bmt Posted 3 July 2012 Share Posted 3 July 2012 I don't understand how teams can miss out on being a cat A, either you fill the criteria or not surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out Foxed Posted 3 July 2012 Share Posted 3 July 2012 I don't understand how teams can miss out on being a cat A, either you fill the criteria or not surely? you present a file/prospectus to the FA and they come down (i believe this has already been done) and see if you're correct. you can try for cat a and not get it. it's the clubs judgement call as far as i'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonthefox Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 @lutterworthfoxPaul Rains Leicester set to join the elite Category A Acadamies from next season and will need to invest around 2.8 m per annum to maintain the status Good news. Theres a picture of my lad on his twitter page....just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 , some of you lot are funny. Bless you. I bet all those saying "fvck the other clubs, we are big so let's enjoy it" are behind the banks yeah? I bet you never moan about the way they treat the little folk? Poor old Mr Diamond eh? In life, it is abhorent to support somehting which benefits the rich and disadvantages the poor just because you happen to fall on the rich side. In football, this new system really is a disgrace and Col City Fan don't pipe up with anything, your arguments give me a headache, self rightiousness always does. We should be fighting for a fair and level starting point for all teams. If some teams then do better than others due to innovation, new techniques, a touch of tactical genius then fair enough but they should not do well because they have a better starting point. And Col City, if you call me a Commy or a Socialist or whatever passes for a clever riposte in that brain of yours it will be ignored, think of something more apt. I actually quite enjoy a heated debate but going back and forth with what can only be described as "the ramblings of a drivelling dullard" is just boring. Be adventurous! I'm with you Captain Shrapnel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 The top young players will go to the top academies regardless of what system in place, all this new system does is categorise the quality of an academy, which I've got no problem with. If you can afford to invest more, obviously you're going to reap the benefits - that goes for players, facilities, the youngsters you can attract. It's not like this new classification system is out of reach of clubs - nearly all clubs in the football league would be able to run a Category 2 or 3 academy. By and large, the system will remain similar to the way it is run now - scouts from the top clubs will hoover up the best prospects, then everyone else will pick through what's left. The only thing that's completely unfair and absolutely scandalous is the new compensation system which is being brought in - if a player has potential, a club should have to pay more than they do at the minute, not less. Clubs should be financially rewarded for bringing through talented players, not punished. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of lower league clubs don't buy into this new system - what's the point if their best young players are going to be snapped up for peanuts? Clubs like Crewe run their clubs by bringing through talented players and selling them on at a tidy profit - this new compensation system wrecks all that and is completely unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out Foxed Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 The only thing that's completely unfair and absolutely scandalous is the new compensation system which is being brought in - well yeah, that's pretty much the main point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Dykes Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 The only thing that's completely unfair and absolutely scandalous is the new compensation system which is being brought in - if a player has potential, a club should have to pay more than they do at the minute, not less. Clubs should be financially rewarded for bringing through talented players, not punished. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of lower league clubs don't buy into this new system - what's the point if their best young players are going to be snapped up for peanuts? Clubs like Crewe run their clubs by bringing through talented players and selling them on at a tidy profit - this new compensation system wrecks all that and is completely unfair. Absolutely. It's ridiculous. I can't work out what they were thinking. This will be yet another way of making the rich clubs richer and the poor clubs poorer. I imagine there will be clubs who abandon their academies altogether, which can only be detrimental to the game in this country as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhermon Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 Can't remember which club it is but i'm 99.9% sure a Div 2 team has given theirs the chop for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicfox Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 Holloway not happy http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/holloway-calls-for-overhaul-1-4702226 Blackpool are hoping to go Cat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 Can't remember which club it is but i'm 99.9% sure a Div 2 team has given theirs the chop for next season Wycombe have binned theirs and they have produced some great youngsters lately Don't think they will be the last either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted 4 July 2012 Share Posted 4 July 2012 As far as I know, we are Category 2 and this comes from somebody very close to the academy... Apparently, if the club had applied this year, there would have been a major rush to invest the £3million, provide the education, etc and there would have been a chance that we would have failed. Once you have failed, you can't re-apply to Category 1 for 3 years and so the club would rather plan it through for a season and apply next season and get it all in place. I was told this about one month ago so we will see.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 5 July 2012 Share Posted 5 July 2012 As far as I know, we are Category 2 and this comes from somebody very close to the academy... Apparently, if the club had applied this year, there would have been a major rush to invest the £3million, provide the education, etc and there would have been a chance that we would have failed. Once you have failed, you can't re-apply to Category 1 for 3 years and so the club would rather plan it through for a season and apply next season and get it all in place. I was told this about one month ago so we will see.. