Beckford.

[Jimmy]

he puts him arms up to acknowledge the fans then turned and pointed to Danns then they ran back, hardly went mad

[Poakey]

Ha ha, if he didnt celebrate he'd get slated. Some people cant win. I'm glad i don't know any fans like some of the dicks on here.

[jonlcfc1990]

I celebrated does this count?

[crisp packet]

Every Col City Fan post in a nutshell:

1. Open with criticism of Beckford. Doesn't matter if it is flimsy, post it anyway. E.g. slate him for goal conceeded against Bristol, based off 2 secs of garbled Stringer commentry cutting back from Jason Bourne at another game.

2. Quote any and every post disagreeing with his viewpoint. Label every one who doesn't agree a 'Beckford bummer', etc. Accuse them of being one eyed, blue tinted specs etc.

3. Claim to be an unbiased, balanced poster, unlike everyone else. Bonus marks for using the phrase 'Remember, neither a Beckford bummer nor hater be'.

Rewind 6 months, delete Beckford and paste in Sven, same applies.

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Back to the original topic, Beckford has clearly improved in leaps and bounds since the Forest game. His workrate has improved, his understanding with Nugent has got much better, and he is now scoring fairly regularly. He is not perfect - he still has weaknesses, mainly his first touch, and his lack of aerial presence (although this too has improved, he is competing for headers now, and wins quite a few flick-ons, despite obviously not being a target man.

He's not Maradonna. He's not Elvis Hammond either. Can't a player ever be 'alright' with Leicester fans? Everyone's either 'Shit' or a 'Legend'. Some manage both in the space of a week.

THIS!!

Thought it was just me ??

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz really is boring ?

Since we have backed our team we have seen performances improve, through out the whole team ....

it also coincides with the "We love u "chant

Can we not just back our team ???

As other than a few purple patches of in our whole history, we have been a mid table 2nd tier team .... Classed as a Yoyo team at best?

Delusions of grandeur ?

[Jimmy]

actually we've spent more time in the top flight...

[Guest Col city fan]

Every Col City Fan post in a nutshell:

1. Open with criticism of Beckford. Doesn't matter if it is flimsy, post it anyway. E.g. slate him for goal conceeded against Bristol, based off 2 secs of garbled Stringer commentry cutting back from Jason Bourne at another game.

2. Quote any and every post disagreeing with his viewpoint. Label every one who doesn't agree a 'Beckford bummer', etc. Accuse them of being one eyed, blue tinted specs etc.

3. Claim to be an unbiased, balanced poster, unlike everyone else. Bonus marks for using the phrase 'Remember, neither a Beckford bummer nor hater be'.

Rewind 6 months, delete Beckford and paste in Sven, same applies.

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Back to the original topic, Beckford has clearly improved in leaps and bounds since the Forest game. His workrate has improved, his understanding with Nugent has got much better, and he is now scoring fairly regularly. He is not perfect - he still has weaknesses, mainly his first touch, and his lack of aerial presence (although this too has improved, he is competing for headers now, and wins quite a few flick-ons, despite obviously not being a target man.

He's not Maradonna. He's not Elvis Hammond either. Can't a player ever be 'alright' with Leicester fans? Everyone's either 'Shit' or a 'Legend'. Some manage both in the space of a week.

Utter bollox.. I just tell it how it is..

How dare I even suggest that Becks has weaknesses?

Same as I suggested Sven did....

If you don't like it then don't read it.

[Underdog]

Oh fvck right off. Clueless.

I've been looking forward to finishing work so I can respond to this.

However misguided you think my post was, the whole idea of a forum is to be able to post thoughts and opinions. I've been home and away watching the likes of Lineker, Young, Alan Smith, Steve Moran, David Oldfield, David Kelly, Jimmy Quinn., Paul Kitson, Phil Gee, Dublin, Ferdinand, Claridge, .. you fvcking name them since 1976 I've watched them and I think that earns the right to voice an opinion.

With the hindsight of a bit of recorded TV, I can say that Beckford did put in more effort than I credited him for. However his performance still fell far far short of what I expect of a city striker, but more specifically, what we as city fans should expect of Beckford. It's not his price tag, it's because we've seen what he can do, and yet still we see him hanging on to defenders and not making those diagonal runs into space. He is capable of latching onto a ball over the top and finishing in style, capable of dragging defenders away to make space for others. What I expect of Beckford is nothing more than we've seen him do already, but at the very least I expect him to give defenders something to think about!

