sphericalfox Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Sorry but that is just no true . Ref my other post I have a brother in-law who openly tells me and anyone else who will listen he could not get a job that would pay anywhere near as much as he gets in benefits for being unemployed with four kids , and don't forget the child benefits as well. The thought that a packet of condoms is relatively cheaper than having another child has never crossed his mind ( he has had all four while being unemployed ) Yes it is his right to have as many children as he wants but not his right to expect the rest of society to pay for their upbringing. Can I ask how old you are chief, if I remember rightly you posted in the Exam thread? I'm trying to establish what angle you are coming from so please excuse if you see it as an intrusion into your privacy.
flowwolf Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Can I ask how old you are chief, if I remember rightly you posted in the Exam thread? I'm trying to establish what angle you are coming from so please excuse if you see it as an intrusion into your privacy. There is no age bar for taking exams. I won't take it as an intrusion as I can see your line of thought. so on that note I will leave it.
sphericalfox Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 There is no age bar for taking exams so on that note I will leave it. Sure, there's no age bar, and people can go back to do exams etc. I'm just trying to establish your tax paying credentials, what being a student and all.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 The problem is virtually every benefit introduced for those in genuine need of help will suck in those that don't need it, the only way around it is complicated, expensive means testing that ends up costing more than you save. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Whilst the rich exploit tax loops, the poor exploit benefit rules. It's not that there's anything specifically wrong with tax or benefit, it's more to the fact that many human beings are not even worth their weight in dung. I for one will welcome our alien overlords.
I am Rod Hull Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 The unemployed under 25`s are an easy target, that`s all this is about.
The Doctor Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 If benefits are your only source of income how can that be? Sorry but that is just no true . Ref my other post I have a brother in-law who openly tells me and anyone else who will listen he could not get a job that would pay anywhere near as much as he gets in benefits for being unemployed with four kids , and don't forget the child benefits as well. The thought that a packet of condoms is relatively cheaper than having another child has never crossed his mind ( he has had all four while being unemployed ) Yes it is his right to have as many children as he wants but not his right to expect the rest of society to pay for their upbringing. The cost of raising a child up to 21 is at £218,000, for that to be covered you'd need £10,380.95 per year in benefits, which works out as £199.63 p/w. An unemployed couple with no disabilities would need at least 3 kids to receive that.
Rincewind Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Sorry but that is just no true . Ref my other post I have a brother in-law who openly tells me and anyone else who will listen he could not get a job that would pay anywhere near as much as he gets in benefits for being unemployed with four kids , and don't forget the child benefits as well. The thought that a packet of condoms is relatively cheaper than having another child has never crossed his mind ( he has had all four while being unemployed ) Yes it is his right to have as many children as he wants but not his right to expect the rest of society to pay for their upbringing. If your brother in law got a job it still would leave him less to live on than he could manage so taking away benefits would omnly cause hardship. There are many more who are responsible but need benefits just to exist.
flowwolf Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Sure, there's no age bar, and people can go back to do exams etc. I'm just trying to establish your tax paying credentials, what being a student and all. Ah I'm with you ! Yes I do have a full time job and have gone back to do exams. I also have a daughter who is student ( and yes I call her a tax dodger to wind her up ) Oh the irony of it all. :D :D
flowwolf Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Whilst the rich exploit tax loops, the poor exploit benefit rules. It's not that there's anything specifically wrong with tax or benefit, it's more to the fact that many human beings are not even worth their weight in dung. I for one will welcome our alien overlords. Pure class ! :D :D :D :D
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Ah I'm with you ! Yes I do have a full time job and have gone back to do exams. I also have a daughter who is student ( and yes I call her a tax dodger to wind her up ) Oh the irony of it all. :D :D Flowwolf. Wind people up?
flowwolf Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 If your brother in law got a job it still would leave him less to live on than he could manage so taking away benefits would omnly cause hardship. There are many more who are responsible but need benefits just to exist. Yes I totally agree with you ! As i said it's the system that is to blame and until a government has the balls to change things he will just go on doing nothing all day and having no sense of self worth, he's as trapped as the man who cannot afford to give up work.
