Barton vs Tevez

[Burmesefox]

In opinion there are two types of cheat in football.

1. the player that simulates being fouled/wronged

2. one that actually fouls/handles etc.

The former is a nasty cancer that has crept in from continental football and is all that is total and utter shiite in our game. If I had the money I would pull British football away from FIFA and start again with strict rulings in place to stamp out this play acting, whinging, moaning, diving, crying, appealing for red card bollox. The rest of the sporting world must look on at football and bemoan what a bunch of overpaid babies we have created. I say "we", I actually mean SKY and the powers that run football. Money corrupts and it has corupted our beautiful game into a farce. It is this farce that has come from the continent and I would be quite happy to close our boarders and play our own game.

The latter scenario, whilst still unacceptable, has an honesty to it. The foul that is committed under the ref's nose through sheer passion or will to win. A foul is made but the consequences are accepted. sometimes it's an impulsive handball to prevent a goal and others it's a calculated professional foul but it is performed in front of the ref in the open.

I don't want to see Drogba, however good he may be, diving and rolling and pr. I would also rather see Barton than Tevez. Note it was Tevez that started that spat and through the first punch yet Barton's shrugging swing of the elbow to free himself of his assailant acts as a catalyst for Tevez dropping to the ground and holding his face, despite the fact that the blow hit his chest. What happened afterwards was madness by Barton, but let's face it - it was great entertainment. The fact is that Barton will get a huge ban and fine. Non face Garth Crooks is already calling for a 6 month ban. But what about Tevez? Nothing he slides back to his rat-face sewer.Herein lies everything I hate about football. Dishonesty wins again and again and yet we as fans just have to put up with it.

Of course, we can't pull out of FIFA or UEFA and create our own rules as we couldn't afford the top players and our home grown talent would move abroad but something has to be done to stop these cheats and until we can dispalce Blatter, Platini, and Beckenbauer the game will continue with in this vein. What is baffling is why this cheating is allowed and why our game is becoming less and less physical. I seriously believe there is an element of anti-englishness about the whole set up and they know that the more physical and honest game suits us.

My general rule of thumb....the hotter the country, the bigger the cheats.

[Manwell Pablo]

In opinion there are two types of cheat in football.

1. the player that simulates being fouled/wronged

2. one that actually fouls/handles etc.

The former is a nasty cancer that has crept in from continental football and is all that is total and utter shiite in our game. If I had the money I would pull British football away from FIFA and start again with strict rulings in place to stamp out this play acting, whinging, moaning, diving, crying, appealing for red card bollox. The rest of the sporting world must look on at football and bemoan what a bunch of overpaid babies we have created. I say "we", I actually mean SKY and the powers that run football. Money corrupts and it has corupted our beautiful game into a farce. It is this farce that has come from the continent and I would be quite happy to close our boarders and play our own game.

The latter scenario, whilst still unacceptable, has an honesty to it. The foul that is committed under the ref's nose through sheer passion or will to win. A foul is made but the consequences are accepted. sometimes it's an impulsive handball to prevent a goal and others it's a calculated professional foul but it is performed in front of the ref in the open.

I don't want to see Drogba, however good he may be, diving and rolling and pr. I would also rather see Barton than Tevez. Note it was Tevez that started that spat and through the first punch yet Barton's shrugging swing of the elbow to free himself of his assailant acts as a catalyst for Tevez dropping to the ground and holding his face, despite the fact that the blow hit his chest. What happened afterwards was madness by Barton, but let's face it - it was great entertainment. The fact is that Barton will get a huge ban and fine. Non face Garth Crooks is already calling for a 6 month ban. But what about Tevez? Nothing he slides back to his rat-face sewer.Herein lies everything I hate about football. Dishonesty wins again and again and yet we as fans just have to put up with it.

Of course, we can't pull out of FIFA or UEFA and create our own rules as we couldn't afford the top players and our home grown talent would move abroad but something has to be done to stop these cheats and until we can dispalce Blatter, Platini, and Beckenbauer the game will continue with in this vein. What is baffling is why this cheating is allowed and why our game is becoming less and less physical. I seriously believe there is an element of anti-englishness about the whole set up and they know that the more physical and honest game suits us.

My general rule of thumb....the hotter the country, the bigger the cheats.

I can ruin your arguement using only two words

Ready?

Ashley Young.

[OzFox]

Barton vs Shearer & Lineker is looking quite lively.

Mr Squeakey Clean

[whitlock]

Hate Barton with a passion, would seriously smirk if he suffered a career ending injury.

[Finnegan]

I can ruin your arguement using only two words

Ready?

Ashley Young.

someone posted on here the other day that younger players like Young only do it because they've been influenced by Johnny foreigner.

[Libertine Dream]

I can ruin your arguement using only two words

Ready?

Ashley Young.

You dont even have to give an example because all footballers do it. Gerrard against Blackburn clearly dived, didnt get the foul but still tried to cheat and is therefore as bad, same with Carrol.

[Out Foxed]

barton hardly did anything, slight elbow to a throat, attempted dead leg and a glancing head. 5 game ban and that's it.

[Mack]

There is a cultural difference between southern and northern European football.

