come from?? Read my response above. so why are people like yourself cryng over it?? If it dosent effect teh players then how can you moan at the fans for doing it ?? cant have it both ways Perhaps I should clarify; players take no notice of the content of so-called fans' appraisals of them. Whether or not they respond to the 'mood' of the appraisal would be down to resolve of the individual player. What they are not interested in is Mike Everytwat in Oadby saying he won't go to any more games until we get an 'out and out striker', or John the Div from Loughborough claiming with all the certainty that an educationally subnormal, overweight, balding middle-aged man can have that the midfield are a bit apathetic. But you raise an interesting point which is that the best that can possibly happen as a result of booing and slating your own players is nothing. Out of all the outcomes, the best is that there is no discernible change in how the players play. I still ask the question to people who boo: What is the best outcome you envisage as a result of booing? This is officially the single stupidest post I have ever seen on this forum. Congratulations MarshallForEngland, that's quite an achievement The rationale behind this woeful excuse of a reply is disconcertingly absent. Would you care to respond to individual points I made with why you think they contributed to the 'single stupidest post' you have ever seen? If not, why post this cowardly jibe instead? ----------- Original post: It is amusing that some people appear to genuinely believe that their paltry contribution of the price of a ticket affords their opinions an extra layer of authenticity. Regardless of how much of your own wages you spend and how out-of-pocket you are, the sums of money each of you moaners contribute to the club is so negligible as a percentage of its total revenue (sponsorship & advertising, broadcasting, private investment, ticket sales to people who aren't divs etc) that you really are entirely expendable. Nobody gives a shiny shite about your 'right to say what you want', least of all the manager and the players. When you buy a ticket, you don't also purchase with it the right to have your opinions heard and valued. You have always had the right to say your opinions, but in most other areas of life you don't arbitrarily exercise your rights merely because you can; just because you are able to shout at your own players and boo them, it doesn't mean you are obliged to. Given that players learn very early on to take literally no notice of the horseshit that braindead 'fans' insist on throwing in their direction, how many of the 'I've paid my money so I'll do what I want' brigade are willing to venture what they believe is the best outcome of their constant derogation of their own team's players? What can it actually do?
crafty fox Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 i have no complaint if people around me boo it is their opinion and they have paid for that privelage, however if you take out the football/entertainment scenario and compare it to people doing there jobs in everyday life, i for one would not like to turn up at work and be put down by the gaffers or my colleugues everyday you would simply end up hating your job and would dread going to work, i dont know if footballers see it like this and i know its not really a true reflection on the situation. i dont boo but i did shout some very obscene language at gallagher on saturday because he was shocking. thereis alot of frustration and i cant see it ending to soon at all ive never known the fans to take it out on so many players over the years. one thing that surprised me though was the chanting for beckford after all the shit hes had the fans actually wanted him on so there is a big divide between the fans also. ive read pearsons post match interview today and he makes some good points regarding building a team and not having individuals but he dont do himself any favours with his selections. he bombed st ledger out yet he finds himself on the bench ? i suppose its like playing cards, if youve got a shit hand you can only play what your dealt with but some people are better at cards than others!
AdamN Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 however if you take out the football/entertainment scenario and compare it to people doing there jobs in everyday life, i for one would not like to turn up at work and be put down by the gaffers or my colleugues everyday you would simply end up hating your job and would dread going to work If I went to work and consistently put in half arsed shifts, without getting the job done, I'd expect to be down the job centre come Monday morning.
Raj Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Lets just happy clap the team.They are trying their best. The poor little cherrubs! Must be so hard betting the odd boo here and there for a shitty display. Still im sure they enjoyed themselves Saturday evening eh? Its all the fans fault!!
Raj Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 You cant keep robotically applauding and trying to egg the team on when they are complete mess. If you do they will actually think they are playing well!!
crafty fox Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 If I went to work and consistently put in half arsed shifts, without getting the job done, I'd expect to be down the job centre come Monday morning. like i said its not really a true reflection of the situation, i agree with what your saying and hopefully a few players will be told the same !
Raj Posted 16 January 2012 Posted 16 January 2012 Anyone who insults a players wife/partner etc...Is just a pathetic cvnt.
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