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 6 July 2012 Share Posted 6 July 2012 I think this rule would be good if you didn't have the bit where clubs are pretty much penalised for producing better youngsters, and that alone makes the rule an absolute joke. If I was chairman of a club like Oldham I'd instantly crap the academy, which is the sensible option but such a shame too. I don't care what happens, we could have category A and we'd still somehow manage to fvck it up. I really do think at the rate football's going there'll be some kind of break-off from the FA and FIFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 6 July 2012 Share Posted 6 July 2012 I think this rule would be good if you didn't have the bit where clubs are pretty much penalised for producing better youngsters, and that alone makes the rule an absolute joke. If I was chairman of a club like Oldham I'd instantly crap the academy, which is the sensible option but such a shame too. I don't care what happens, we could have category A and we'd still somehow manage to fvck it up. I really do think at the rate football's going there'll be some kind of break-off from the FA and FIFA. Isn't this mostly down to the PL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmilner Posted 6 July 2012 Share Posted 6 July 2012 As far as I know, we are Category 2 and this comes from somebody very close to the academy... Apparently, if the club had applied this year, there would have been a major rush to invest the £3million, provide the education, etc and there would have been a chance that we would have failed. Once you have failed, you can't re-apply to Category 1 for 3 years and so the club would rather plan it through for a season and apply next season and get it all in place. I was told this about one month ago so we will see.. this is correct 100% heard exactly the same . basically we ****ed up massively ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Dykes Posted 6 July 2012 Share Posted 6 July 2012 I'm going to try to look on the bright side, and hope that this new ruling might speed up a change for the better. If enough clubs scrap their academies, it'll become obvious to anyone that it was a shit idea, and another change in the opposite direction is needed. It might not pan out like that, but I can only hope it does. What would happen if only a few clubs kept their academies running? What happens to all the kids that might have come through a youth set up that no longer exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 6 July 2012 Share Posted 6 July 2012 I'm going to try to look on the bright side, and hope that this new ruling might speed up a change for the better. If enough clubs scrap their academies, it'll become obvious to anyone that it was a shit idea, and another change in the opposite direction is needed. It might not pan out like that, but I can only hope it does. What would happen if only a few clubs kept their academies running? What happens to all the kids that might have come through a youth set up that no longer exists? They will get "taught" by a load of numpties on the parks and we'll get even further behind the rest of the world - great idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 6 July 2012 Share Posted 6 July 2012 UEFA A & PRO COACHES SPAIN -------------------- 14,860 GERMANY ---------------- 6,570 FRANCE ------------------- 2,588 ITALY ----------------------- 1,810 NETH'NDS ----------------- 1,137 ENGLAND ----------------- 1,010 The reason why Spain are where they are and why England are where they are in relation to coaching youngsters - figures are from 2010 so the latest figures are even worse In the post above I had a pop at the Sunday morning managers who in England are likely to be Dads doing their best whilst in Spain there is a good chance it will be a UEFA A or B licence coach so I was being a bit unfair. Still, Trevor Brooking is happily collecting his £200k a year for doing fook all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Dykes Posted 6 July 2012 Share Posted 6 July 2012 They will get "taught" by a load of numpties on the parks and we'll get even further behind the rest of the world - great idea What idea? What kind of a response is that? Did you just pick out two words to read and ignore the rest? I was asking how bad people think things have to get before a change for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out Foxed Posted 3 August 2012 Share Posted 3 August 2012 National Group 1: Arsenal, Blackburn, Bolton, Everton, Norwich, Reading, West Brom, West Ham. National Group 2: Aston Villa, Manchester United, Newcastle, Southampton, Stoke, Sunderland, Tottenham, Watford. National Group 3: Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Fulham, Liverpool, Manchester City, Middlesbrough, Wolves. The Premier League has confirmed the creation of a new Under-21 competition to bridge the gap between clubs' academies and their first team. The first national showcase for Under-21 players will launch on 17 August when Chelsea host Manchester City and Reading visit West Ham. Teams from 17 Premier League and six Championship clubs – in effect all those who applied for category one status – will be divided into three groups. From January the sides will then be placed into three pools based on their performance, leading to a knockout stage and final. The emphasis will be on playing Under-21 players with each team limited to three over-age outfield players and one over-age goalkeeper. "Each stage of a player's development is tailored to ensuring they have the best possible chance of progressing," said Richard Scudamore, the Premier League chief executive. "The new league addresses one of the most critical points – the transition from academy football to the highest standards in the first team. "We believe this competitive environment, where fans can also come along to watch the next generation of Premier League and international players, will help deliver more talented home grown boys to that next level." http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/03/premier-league-under-21-competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynard Posted 4 August 2012 Share Posted 4 August 2012 National Group 1: Arsenal, Blackburn, Bolton, Everton, Norwich, Reading, West Brom, West Ham. National Group 2: Aston Villa, Manchester United, Newcastle, Southampton, Stoke, Sunderland, Tottenham, Watford. National Group 3: Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Fulham, Liverpool, Manchester City, Middlesbrough, Wolves. The Premier League has confirmed the creation of a new Under-21 competition to bridge the gap between clubs' academies and their first team. The first national showcase for Under-21 players will launch on 17 August when Chelsea host Manchester City and Reading visit West Ham. Teams from 17 Premier League and six Championship clubs – in effect all those who applied for category one status – will be divided into three groups. From January the sides will then be placed into three pools based on their performance, leading to a knockout stage and final. The emphasis will be on playing Under-21 players with each team limited to three over-age outfield players and one over-age goalkeeper. "Each stage of a player's development is tailored to ensuring they have the best possible chance of progressing," said Richard Scudamore, the Premier League chief executive. "The new league addresses one of the most critical points – the transition from academy football to the highest standards in the first team. "We believe this competitive environment, where fans can also come along to watch the next generation of Premier League and international players, will help deliver more talented home grown boys to that next level." http://www.guardian....-21-competition Sorry are we not taking part in this?? I thought from what others have said we were supposed to be in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramadaone Posted 4 August 2012 Share Posted 4 August 2012 We will be playing Cat 2 teams - Forest,Derby,Cov etc etc in the same format as last year plus under 21 games If everything goes according to plan we will get Cat 1 status in time for next season whereas a few that have got Cat 1 are unlikely to keep it once they have been fully checked out Under 16's and 18's played friendlies at Everton today so will be interesting to see how they fared against a Cat 1 setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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