NeilyBoy Posted 21 March 2012 Posted 21 March 2012 ThurnbyLodgeFox, on 17 March 2012 - 07:56 PM, said: https://twitter.com/#!/LiamStacey9 what drives people to this... its football, and times like this that should be forgotten. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That oxygen thief has been arrested. I'm intrigued. What did he say that was so bad?
RonnieTodger Posted 21 March 2012 Posted 21 March 2012 I'm intrigued. What did he say that was so bad? Doubt I can repeat the words on here. But a lot of the awful terms "describing" black people, namely the N and W words. He also tried to convince people that Muamba was dead. If anyone sent him a message, telling him how disgusting he was, he'd send one back, with a personal insult. If he "isn't racist" then I actually do not know what "racist" means. That boy is scum, and even though he probably won't go to prison. I hope he gets kicked out of University and ran over by a ****ing arctic lorry. Actually, that's too quick and painless.
NeilyBoy Posted 21 March 2012 Posted 21 March 2012 Doubt I can repeat the words on here. But a lot of the awful terms "describing" black people, namely the N and W words. He also tried to convince people that Muamba was dead. If anyone sent him a message, telling him how disgusting he was, he'd send one back, with a personal insult. If he "isn't racist" then I actually do not know what "racist" means. That boy is scum, and even though he probably won't go to prison. I hope he gets kicked out of University and ran over by a ****ing arctic lorry. Actually, that's too quick and painless. Fair play that does sound genuinely horrible. I was kind of hoping it was all a big over reaction.
21st Century Fox Posted 21 March 2012 Posted 21 March 2012 Fabrice Muamba was 'dead' for 78 minutes - Bolton doctor Fabrice Muamba was "in effect dead" for 78 minutes following his on-pitch collapse, Bolton Wanderers' club doctor Jonathan Tobin has revealed. But Dr Tobin said he had been amazed by the 23-year-old's recovery so far. http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/17460781
Bellend Sebastian Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 She's got a point. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/mar/21/fabrice-muamba-self-congratulation Obviously the crowd's response etc was positive, but I agree that it's a sad state of affairs that this is considered surprising or noteworthy, particularly as most of the plaudits are coming from people within the game itself - does football really hold itself in such low regard now?
purpleronnie Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 She's got a point. http://www.guardian....-congratulation Obviously the crowd's response etc was positive, but I agree that it's a sad state of affairs that this is considered surprising or noteworthy, particularly as most of the plaudits are coming from people within the game itself - does football really hold itself in such low regard now? Its pretty much I said at the time, people kept praising the fans but do people really think that they would have reacted in any other way? Some people seem to think the fans could have booed muamba...this is possible but only due to the fact they might have thought he was feigning injury, I don't believe for one second that if every fan knew something was seriously wrong that they wouldnt all react in a sympathtic commendable way. I agree its a sad state of affairs when fans view their own kind with such low regard.
James. Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 She's got a point. http://www.guardian....-congratulation Obviously the crowd's response etc was positive, but I agree that it's a sad state of affairs that this is considered surprising or noteworthy, particularly as most of the plaudits are coming from people within the game itself - does football really hold itself in such low regard now? This is where The Guadian sometiems does my head in. This need to be so contrarian, so cynical about everything. Has it really been that bad? Most of the praise has been heaped on the quick response of the paramedics and the doctors at the London Chest Hospital. It's been observed that the crowd were sympathetic but are people really falling over themselves to congratulate the fans for their response? And even if they are maybe it's because it's just quite nice to promote behaviour of football fans for once instead of castigating and demonising them which is what normally happens. I guess in this journalists world though we shouldn't even really be thanking and praising the emergency services. Pah it's their job, how else are they going to earn their money? Stand around while people die? Personally I will give a respectful nod to the fans for behaving with dignity and compassion, which is what most people have done. And I will congratulate the emergency services on saving a man's life. Even if it is just their job.
purpleronnie Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 This is where The Guadian sometiems does my head in. This need to be so contrarian, so cynical about everything. Has it really been that bad? Most of the praise has been heaped on the quick response of the paramedics and the doctors at the London Chest Hospital. It's been observed that the crowd were sympathetic but are people really falling over themselves to congratulate the fans for their response? And even if they are maybe it's because it's just quite nice to promote behaviour of football fans for once instead of castigating and demonising them which is what normally happens. I guess in this journalists world though we shouldn't even really be thanking and praising the emergency services. Pah it's their job, how else are they going to earn their money? Stand around while people die? Personally I will give a respectful nod to the fans for behaving with dignity and compassion, which is what most people have done. And I will congratulate the emergency services on saving a man's life. Even if it is just their job. I see nothing wrong with prasing the emergency services everyone deserves praise for a job well done it was people who kept on about how great the fans were that I found baffling.
James. Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 I see nothing wrong with prasing the emergency services everyone deserves praise for a job well done it was people who kept on about how great the fans were that I found baffling. I used the emergency services to demonstrate how the article's train of logic might regard them. The main issue for me is that I really don't think people have been banging on about how the fans reacted. All I've heard about is praise for the paramedics. Maybe I've missed it or maybe the article is picking on a couple of quotes and blowing it out of proportion.
purpleronnie Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 I used the emergency services to demonstrate how the article's train of logic might regard them. The main issue for me is that I really don't think people have been banging on about how the fans reacted. All I've heard about is praise for the paramedics. Maybe I've missed it or maybe the article is picking on a couple of quotes and blowing it out of proportion. You have missed it, because it was mentioned a lot.
James. Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 You have missed it, because it was mentioned a lot. In that case I refer back to my other point that in a world full of such bad news is it really that much of an issue to highlight something positive? One of the comments says it better than I can. I am probably just gratifying your ego by sending this reply, and it will no doubt be a pat on the back for being so controversial but here goes... Of course these simple things should be encouraged, applauded and appreciated. The cliche 'being taken for granted' applies to your complete disregard for a nation demonstrating their humanity. Your newspaper has a plethora of evidence of what, we, as human beings, do wrong on a more than regular basis. Unfortunately, it takes a tragic event like this for people to 'step up' and show exactly what we are made of, and show an example to the younger generation so they understand morality. If you need an example of why this is required you only have to look at this article, as well as the idiot that was racially abusing Muamba on twitter while he was on his death bed.
purpleronnie Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 I agree james theres nothing wrong with it, it was just strage that's all. We do tend to highlight all the negative stories and I have to say we are a nation quite unique in the constant bashing of our own country, the odd thing of course is because people praised the fans the way they did it was a back handed compliment because did it really need to be mentioned? the fact it did shows the negativity that seems entrenched in the british psyche.
Haydos Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 How will she spread her cynicism all the way up there on her high horse? Nobody's patting themselves on the back. It's only noteworthy things like the crowd (mostly Tottenham fans) spontaneously chanting his name that have been commented on. Who does she think she's preaching to? Are people in media positions just meant to inform us of what happened with no emotion or reaction?
Raw Dykes Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 I'm intrigued. What did he say that was so bad? There are rumours he was beaten up on the 17th, arrested the day after and kicked off his uni course 3 weeks before graduating. Couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow. http://www.smallheat...1,873028,873135
Corky Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 Its pretty much I said at the time, people kept praising the fans but do people really think that they would have reacted in any other way? Some people seem to think the fans could have booed muamba...this is possible but only due to the fact they might have thought he was feigning injury, Most fans can tell when something is seriously wrong. It's not at a crucial time of the game, no-one is was near him so no advantage to be gained, when a player goes down with no others in the immediate area you know something has happened beyond "normal" injuries.