Then he scores a cracking goal and celebrates like he's some sort of legend. Nugent was angry with him for not getting back sooner, and a fair few around me aired their frustrations too.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's just that the midfield aren't playing to his strengths, but I feel it can sometimes be the other way around and he is not giving the midfield any forward options.

A good player, massively improved, but a long way to go I'm afraid.

[inckley fox]

Rickie Lambert - 24 goals, 8 assists

Marlon King - 12 goals, 6 assists

Peter Whittingham - 10 goals, 11 assists

Ross McCormack - 15 goals, 5 assists

Chris Burke - 9 goals, 13 assists

Michael Chopra - 13 goals, 5 assists

Robert Snodgrass - 10 goals, 12 assists

Darius Henderson - 14 goals, 5 assists

Jay Rodriguez - 15 goals, 5 assists

It's a strong argument because Beckford started very poorly; but I think Beckford's scored 10 in 14 since being recalled by Pearson (and, unless I'm wrong, I think the 3 assists have come in that time), so my feeling is that he won't be too high on Pearson's list of headaches compared with, say, Sol Bamba who frankly looked like Alan Paris at his very worst on Sunday.

Yet I'm amazed that so many people on here are so appalled by Col City Fan questioning the effort of Beckford, or indeed any other member of the squad. The fact that we are where we are is justification enough.

To support your team is a good thing, but blind support is the stuff of Barnstoneworth United, not fans of ambitious football clubs.

When we went down a few years ago, Gareth McCauley said: "It just didn't work out. But our defence was the best in the league, so we can't take any blame..." and that alone told you all we needed to know about why we went down. Not because McCauley wasn't to blame, but because he THOUGHT he wasn't to blame. Likewise, Nugent and Beckford can't wash their hands of the current mess just because they've banged in a few goals. And only the naivest of fans could think otherwise.

If it offends someone that people wonder on the achievements of a set of players who, collectively, have underperformed all season long under two highly respected managers, then you're either the world's blandest apologist or just bloody-minded and in the mood for a good old row.

Either way, the reality is that Leicester won't move forward unless everyone, from Schmeichel to Nugent and Beckford, comes under ruthless scrutiny.Fans need to stop making excuses and be a little more demanding of this team. After all, the bulk of our best performances this season - including our resurgence against Birmingham - have come when the crowd gets impatient. And let's not forget that Beckford himself has tended to up his game after criticism (eg, getting recalled against Palace after being slated by the crowd against West Ham, or coming back into the side against Forest after supposedly being berated by Pearson).

The only way forward is to accept that, right now, we're nowhere near good enough. And that includes Beckford.

[inckley fox]

I've been looking forward to finishing work so I can respond to this.

However misguided you think my post was, the whole idea of a forum is to be able to post thoughts and opinions. I've been home and away watching the likes of Lineker, Young, Alan Smith, Steve Moran, David Oldfield, David Kelly, Jimmy Quinn., Paul Kitson, Phil Gee, Dublin, Ferdinand, Claridge, .. you fvcking name them since 1976 I've watched them and I think that earns the right to voice an opinion.

With the hindsight of a bit of recorded TV, I can say that Beckford did put in more effort than I credited him for. However his performance still fell far far short of what I expect of a city striker, but more specifically, what we as city fans should expect of Beckford. It's not his price tag, it's because we've seen what he can do, and yet still we see him hanging on to defenders and not making those diagonal runs into space. He is capable of latching onto a ball over the top and finishing in style, capable of dragging defenders away to make space for others. What I expect of Beckford is nothing more than we've seen him do already, but at the very least I expect him to give defenders something to think about!

Then he scores a cracking goal and celebrates like he's some sort of legend. Nugent was angry with him for not getting back sooner, and a fair few around me aired their frustrations too.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's just that the midfield aren't playing to his strengths, but I feel it can sometimes be the other way around and he is not giving the midfield any forward options.

A good player, massively improved, but a long way to go I'm afraid.