flowwolf Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Flowwolf. Wind people up? To be fair people do it to me all the time on here ( and they are bloody good at it ) it's just part of the fun as I see it. :thumbup: :thumbup:
Bryn Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 There are already thousands of young adults homeless in this country, not necessarily because they were work shy or turned to drugs. My mum works for a project that takes homeless young adults in, gets them into rehabilitation programmes, education schemes, and eventually into council accommodation, thus providing them with a chance of a future rather than just a life on the streets. The Government has already cut its support for schemes like this, and now it's cutting house benefit, which is now pretty much the only source of funding these places get (by claiming it on behalf of the person they shelter). It's absolutely scandalous and another step far, far beyond the line of respectable austerity.
Rincewind Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 The project I am involved in helps to train people that have been homeless to get involved in a community news group and contribute first by training then training others. The ones I know have had housing problems and have managed to move on. Without help this would not have been possible and cutting down on funding for these organizations hostels etc. will mean more homelessness. But I'm wasting my time on here with all the 'I'm alright Jacks' The sort that spit on someone sitting in a doorway not looking at their face and failing to see the medal on their chest and the walking stick by their side.
Phube Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 The cost of raising a child up to 21 is at £218,000, for that to be covered you'd need £10,380.95 per year in benefits, which works out as £199.63 p/w. An unemployed couple with no disabilities would need at least 3 kids to receive that. Therefore if you can't afford to do it... don't!
ADK Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 I don't really get it, the age of majority in this country is 18, not 25.
I am Rod Hull Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Therefore if you can't afford to do it... don't! What if you could afford to do it but lost your job at a later date? nothing to fall back on?
Dr The Singh Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 What if you could afford to do it but lost your job at a later date? nothing to fall back on? Your foooked!! I personally think benefits should be given and if your unable to find a job, you will have to perform community duties etc until you do!
Webbo Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 The cost of raising a child up to 21 is at £218,000, for that to be covered you'd need £10,380.95 per year in benefits, which works out as £199.63 p/w. An unemployed couple with no disabilities would need at least 3 kids to receive that. I've got 3 kids so that's £31,140 per year we need and we don't earn/receive in benefits anything like that, plus we have to feed and house ourselves. There are unemployed bringing up kids solely on benefits so obviously it is possible to raise kids on less.
FoxyPV Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Childcare cost are the killer for working parents. It's like second mortgage. If you are a male under 25, you are fvcked any way when it comes to benefits. You will get your JSA/DLA and that's about it. Getting any kind of accommodation is a pipe dream due the manner in which the system works.
z-layrex Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Nothing in life worth having comes easily. If you couldnt be bothered to work hard in school, or cant be arsed with gaining skills in adult life to make you employable then you should starve in the street. We are all given every oppurtunity to make something of ourselves in this country.
Daggers Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Nothing in life worth having comes easily. If you couldnt be bothered to work hard in school, or cant be arsed with gaining skills in adult life to make you employable then you should starve in the street. We are all given every oppurtunity to make something of ourselves in this country. Then try learning to spell and punctuate before coming out with such a steaming pile of shit.
z-layrex Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Then try learning to spell and punctuate before coming out with such a steaming pile of shit. Im typing on a phone in the back of a car, whats the point in punctuation if its a quick forum post, you pedantic tit. I know how to spell opportunity, you never made any typos?
Daggers Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Im typing on a phone in the back of a car, whats the point in punctuation if its a quick forum post, you pedantic tit. Because, dear cuntbollocks, it displays a lazy mind deserving of no attention. You go and starve in the street you halfsharp cockbrain.
Vacamion Posted 24 June 2012 Posted 24 June 2012 Nothing in life worth having comes easily. If you couldnt be bothered to work hard in school, or cant be arsed with gaining skills in adult life to make you employable then you should starve in the street. Is this a quote from Gove's speech to the Commons about exam reform last week?
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