Manwell Pablo Posted 18 July 2013 Posted 18 July 2013 Without being harsh I'll be so happy when Sepp drops dead. Wont make a blind bit of difference, he's just the (highly punchable) face of it all.
ousefox Posted 18 July 2013 Posted 18 July 2013 Wish Blatter would just **** off. The whole organisation is a load of shit. A few countries need to have to bollocks to pull out of it. I would be happy if we did.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 18 July 2013 Posted 18 July 2013 Rather we just didnt go to hat WC, someone needs to make a stand.
MooseBreath Posted 18 July 2013 Posted 18 July 2013 There'll be some nice money to be earned over there when it starts getting closer, that's for sure.
Jordan Posted 18 July 2013 Posted 18 July 2013 Not that everyone's a fan of how, say, the Premier League operates, but what's stopping Europe's top leagues from banding together and refusing to alter their schedules to accommodate for a winter World Cup? Sadly, the only real challenge to FIFA wouldn't be from those that are truly concerned about "the good of the game," but by the elite clubs, who have the best players under contract and who have the financial clout to go toe-to-toe with FIFA and the FA's. It's a lose-lose situation.
hairy Posted 18 July 2013 Posted 18 July 2013 If it goes ahead in winter it will be interesting to see if the top teams hold their players back when qualifying in the hope England don't make it and not disrupt the season. But by the way England appear to be going they probably wont have to even bother doing that!
Sharpe's Fox Posted 18 July 2013 Posted 18 July 2013 Jesus, when we look back back a few years ago who knew that Qatar gets so hot in summer? Not me that's for sure! I mean its in the Arabian Gulf, an area famed for its temperate climates, footballing culture and tolerance. FIFA, you have been swindled by these lovable Arabs, oh well, we could just disrupt the footballing hub of the entire world to cater for your teensy mistake!
purpleronnie Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1506462/fifa-host-2022-world-cup-november?cc=5739 FIFA to move World Cup to November FIFA is now planning to host the 2022 World Cup in Qatar in November rather than January, a source at the governing body told kicker. FIFA president Sepp Blatter has confirmed that he intends to ask for the tournament to be held in the winter as temperatures in the Gulf state can reach 50°C during the summer. It was initially expected that the tournament would be brought forward to January 2012, but kicker reports the intention is now to move it to November that year, with the final set to take place on December 18. A winter World Cup would have a significant effect on domestic football across Europe. The major leagues in the continent all kick off in the summer, with the Russian Premier League changing its schedule to follow the same pattern a year ago, and will face severe disruption as a result of the Qatar tournament.
AdamN Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 So how feasible would it be for the major European leagues to band together and tell FIFA to go fuck themselves? Is there any way that clubs could prevent players from travelling to the World Cup and just continue with their season as normal? I can't imagine Blatter and Co would be too happy if the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Götze, Falcao, RVP, Agüero, etc (or their 2022 equivalents, at least) were forbidden from participating. That is, of course, assuming that the respective heads of those leagues aren't just as corrupt as the cunts that rule over them in Zurich...
oxford blue Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Further to the last 2 comments, it was reported that if was decided that the tournament must be held in the "winter months" (for health of players & spectators alike) the European countries would seek a new vote on the venue. A wishful hope the world cup could come to England?
21st Century Fox Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 The photo of FIFA Vice-President Jim Boyce the BBC are using on their article is ****ing brilliant.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23456671
anotherharboroughfox Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 If anyone's going to take a stand over it, I'd expect it to be ze Germans. Unfortunately I just can't see a wide-scale boycott.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 26 July 2013 Posted 26 July 2013 If anyone's going to take a stand over it, I'd expect it to be ze Germans. Unfortunately I just can't see a wide-scale boycott. Surely it would only need the Premier League, La LIga, the Bundesliga and Serie A to refuse to release their players for this idea to be scrapped. Most of the top players play in those 4 leagues.
Kitchandro Posted 26 July 2013 Posted 26 July 2013 If anyone's going to take a stand over it, I'd expect it to be ze Germans. Unfortunately I just can't see a wide-scale boycott. I can't imagine anyone's going to be happy about this. All the European leagues would prefer it to be in the summer I'm sure. If they think they could get the world cup moved they might make a stand.
Guest Bilo Posted 26 July 2013 Posted 26 July 2013 Isnt homosexuality illegal in Qatar??? Off topic I know but surely a reason for a boycott? Cristiano Ronaldo should have retired by then. In all seriousness, it's just one of many reasons to boycott. I hope the whole thing collapses.
leicsmac Posted 26 July 2013 Posted 26 July 2013 Cristiano Ronaldo should have retired by then. In all seriousness, it's just one of many reasons to boycott. I hope the whole thing collapses. I think if all the major European leagues choose to make a stand - and they might - then this may well be the outcome. Awarding it to Qatar was a farce in the first place - should have gone to Oz.
