ozleicester Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Should all religious institutions ,CoE Catholic Islam , Judaism , Sikh Jain etc etc be forced into conducting same sex marriages ? No, All religious institutions should all be banned.
flowwolf Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Yet you think people will be desperate to look at your weiner when you're in the toilet? You seem pretty self-centered to me..... Well it is a well known fact that these people use public toilets as some sort of hunting ground they call it " cottaging " and if they are not doing it there they stalk each other in public parks ( Hamstead heath ) etc .
PegguyArphexad Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Flowwolf - I truly hope you are just trolling! I think any forward thinking person would see this as a non-argument. Of course marriage should be open to any two people who want to commit to one another. The rights etc are non-important here. It's simply a matter of stopping people who want to enter into a committed same sex relationship feeling ostracised and different by having to enter into a different arrangement than heterosexual couples. Honestly why should people in the 21st century in a secular and advanced country question this?
flowwolf Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Well Peggy I take it your not religious ? the problem is that all religions in their holy books ,Bible, Koran etc clearly state that Homosexuality is a sin and is punishable by god. Now I hate all religion and laugh at the bollocks they spout including their take on Homosexuality. So what I do not understand is why Homosexuals want to use a particular ceremony such as Marriage which is a religious ceremony when in fact that religion is saying they are going to Hell for their sexual practices ? They now have the same legal rights in a civil partnership with it's own ceremony and can have there big day like anyone else, so why the need to try to force A religion that condemns you into marrying you ?
Monk Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Look, flowwolf - take the following hypothetical example. Lets say we're living in the days when black people couldn't vote. A law is passed that allows them to vote but it's called something else - say it's called 'preference' instead of vote. 10 years later the black community start a movement saying they want the 'preference' to be called a vote. Based on your argument above you'd say that they shouldn't bother asking in the first place because it's the same thing. Bet you can guess what people would call you too? The law that is being proposed will not force any religion to marry any same sex couple, so get your facts straight. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18407568 And another thing - marriage is not a religious ceremony - I got married last year in a scottish humanist ceremony, and that's pretty non religious. There wasn't a single iota of reference to a god in the whole thing.
Captain... Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Look, flowwolf - take the following hypothetical example. Lets say we're living in the days when black people couldn't vote. A law is passed that allows them to vote but it's called something else - say it's called 'preference' instead of vote. 10 years later the black community start a movement saying they want the 'preference' to be called a vote. Based on your argument above you'd say that they shouldn't bother asking in the first place because it's the same thing. Bet you can guess what people would call you too? The law that is being proposed will not force any religion to marry any same sex couple, so get your facts straight. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18407568 And another thing - marriage is not a religious ceremony - I got married last year in a scottish humanist ceremony, and that's pretty non religious. There wasn't a single iota of reference to a god in the whole thing. From that link: The government also plans to keep civil partnerships as an option for same-sex couples. WTF, that's not equality, why should gay people get marriages and civil ceremonies, and straight people can only have a marriage, that is discrimination, and I am vehemently opposed to discrimination of all forms, I will no longer support this proposal until they allow civil partnerships for all.
Monk Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 I'm sure if enough people wanted it and made a case for it we wouldn't see same sex couples coming up with the same crappy arguments in opposition.
Captain... Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 I'm sure if enough people wanted it and made a case for it we wouldn't see same sex couples coming up with the same crappy arguments in opposition. Ha ha, I never thought of it that way, but it is stupid to have 2 ceremonies, one for all and one only for gay couples.
Monk Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Ha ha, I never thought of it that way, but it is stupid to have 2 ceremonies, one for all and one only for gay couples. Agree with you on that one, seems pretty pointless.
Zingari Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 I think gay men ought to be able to take their partner up the aisle .