I quite like Beckford, but you're quite clearly right. The truth sometimes hurts!

[orangecity23]

Beckford is 'going through a bad patch' is he?

He's scored four League goals all season and literally has the worst first touch of possibly any striker I've seen play in a City shirt.

When is his 'good patch' going to start?

During the summer perhaps?

I have no axe to grind on any City player but am first and foremost a City fan...

I concede that he was exceptional in the FA CUP game against Forest. But this season we have cried out for two CONSISTENTLY good strikers to score enough goals to mount a challenge and, as importantly, to be able to keep the ball when the team is under pressure.

Beckford has done neither and has been an expensive flop.

He may 'come good'.... But who gives a shite! What about THIS season.

Same as Steve Howard, Beckford was bought to score goals. The difference between him and the big man is that Steve has, at least, been able to keep the ball and to take some pressure off. He also developed a strong partnership with Matty.

Beckford, overall has been fookin pants!

And it amazes me that people are STILL droning on about 'giving him time to turn it around'.

Ridiculous...

Finally... Nugent has scored what? 13 goals this season.... and has had the same 'lack of supply' as Jermaine...

Why? He's simply a better all-round striker..

David Nugent 14 goals in 38 apps all competitions = 0.368 goals per game

Jermaine Beckford 12 goals in 34 apps all competitions = 0.353 goals per game.

Practically feck all difference, even including Beckford's poor start to the season.

But Beckford has been 'fooking pants', and Nugent is the 'better all round striker'. Nugent has been more consistent, and started the season better, however, since the new year there has been performing at a similar level - from the games I've seen (all home games), Beckford has been slightly the better, on average in my opinion.

'literally has the worst first touch of possibly any striker I've seen play in a City shirt ' - Akinbiyi? Benjamin? Elvis Hammond? Mark De Vries? Nathan Blake? Carl Cort? The list of strikers worse than Beckford is miles long, and just looking at the crap we've had in recent seasons.

All players have weaknesses, no-one is slating you for pointing them out, but you only focus on the weaknesses, and ignore the strengths. At the same time, you don't single out any other member of the squad for the same level of criticism.

[sphericalfox]

It's a strong argument because Beckford started very poorly; but I think Beckford's scored 10 in 14 since being recalled by Pearson (and, unless I'm wrong, I think the 3 assists have come in that time), so my feeling is that he won't be too high on Pearson's list of headaches compared with, say, Sol Bamba who frankly looked like Alan Paris at his very worst on Sunday.

Yet I'm amazed that so many people on here are so appalled by Col City Fan questioning the effort of Beckford, or indeed any other member of the squad. The fact that we are where we are is justification enough.

To support your team is a good thing, but blind support is the stuff of Barnstoneworth United, not fans of ambitious football clubs.

When we went down a few years ago, Gareth McCauley said: "It just didn't work out. But our defence was the best in the league, so we can't take any blame..." and that alone told you all we needed to know about why we went down. Not because McCauley wasn't to blame, but because he THOUGHT he wasn't to blame. Likewise, Nugent and Beckford can't wash their hands of the current mess just because they've banged in a few goals. And only the naivest of fans could think otherwise.

If it offends someone that people wonder on the achievements of a set of players who, collectively, have underperformed all season long under two highly respected managers, then you're either the world's blandest apologist or just bloody-minded and in the mood for a good old row.

Either way, the reality is that Leicester won't move forward unless everyone, from Schmeichel to Nugent and Beckford, comes under ruthless scrutiny.Fans need to stop making excuses and be a little more demanding of this team. After all, the bulk of our best performances this season - including our resurgence against Birmingham - have come when the crowd gets impatient. And let's not forget that Beckford himself has tended to up his game after criticism (eg, getting recalled against Palace after being slated by the crowd against West Ham, or coming back into the side against Forest after supposedly being berated by Pearson).

The only way forward is to accept that, right now, we're nowhere near good enough. And that includes Beckford.

It's not a strong argument at all. Let's see the minutes played statistics, the number of appearance that he came on as sub, and the timing of such to make any considerable impact, before looking at number of appearances to make record and gets played in every single thread regardless of subject.