Floating Fox Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Probably going to get slated for this but meh. I can understand why they don't want to play in the summer but as far as I know the stadiums are going to have roofs and be Air-conditioned (with the power coming from solar too!). I was in Bahrain (next door) last summer and played a few 90 minute games on a full size pitch in the middle of summer with temperatures hitting 50c. Yes I know that its a far cry for world cup but they are also meant to be proffesional athletes. The temperatures are rarely over 30 in the winter out there and also high winds which make it feel cooler. Also, whatever you think of their laws on homosexuality, if it is their country then you have to apply to their rules & laws. It's absurd to expect them to change their ways because the world cup is going there. They are donating stadium parts to worse off countries afterwards which I think is a good thing. The whole "But you can't drink" is bull. They are going to have fan parks with Alcohol sold and if its anything like Bahrain then it will be peppered with Nightclubs, bars & strip joints that all sell alcohol. It is only illegal to consume it in public places. From what I understand their workers rights for the Indian/Pakistani lot are a lot worse than in Bahrain but I don't know enough to comment on that really. That would be a better reason to boycott than any other. I was sceptical (to say the least) at first but now, probably due to spending time in the Middle East and seeing how amazing it is - I'm quite looking forward to it, think it will be something completly different to a normal world cup. I can see why people wouldn't want a winter world cup and I can also see why people think Qatar wouldn't be a good host nation, but UEFA and FIFA are clearly looking to alternatives to the norm for tournaments at the minute. As far as I'm aware Euro 2020 won't even have a host nation they are just going to be played at a load of random cities across Europe?
Kitchandro Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Probably going to get slated for this but meh. I can understand why they don't want to play in the summer but as far as I know the stadiums are going to have roofs and be Air-conditioned (with the power coming from solar too!). I was in Bahrain (next door) last summer and played a few 90 minute games on a full size pitch in the middle of summer with temperatures hitting 50c. Yes I know that its a far cry for world cup but they are also meant to be proffesional athletes. The temperatures are rarely over 30 in the winter out there and also high winds which make it feel cooler. Also, whatever you think of their laws on homosexuality, if it is their country then you have to apply to their rules & laws. It's absurd to expect them to change their ways because the world cup is going there. They are donating stadium parts to worse off countries afterwards which I think is a good thing. The whole "But you can't drink" is bull. They are going to have fan parks with Alcohol sold and if its anything like Bahrain then it will be peppered with Nightclubs, bars & strip joints that all sell alcohol. It is only illegal to consume it in public places. From what I understand their workers rights for the Indian/Pakistani lot are a lot worse than in Bahrain but I don't know enough to comment on that really. That would be a better reason to boycott than any other. I was sceptical (to say the least) at first but now, probably due to spending time in the Middle East and seeing how amazing it is - I'm quite looking forward to it, think it will be something completly different to a normal world cup. I can see why people wouldn't want a winter world cup and I can also see why people think Qatar wouldn't be a good host nation, but UEFA and FIFA are clearly looking to alternatives to the norm for tournaments at the minute. As far as I'm aware Euro 2020 won't even have a host nation they are just going to be played at a load of random cities across Europe? Hang on, the argument isn't that they should change their laws, if they want to be backward and anti-freedom that's their choice. The argument is countries with such bad ethics shouldn't be handed the world cup. The last world cup tried to be different with it being in Africa and it was arguably the worst ever. The first Asian world cup had many flaws too. The best World Cups have been in South America and Western Europe. I'm not sure how you can be so passive about the world cup being held in winter - it would be a total and utter disgrace (well, the whole thing is already but that would be even more sickening).
Father Ted Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Hang on, the argument isn't that they should change their laws, if they want to be backward and anti-freedom that's their choice. The argument is countries with such bad ethics shouldn't be handed the world cup. The last world cup tried to be different with it being in Africa and it was arguably the worst ever. The first Asian world cup had many flaws too. The best World Cups have been in South America and Western Europe. I'm not sure how you can be so passive about the world cup being held in winter - it would be a total and utter disgrace (well, the whole thing is already but that would be even more sickening). Floating Fox makes an absolutely reasonable and balanced post and you barge in completely missing the point. 'Countries with such bad ethics' - this is quite possibly the biggest load of crap that I've ever heard. Every country views different countries differently... didn't see anybody crying when USA had it. I agree that the best world cups have been in South America and Europe however, the word WORLD cup should hint something and it was only a matter of time before the cup was to go to an Asian country again.