Webbo Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 I think gay men ought to be able to take their partner up the aisle . Why shouldn't they get their throats around a good hymn?
flowwolf Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Look, flowwolf - take the following hypothetical example. Lets say we're living in the days when black people couldn't vote. A law is passed that allows them to vote but it's called something else - say it's called 'preference' instead of vote. 10 years later the black community start a movement saying they want the 'preference' to be called a vote. Based on your argument above you'd say that they shouldn't bother asking in the first place because it's the same thing. Bet you can guess what people would call you too? The law that is being proposed will not force any religion to marry any same sex couple, so get your facts straight. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18407568 And another thing - marriage is not a religious ceremony - I got married last year in a scottish humanist ceremony, and that's pretty non religious. There wasn't a single iota of reference to a god in the whole thing. Sorry monk but your analogy completes ignores what I said about marriage being a religious ceremony. Please explain what "pretty non religious means " If there was no mention of God in the ceremony where was the Pretty bit then ?
flowwolf Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Why shouldn't they get their throats around a good hymn? This sounds like a piss poor Julian Clary double entendre type sad act joke. No in fact it is , got any more ?
Monk Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Sorry monk but your analogy completes ignores what I said about marriage being a religious ceremony. Please explain what "pretty non religious means " If there was no mention of God in the ceremony where was the Pretty bit then ? Apologies - it was entirely non religious. I mean to say - marriage is not exclusively religious.
ADK Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Thanks to this topic i'm getting adverts for gay dating sites.
Daggers Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Thanks to this topic i'm getting adverts for gay dating sites. I'm still waiting for a reply....
flowwolf Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Apologies - it was entirely non religious. I mean to say - marriage is not exclusively religious. Then that is surly a civil partnership which is exactly what is on offer to Homosexuals ? If there was no reference to religion how can it be called a marriage ? I'm asking that with no piss take intended but want to learn the difference between marriage that is not exclusively religious and a marriage that is entirely non religious ?
flowwolf Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 I thought it was quite good... So did I but lets not let that get in the way of a good argument.
flowwolf Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 I'm still waiting for a reply.... You need to set your stall out and show them what goods are on offer. ( I would imagine )
ozleicester Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Then that is surly a civil partnership which is exactly what is on offer to Homosexuals ? If there was no reference to religion how can it be called a marriage ? I'm asking that with no piss take intended but want to learn the difference between marriage that is not exclusively religious and a marriage that is entirely non religious ? Marriages are performed by Celebrants in Parks, Houses, football stadiums, underwater...whilst skydiving. They do not mention any religious involvement and are recognised as marriages. Marriage is NOT an exclusively religious event.
Daggers Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 Then that is surly a civil partnership which is exactly what is on offer to Homosexuals ? If there was no reference to religion how can it be called a marriage ? I'm asking that with no piss take intended but want to learn the difference between marriage that is not exclusively religious and a marriage that is entirely non religious ? Hopefully, no one here is getting surly otherwise someone may get offended - surely that is what no one wants? Marriage can be carried out in a non-religious ceremony. My marriage was a civil ceremony which had no mention of God, my friends' was a bizarre thing waving sticks which also had no religious input. The entire argument is over words, and words are powerful. To be gay should not deny the person the right to a word, a definition: to be married.
Daggers Posted 14 August 2012 Posted 14 August 2012 You need to set your stall out and show them what goods are on offer. ( I would imagine ) I'll happily plaster my junk over any site
21st Century Fox Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 I imagine to homosexual christians the difference means a lot. Assuming they believe in God, their right to a marriage in his eyes, is being blocked and monopolised by his 'representatives' down here. Whether homosexuality is actually so frowned upon by The Bible is a matter for debate in itself. It's pretty much the equivalent of not being allowed into a nightclub just because the doorman's a **** and doesn't like the look of you. Personally if I were gay and christian I'd feel fairly perturbed by such a bigoted group of followers.
Daggers Posted 15 August 2012 Posted 15 August 2012 Personally if I were ... christian... Everything else now fails to matter. The person who believes in fairies has issues running far deeper than a matter of equal rights.
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