You are right though. Everyone in the team who has played a part this season needs to accept responsibility for our current predicament. I would argue that to a certain degree the expectation and pressure has been in fact detrimental to some of our season, so I would disagree with the' impatient and we show it', gets the best out of the team. In some instances maybe, but as a general rule. Definitely not.

[Guest Col city fan]

David Nugent 14 goals in 38 apps all competitions = 0.368 goals per game

Jermaine Beckford 12 goals in 34 apps all competitions = 0.353 goals per game.

Practically feck all difference, even including Beckford's poor start to the season.

But Beckford has been 'fooking pants', and Nugent is the 'better all round striker'. Nugent has been more consistent, and started the season better, however, since the new year there has been performing at a similar level - from the games I've seen (all home games), Beckford has been slightly the better, on average in my opinion.

'literally has the worst first touch of possibly any striker I've seen play in a City shirt ' - Akinbiyi? Benjamin? Elvis Hammond? Mark De Vries? Nathan Blake? Carl Cort? The list of strikers worse than Beckford is miles long, and just looking at the crap we've had in recent seasons.

All players have weaknesses, no-one is slating you for pointing them out, but you only focus on the weaknesses, and ignore the strengths. At the same time, you don't single out any other member of the squad for the same level of criticism.

Again utter crap...

I can't even be bothered to go back to my original post this evening where I said usually give Becks a sniff and he will bury it. Or words to that effect.

It's YOU my friend who are using old posts and bits of them to make a point.

In terms of the stats I used, they were relating to the league as you very well know... Which was always going to be far more meaningful this season than the FA cup.

Ive always said that I'd love to see Beckford improving.. AND HE HAS! But I won't sit here and read all the crap that comes with it.. Cos his all round game still needs improving if we are to get promotion.

You be an ostrich.. I'd rather not be.

Finally, I've already said this evening in another thread that certain players need to go in the summer, including Wellens and Gally IMO.

Read em all before casting aspersions...

[orangecity23]

Ive always said that I'd love to see Beckford improving.. AND HE HAS! But I won't sit here and read all the crap that comes with it.. Cos his all round game still needs improving if we are to get promotion.

You be an ostrich.. I'd rather not be.

Finally, I've already said this evening in another thread that certain players need to go in the summer, including Wellens and Gally IMO.

Read em all before casting aspersions...

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Back to the original topic, Beckford has clearly improved in leaps and bounds since the Forest game. His workrate has improved, his understanding with Nugent has got much better, and he is now scoring fairly regularly. He is not perfect - he still has weaknesses, mainly his first touch, and his lack of aerial presence (although this too has improved, he is competing for headers now, and wins quite a few flick-ons, despite obviously not being a target man.

He's not Maradonna. He's not Elvis Hammond either. Can't a player ever be 'alright' with Leicester fans? Everyone's either 'Shit' or a 'Legend'. Some manage both in the space of a week.

Yeah, I'm completely ignoring his weaknesses. I have read your other posts - I've read your post on Wellens and Gallagher, and I agree with it. I've read lots of your posts - and there are a lot of them! - and some of the points you raise are salient.

However - in terms of volume, you post on some subjects far more often than others. Beckford is one of those subjects. The amount of opinion you post on Beckford outweighs that of what you post on other individual players. The negative points raised far outweigh the positive. The point of posting that old post was to highlight the fact you do, in fact, resort to simply slagging off Beckford after a bad game. The positives - the praise after good performances, comes across as begrudging, accompanied by an offhand criticism.

Also, if anyone disagrees with your points - you will label them as an idiot, or ridicule their argument. You've done it again, trying to make out that I have ignored Beckford's weaknesses.

Also, you would have included FA Cup games in your stats if Beckford hadn't scored in them, it would have made a handy boost to your arguments. So you can't really blame anyone looking for a postive spin on Beckford using them in their stats. The cup goals came against a range of opposition - 3 against a team in our league, and 1 against a Champions League team FFS, so they are relevant, they do help to paint a broader picture of Beckford's recent form for the club.

I'm sorry if I've come across as heavy handed in my original post, it was intended as tongue in cheek parody.

[PAULCFC]

Hot and Cold for me.Shouldn't have give the great i am after scoring........just get the ball and do it again.