This is nothing new and has been evident for decades.

Whilst I agree the rolling around the floor in agony over nothing has increased a bit in recent season's in by no means as bad here as it is in Spain or Italy.

English Football fans on the whole will keep the game played in a more genuine honest manner as we mostly prefer a firm fair honest game.

p.s. I hope that turd Barton has the book thrown at him by the FA. Not only is he the biggest **** in English football he wanders around with a huge plate of chips on his shoulder picking fights with anyone who is stupid enough to engage with him verbally or physically.

[AdamN]

Note it was Tevez that started that spat and through the first punch

Before people start deconstructing the rest of your argument, I'd like to know where the evidence for this so called 'punch' was? I certainly didn't see Tevez throwing fists. They got a bit tangled up as a result of a coming together, but Tevez hardly clocked Barton in the chin, did he?

[Captain...]

How about the fact that Barton admitted on Twitter that he kicked Aguero and started on Kompany and others to try and get one of them sent off.

He claimed a team mate said, "You've been sent off, now try and take on of them with you."

That is much worse than the lot.

Don't be so quick to blame foreigners we have had nasty little shits cheating ever since football was invented, all the toe stamping, ankle raking, bollock grabbing, twisting, pulling that goes on, has done so for years in England. The only reason we didn't do a lot of diving was because refs weren't having any of it.

I don't think anyone else has argued it wasn't a red card, it was hard to be 100% certain from the camera angles, but it is generally accepted as a red, should it have been a red for Tevez too, maybe, should Barton have gone down clutching his face instead of elbowing Tevez back? Probably, Tevez might have been sent off and Barton wouldn't have been.

Barton like Terry in Barcelona was an idiot, and misdemeanors of others don't justify it or make it right.

We need to get rid of simulation and diving and play acting and everything else that is unpleasant about the game, but we also need to stamp down on violent actions too.

[21st Century Fox]

someone posted on here the other day that younger players like Young only do it because they've been influenced by Johnny foreigner.

Also why you never see a pensioner eating a pizza.

[Soar Fox]

Joey Barton is a disgrace to football. Really wouldn't care if he got a career ending injury. He's a total thug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWqCS02OJ4k

[masterg59]

totally agree about Barton absolute thug.my idea to stop the faking of injuries.is to get the player with the MORTAL injury off to the dressing room to be passed fit before he is allowed to take to the pitch again, soon stop the managers (and that's who it is) telling players to try and get opponents booked/sent off if the faker is lost for a few minutes.

[MattyFromLE]

I think both players should have gone really. It was only Barton's reaction that justified the ref's decision to only send him off. I personally, think Barton is an absolute disgrace and doesn't deserve to be a professional footballer at all. Kicking Aguero, trying to start one with Kompany then Ballotelli, he made himself look like a complete thug.

[Corky]

My general rule of thumb....the hotter the country, the bigger the cheats.

Yet the cooler the country, the bigger the thugs, right?

[Manwell Pablo]

someone posted on here the other day that younger players like Young only do it because they've been influenced by Johnny foreigner.

Oh aye that'd be it.

If anything I'd say we are better at cheating than Southern Europeans/South Americans, they tend to go OTT when faking injury/diving as it's culturally in their nature to exaggerate when trying to make a point, where as most of our players will go out of their way to make the foul look as authentic as possible.

Owen was another who was never shy about collapsing when given the opportunity, and Jurgen Klinsman was one of the most renound divers in the world whilst I was growing up, I think it's quite cold in Germany during the winter isn't it?

[Jordan]

Remember the Barton-Gervinho incident? Barton grabbed Gervinho after the new Gunner dove to try to win the penalty, but during the ensuing scuffle, Barton threw himself to the ground in a blatant attempt to draw a red card.

Besides that moment--a flop so embarrassing, it'd make Ashley Young blush--Barton may not be a diver, but he is constantly trying to provoke players and bait them into getting red cards. How is that any better than diving?

Tevez may play like a bitch some times (or refuse to play ), but at least he's not prone to the violent outbursts that have plagued Barton on and off the pitch.

[acooling08]

I don't see what's so ridiculous about the idea of foreigners causing English players to dive. I'm not saying it is definitely the cause, but it is certainly a plausible explanation if you look a simple flowchart:

There is no diving in English football (elsewhere football is plagued by diving) > More foreign players start playing in England > Now there is diving.

[Jordan]

I don't see what's so ridiculous about the idea of foreigners causing English players to dive. I'm not saying it is definitely the cause, but it is certainly a plausible explanation if you look a simple flowchart:

There is no diving in English football (elsewhere football is plagued by diving) > More foreign players start playing in England > Now there is diving.

There is no diving in English football, and players got paid like shit and worked as bricklayers in the summer > English football becomes the richest league in the world > success means players and clubs earn a lot more money > so players try to use every advantage they can to gain an advantage over their opponents.

[21st Century Fox]

There is no diving in English football, and players got paid like shit and worked as bricklayers in the summer > English football becomes the richest league in the world > success means players and clubs earn a lot more money > so players try to use every advantage they can to gain an advantage over their opponents.

This.