Kitchandro Posted 29 July 2013 Posted 29 July 2013 Floating Fox makes an absolutely reasonable and balanced post and you barge in completely missing the point. 'Countries with such bad ethics' - this is quite possibly the biggest load of crap that I've ever heard. Every country views different countries differently... didn't see anybody crying when USA had it. I agree that the best world cups have been in South America and Europe however, the word WORLD cup should hint something and it was only a matter of time before the cup was to go to an Asian country again. But YOU'RE missing the point - I couldn't care less if a bunch of backward, closed-minded, judgemental arseholes think I have bad ethics, because they're insane. They're in the wrong and if you have any standards you'll accept that. I think a lot of people thought giving it to USA was a bad idea at the time, maybe you just weren't looking hard enough. You didn't have the internet then. There is nothing balanced about being a FIFA or Qatari apologist, or thinking that the world cup being given to Qatar is anything but a disgraceful act done by corrupt bastards, or claims that on what we know now it will be a good world cup.
Finnaldo Posted 30 July 2013 Posted 30 July 2013 Floating Fox makes an absolutely reasonable and balanced post and you barge in completely missing the point. 'Countries with such bad ethics' - this is quite possibly the biggest load of crap that I've ever heard. Every country views different countries differently... didn't see anybody crying when USA had it. They do have bad ethics though. I fail to see how you could defend a country that opresses a group of people because of their natural sexual orientation. It's oppressive, narrow minded and very much facist, and I hope for the dignity of a sport whose very fundamentals it to unite people of all walks of life that the whole thing is boycotted and collapses.
Guest Bilo Posted 30 July 2013 Posted 30 July 2013 Qatar should never have been awarded the right to host the World Cup. It's homophobic, exploits workers and is undemocratic. It is unethical to give such a country the world's biggest sporting tournament. It is hopelessly impractical to play in 50 degree heat and the World Cup is a summer tournament, not a winter one. I hope the thing gets boycotted by every FIFA member and a breakaway tournament is held where it should have been held in the first place, Australia.
Floating Fox Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 Kitch....That's your opion of them though. They might see certain aspects of western cultrure as Insane. I don't see much debate over Russia being awarded the Olympics AND the world cup, yet their track record on discrimation (Not just sexuality but also race) is probably as bad as Qatar's if not worse? Finn.... I'm not sure what you mean as to Natural sexual orientation but that's a whole other topic. Just because Homosexuality is banned in Qatar, doesn't mean gay people can't attend. They're not going to get a big flashing light saying GAY ALERT when they pass through customs. They can do whatever the like in their hotel rooms. It is just banned in public. Sure they probably won't want to go anyway! I don't see how the game isn't uniting people from ALL walks of life still? I agree the Best world cups (In OUR opinion) have been held in SA & Europe, but we can't just look to these two places to host because they are better for us. Other nations may think diffrently! It is a world cup and FIFA are clearly set about making sure everyone gets a turn. I'd agree on a boycott if we were talking discrimination to the point of Zimbabwe or if there was serious internal problems like Syria etc but the truth is far from a situation like that. The questions raised as wether the FIFA members took bribes to persuade them to pick Qatar is a story that I doubt we'll ever find out the truth. It could well be true but we just don't know.
Kitchandro Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 Kitch....That's your opion of them though. They might see certain aspects of western cultrure as Insane. I don't see much debate over Russia being awarded the Olympics AND the world cup, yet their track record on discrimation (Not just sexuality but also race) is probably as bad as Qatar's if not worse? Loads of people complained about it being handed to Russia. It shouldn't have been awarded to them either but I think most hold the view that Qatar is an even more bizarre decision. I don't really see how you can defend them for having a different opinion when their opinion is so wrong. To any level headed liberal human being it must be wrong. Their is something wrong with these people, I have no problem saying that. We are better than them. We treat people better. And that is how I judge others, on how they treat people, their attitudes to people. Not because they offend some god that probably isn't real. They judge Western culture on the wrong criteria, that's why they're wrong. Western culture isn't perfect but it's a lot more fair than their's. In terms of a practical, moral and footballing debate, Qatar is an awful choice for the world cup. Even if the football turned out to be some of the best seen at a world cup, it would still be the wrong decision, because it was made for the wrong reasons.
Floating Fox Posted 3 August 2013 Posted 3 August 2013 You make a better point this time mate. I am inclined to agree with you, espcially on your point about how they treat people. I agree there were better choices too but Qatar is what was picked and i don't think that we should boycott it though. I think it'll be a different take of the world cup similar to SA and i'm thinking of going over.
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