[Guest Col city fan]

Yeah, I'm completely ignoring his weaknesses. I have read your other posts - I've read your post on Wellens and Gallagher, and I agree with it. I've read lots of your posts - and there are a lot of them! - and some of the points you raise are salient.

However - in terms of volume, you post on some subjects far more often than others. Beckford is one of those subjects. The amount of opinion you post on Beckford outweighs that of what you post on other individual players. The negative points raised far outweigh the positive. The point of posting that old post was to highlight the fact you do, in fact, resort to simply slagging off Beckford after a bad game. The positives - the praise after good performances, comes across as begrudging, accompanied by an offhand criticism.

Also, if anyone disagrees with your points - you will label them as an idiot, or ridicule their argument. You've done it again, trying to make out that I have ignored Beckford's weaknesses.

Also, you would have included FA Cup games in your stats if Beckford hadn't scored in them, it would have made a handy boost to your arguments. So you can't really blame anyone looking for a postive spin on Beckford using them in their stats. The cup goals came against a range of opposition - 3 against a team in our league, and 1 against a Champions League team FFS, so they are relevant, they do help to paint a broader picture of Beckford's recent form for the club.

I'm sorry if I've come across as heavy handed in my original post, it was intended as tongue in cheek parody.

Finally and let me make it clear....

I am passionate about the football club and always have been. If I see a player not appearing to give a toss it frustrates the Hell out of me. I saw this in Beckford many times during the first half of the season so made an angry post after such games, as have many fans on here. The West Ham away game being a case in point. I make no apology for this as I am human and this is a football forum.

I have also commented on the occasions where he has played well and I do concede this has happened more since January. Only today I posted that Beckford has real qualities, something I've commented on before.

In terms of me labelling anybody an idiot.. This usually only happens as a retaliation after some direct abuse. Again, some of the stuff I post on here pales by comparison with some of the horrendous stuff that was posted not so long back about Wellens. So again, what you are suggesting is done by many on here and often, in a far more vindictive way than I do.

Finally, I absolutely agree with you that I post more about Beckford than I do any other player... The reasons for this are twofold. Firstly, I see him as a player who could have turned our season into something great. If, as many suggest, he is gifted, I feel his league stats have very much let us down this season.

Secondly, many posts about him are completely biased in opinion. Beckford love is as ridiculous as Sven love ever was... So I try to suggest that people consider how his performances can be improved, rather than hailing him as the Messiah.

I hope this clears up what I've said and what I feel.

Basically, as I posted originally this afternoon. Beckford can be deadly, but his all round game can let the team down. That's all..

Over and out.

[KidKunny]

I just don't get it, when we lose everyone automatically turns to Beckford, nobody rarely blames the defence anymore. It's like 'oh we've lost, fooking hell Beckford you lazy tw*t'... Just constantly on his case all the time, name one average player that plays well 24-7. I'm not saying that's a reason for him not to perform but the fans can't get pissed off every single time we lose. He's helped us win many occasions and even level up e.g. Middlesbrough at home. So we'd be a point less. Theres other games where he has helped us but doesn't get the credit. Just can't win with some people.

And as for the people who say he should've got the ball, yes he should've but at least he pointed to Danns and wanted to tell the fans Danns made the goal so he didn't take all the glory by celebrating...

[AKCJ]

David Nugent 14 goals in 38 apps all competitions = 0.368 goals per game

Jermaine Beckford 12 goals in 34 apps all competitions = 0.353 goals per game.

Practically feck all difference, even including Beckford's poor start to the season.

But Beckford has been 'fooking pants', and Nugent is the 'better all round striker'. Nugent has been more consistent, and started the season better, however, since the new year there has been performing at a similar level - from the games I've seen (all home games), Beckford has been slightly the better, on average in my opinion.

'literally has the worst first touch of possibly any striker I've seen play in a City shirt ' - Akinbiyi? Benjamin? Elvis Hammond? Mark De Vries? Nathan Blake? Carl Cort? The list of strikers worse than Beckford is miles long, and just looking at the crap we've had in recent seasons.

All players have weaknesses, no-one is slating you for pointing them out, but you only focus on the weaknesses, and ignore the strengths. At the same time, you don't single out any other member of the squad for the same level of criticism.