purpleronnie Posted 22 March 2012 Posted 22 March 2012 Most fans can tell when something is seriously wrong. It's not at a crucial time of the game, no-one is was near him so no advantage to be gained, when a player goes down with no others in the immediate area you know something has happened beyond "normal" injuries. Then why were people continuously prasing the fans?, its a normal reaction. Thats the point.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 Just found this story of the Scottish League Cup Final, very tragic. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17423952 Kilmarnock player Liam Kelly's father dies after cup final The father of a Kilmarnock footballer has died of a suspected heart attack after watching his son's team beat Celtic in the League Cup final. Midfielder Liam Kelly, 22, was seen running up the tunnel at Hampden after his father collapsed at the end of the club's 1-0 victory on Sunday. Jack Kelly, 59, collapsed just before 17:00 near the Kilmarnock dugout. He died in hospital a short time later. His son was told just before Kilmarnock lifted the trophy. The rest of his team-mates had collected their medals before learning of what had happened. In the post-match press conference, Kilmarnock manager Kenny Shiels said: "The dressing room is very despondent and I don't know why the man above sends down these messages to us. "We are thinking more about Liam than our triumphalism." After the game, Kilmarnock goalkeeper Cammy Bell said: "I'm very close to Liam so it just puts things into perspective for me. "If I could take away my performance I would, if Liam's dad was all right." Bell and his team-mates had collected their medals before discovering the news. "It was after getting the cup when I found out," Bell said. "We were on the pitch and the kit man told me. The rest of the boys didn't realise." Liam Kelly was born in England - in Milton Keynes - but has played for Scotland at under-18 and under-21 level as both his parents are Scottish. Mr Kelly Snr was treated at the scene by paramedics. Police said he died just under an hour later at the Victoria Infirmary in Glasgow. Yet some how, despite being even more tragic (in that someone actually died) it seems that everyone has completely missed this story because it's not a Premiership footballer. Just thought I add some perspective.
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 Just found this story of the Scottish League Cup Final, very tragic. http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-17423952 Yet some how, despite being even more tragic (in that someone actually died) it seems that everyone has completely missed this story because it's not a Premiership footballer. Just thought I add some perspective. To be fair he wasn't any sort of footballer and that's probably why it was missed. Surely you can see the difference between a 57 year old random chap having a heart attack, and that of a young, healthy, professional footballer playing in the most watched football league in the world?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 You don't think it's tragically bitter sweet that a guy wins their national cup trophy only to find minutes later that his father has died of a heart attack which in all probabilty was brought about by the emotion of the occasion?
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 Just found this story of the Scottish League Cup Final, very tragic. http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-17423952 Yet some how, despite being even more tragic (in that someone actually died) it seems that everyone has completely missed this story because it's not a Premiership footballer. Just thought I add some perspective. I agree with this, it's a far far more tragic story. As bad as the Muamba incident was I can;t believe how much press it is getting, it was a headline on sky today that he managed to watch tv for a bit. Minute's applauses etc are usually reserved for people who have died, not just in case someone does. I'm starting to find the whole situation very bizarre.
davieG Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 To be fair he wasn't any sort of footballer and that's probably why it was missed. Surely you can see the difference between a 57 year old random chap having a heart attack, and that of a young, healthy, professional footballer playing in the most watched football league in the world? How about this that manage to get little media coverage and all of 8 posts on here - http://www.foxestalk...__fromsearch__1 Seemingly died from a similar problem.
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 You don't think it's tragically bitter sweet that a guy wins their national cup trophy only to find minutes later that his father has died of a heart attack which in all probabilty was brought about by the emotion of the occasion? How about this that manage to get little media coverage and all of 8 posts on here - http://www.foxestalk...__fromsearch__1 Seemingly died from a similar problem. Both of these are more tragic because the person died in both cases - I certainly agree with that. What I don't understand is that you think these should, or you're suprised that they haven't, got more coverage - these are things that happen every day in life and noone really bats a eyelid, surely you must understand that? The difference with Muamba is that he plays in the most watched league in the world, a league with so much money and technical advances that frankly it's shocking that these sort of things aren't picked up or even screened for. It stopped an FA Cup, watched in over 100 countries, dead in its tracks. If a famous actress falls over and hurts her leg it'll inevitably be all over the news. Will it then be the case that you'll be complaining that some poor girl in stage school isn't getting the same coverage after breaking her leg in 3 places?
MC Prussian Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 Muamba allegedly able to sit up and eat regular meals now. He even watched MOTD last weekend: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17512080
Houdini Logic Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 Muamba allegedly able to sit up and eat regular meals now. He even watched MOTD last weekend: http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/17512080 'I am led to believe he fell asleep when it was 2-0' Surely a sign that he's pretty much back to normal
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2012 Posted 26 March 2012 Muamba allegedly able to sit up and eat regular meals now. He even watched MOTD last weekend: http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/17512080 Do you think we'll get an update when he can go to the toilet and open his curtains? 'I am led to believe he fell asleep when it was 2-0' Surely a sign that he's pretty much back to normal He's gonna think he's been in a coma for ten years when he sees Torres has scored.
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