Football has it's hand wrapped firmly round the c*ck of big business, where you do whatever is necessary to gain an advantage. Cheats and match-fixers don't do it because their pride's at stake.

[Jordan]

"Every advantage to gain an advantage" I think I just spoke some Ronglish there. I wonder what Big Ron would have to say about this issue.

[21st Century Fox]

"Every advantage to gain an advantage" I think I just spoke some Ronglish there. I wonder what Big Ron would have to say about this issue.

It would be sensible not to ask him without at least pointing out there's a microphone on in front of him.

[martyn]

In opinion there are two types of cheat in football.

1. the player that simulates being fouled/wronged

2. one that actually fouls/handles etc.

The former is a nasty cancer that has crept in from continental football and is all that is total and utter shiite in our game. If I had the money I would pull British football away from FIFA and start again with strict rulings in place to stamp out this play acting, whinging, moaning, diving, crying, appealing for red card bollox. The rest of the sporting world must look on at football and bemoan what a bunch of overpaid babies we have created. I say "we", I actually mean SKY and the powers that run football. Money corrupts and it has corupted our beautiful game into a farce. It is this farce that has come from the continent and I would be quite happy to close our boarders and play our own game.

The latter scenario, whilst still unacceptable, has an honesty to it. The foul that is committed under the ref's nose through sheer passion or will to win. A foul is made but the consequences are accepted. sometimes it's an impulsive handball to prevent a goal and others it's a calculated professional foul but it is performed in front of the ref in the open.

I don't want to see Drogba, however good he may be, diving and rolling and pr. I would also rather see Barton than Tevez. Note it was Tevez that started that spat and through the first punch yet Barton's shrugging swing of the elbow to free himself of his assailant acts as a catalyst for Tevez dropping to the ground and holding his face, despite the fact that the blow hit his chest. What happened afterwards was madness by Barton, but let's face it - it was great entertainment. The fact is that Barton will get a huge ban and fine. Non face Garth Crooks is already calling for a 6 month ban. But what about Tevez? Nothing he slides back to his rat-face sewer.Herein lies everything I hate about football. Dishonesty wins again and again and yet we as fans just have to put up with it.

Of course, we can't pull out of FIFA or UEFA and create our own rules as we couldn't afford the top players and our home grown talent would move abroad but something has to be done to stop these cheats and until we can dispalce Blatter, Platini, and Beckenbauer the game will continue with in this vein. What is baffling is why this cheating is allowed and why our game is becoming less and less physical. I seriously believe there is an element of anti-englishness about the whole set up and they know that the more physical and honest game suits us.

My general rule of thumb....the hotter the country, the bigger the cheats.

Who is to say that a player attempting to ensure an opposition player is sent off is not done through a "passion and will to win" by attempting to gain their side an advantage?

Secondly, it's not as if Barton is perpetrating these noble professional fouls of which you speak, unless punching Morten Gamst Pedersen in the chest, studding Dickson Etuhu in the groin, and attempting to maim Xabi Alonso by a corner flag uphold the aforementioned nobility. That's not even mentioning his off the field endeavours.

Point is, cheating is an unfortunate part of football and should be punished accordingly, but so should behaving like an absolute thug.

As for foreigners being to blame for diving, it's so typically British that we've placed ourselves atop this moral pedestal, as if we're some sort of bastions for fair play. Francis Lee was diving in the 1970's, Lineker was known to take an easy tumble when the situation demanded, Gerrard, Owen and Rooney have been guilty of some of the most laughable dives I've seen. We're as bad as any, and our whining that "they did it first" doesn't wash.

[SystonFox]

i'd like to see Barton vs Ballotelli in the ring

[Kitchandro]

someone posted on here the other day that younger players like Young only do it because they've been influenced by Johnny foreigner.

TBF, it's sort of true.

As someone else has said, there is a culture of diving and play acting around Europe/South America, it's been the case for many, many years to the extent where the fans agree with it. This is not me being anti-foreigner, it's simply true, I know Italian and spanish football fans who openly admit that they think diving and play acting is part of the game and that they encourage any players to do that if it gains them an advantage. It's win at all costs, conscience doesn't come into it. Speak to English football fans and most will have the opposite view.

Now I'm well aware that a lot of English/British players cheat and dive (though play acting is a lot less common among British players, IMO, I can't think of any who have Sergio Busquets syndrome) and it's just as unacceptable when they do it. But I think it's more of a modern thing in this country, it happens a lot more than it used to. And why wouldn't it? Young palyers have grown up in the last 15 years seeing players not just get away with it, but benefit immensely at times from such behaviour.

I actually can't watch La Liga, I tried to watch El Classico the other week but instead of 2 great teams playing great football it was apathetic, shildish affair with petty fouls and embarrassing attempts to get opposition players booked. Everyime I see a match in that league, most of the time people are just faking injury.

Anyway, whether this is a European/ South American thing that has been spread to England is neither here nor there, the point is it's disgraceful and the authorities should be taking a hard line with it, though I'm sure they won't.

I'm not sure why the Barton/Tevez thing has been used as an example though, Barton was completely out of order and deserves a long ban for being a thug.