Nail on head.

[Guest Col city fan]

I just don't get it, when we lose everyone automatically turns to Beckford, nobody rarely blames the defence anymore. It's like 'oh we've lost, fooking hell Beckford you lazy tw*t'... Just constantly on his case all the time, name one average player that plays well 24-7. I'm not saying that's a reason for him not to perform but the fans can't get pissed off every single time we lose. He's helped us win many occasions and even level up e.g. Middlesbrough at home. So we'd be a point less. Theres other games where he has helped us but doesn't get the credit. Just can't win with some people.

And as for the people who say he should've got the ball, yes he should've but at least he pointed to Danns and wanted to tell the fans Danns made the goal so he didn't take all the glory by celebrating...

Are you talking about Sundays game?

And who is everybody?

From what I heard of Pearsons post match interview, he laid the blame for the loss squarely on the shoulders of the defence and stated, on more than I've occasion, that Beckford took his goal really well.

Similarly, this forum has been critical of the defence, and particularly the performance of Bamba?

From what I've read, Beckford was considered about our best player, along with Danns and even Alan Young, Beckford' s supposed nemesis gave him Leicester's man of the match.

So what are you going on about?

You're even trying to defend a player that was given lots of credit for his game on Sunday?

Bizarre stuff again...

[KidKunny]

Are you talking about Sundays game?

And who is everybody?

From what I heard of Pearsons post match interview, he laid the blame for the loss squarely on the shoulders of the defence and stated, on more than I've occasion, that Beckford took his goal really well.

Similarly, this forum has been critical of the defence, and particularly the performance of Bamba?

From what I've read, Beckford was considered about our best player, along with Danns and even Alan Young, Beckford' s supposed nemesis gave him Leicester's man of the match.

So what are you going on about?

You're even trying to defend a player that was given lots of credit for his game on Sunday?

Bizarre stuff again...

Well I meant the exception of Chelsea's game which I didn't clearly put.

From what I read a lot of people slate Beckford hence this thread. We are in the championship everyone is expecting him to be Messi which is not going to happen that's my point and also that people are saying get Lambert or other players that can score, and my point is that they won't perform here and if we can hold on to Beckford and Nugent in the summer I guarantee they will give us a massive boost next season.

[shade]

Utter bollox.. I just tell it how it is..

How dare I even suggest that Becks has weaknesses?

Same as I suggested Sven did....

If you don't like it then don't read it.

all you ever do is denigrate beckford tho, I would say change the record but I don't think you own any others?

[Happy Fox]

When we get a target man of genuine quality we will definitely see further improvements in Beckford's and Nugent's game.

[Guest Col city fan]

all you ever do is denigrate beckford tho, I would say change the record but I don't think you own any others?

Rubbish.. Look up through the thread...

I've used the terms good finisher, lethal et al on more than one occassion. And I've suggested his all round game is weak too..

Don't just lie, read the thread at least....

I've also said that Beckford is improving.. So the record has changed.. It's just not spinning out of control about him like many do.

You're post demonstrates many on here when it is based on a subject that people really don't want to discuss. Rather than actually read a thread through and what has been said, you will glibly make up a one liner to try to dismiss everything that went before.

[reynard]

Well I meant the exception of Chelsea's game which I didn't clearly put.

From what I read a lot of people slate Beckford hence this thread. We are in the championship everyone is expecting him to be Messi which is not going to happen that's my point and also that people are saying get Lambert or other players that can score, and my point is that they won't perform here and if we can hold on to Beckford and Nugent in the summer I guarantee they will give us a massive boost next season.

I'm afraid nothing in football can be guaranteed. They were supposed to give us a boost this season and have not really lived up to it just yet.

[AKCJ]

When we get a target man of genuine quality we will definitely see further improvements in Beckford's and Nugent's game.

Darius Henderson in the summer, anyone?

EDIT; Actually, fvck that! Just looked at his record before Millwall! Garbage!

[Happy Fox]

Darius Henderson in the summer, anyone?

He would do fine imo, capable of scoring goals at this level and would be a good foil to knock balls down for the likes of Beckford and Nugent. If not Henderson than someone like Rodriguez from Burnley or Chris Wood from WBA on loan would be fine.