Animal rights

[Rincewind]

There is a down loadable leaflet or is available from their shops.

Animals in research

We are dedicated to saving lives by developing better treatments and cures for heart conditions. As part of this work we support essential research using cells grown in a laboratory, computer models, and human volunteers. Where these are not feasible, we fund research using animals.

All our grant applications go through a strict peer review system when deciding which to fund. This makes sure that all BHF-funded scientists are following a clear set of principles - the three Rs - to

reduce the number of animals used and maximise their welfare.

• replace experiments with non-animal alternatives where possible
  
• reduce the number of animals used
  
• refine the care and attention of animals to achieve the highest welfare standards
  

When our researchers do use animals, all work is carried out in line with strict Home Office guidelines.

This is not an issue we or our funded researchers take lightly.

The research community is constantly developing new techniques to help us use fewer animals or non-animal models. Our scientists carry out as much of their research as possible on human volunteers, cells, or computers.

However, completely replacing all animals in research is not yet possible. There is no alternative method that can reproduce the complicated working of our hearts and circulatory systems.

More work to be done

Many of the treatments we commonly use today could not have been developed without animal research. Heart failure medicines, pacemakers, and heart transplants are just a few examples.

But heart and circulatory disease is still the UK’s single biggest killer. We need more research to develop new treatments and help people live longer happier lives. And sometimes, we will need animal research to do this.

For more information please see our Animal and Heart Research leaflet or email [email protected]

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[Kitchandro]

Im not forcing anyone to agree with me, logic is doing that.

I accept you can deny it, but not if you want to be honest or logical. You can also say the black is white..it clearly isnt, but you can say it... if you want to prove yourself a fool.

There are not laws that prevent it... because yes they are considered infeior...in much the same way, blacks and women were in the past.

Yes, they should be grateful that we, the more intelligent, more evolved, humans show them compassion and respect.... its a pity that that compassion and respect dooesnt extend to not killing them for pleasure.

I show compassion and respect to 2 cats, I even bloody feed the buggers. If my family were the size of the borrowers do you think they'd do the same for us?

My Grandparents own geese. Have you ever been around geese? Bloody arseholes. Vicious bastards that would poke your eyes out as soon as look at you. An intelligent and evolved human would realise they are only good for one thing.

[Trav Le Bleu]

I am a meat eater, but I admit that I probably shouldn't, and I do try and limit how much farmed meat I eat, but it is not always easy, or tasty to do so, I think we should take much more care in where we get our meat from, again not easy, and be more aware of the effect eating meat has on our planet.

Am I the only one who read this as, "I prefer roadkill."

[Zingari]

I show compassion and respect to 2 cats, I even bloody feed the buggers. If my family were the size of the borrowers do you think they'd do the same for us?

My Grandparents own geese. Have you ever been around geese? Bloody arseholes. Vicious bastards that would poke your eyes out as soon as look at you. An intelligent and evolved human would realise they are only good for one thing.

What's that ? wait a minute let me guess .

Is it teaching Nazi soldiers to march ?

[FoxyPV]

I ****ing hate cats. Vicious, evil bastards.

[Manwell Pablo]

I ****ing hate cats. Vicious, evil bastards.

They said the same about blacks and women once.

[ozleicester]

yes you have answered all my questions and if I don't accept your answers perhaps you shouldn't give such sh1t ones with lack of feasibiliy.

I'll keep it nice and simple for you as I know if I give more than one question to answer you'll just pick and choose your arguement.

Please justify, the death of children unable to brest feed for the sake of keeping cows in capativity leading a as good, if not better better life style than they would if left to their on divises. The only arguement I've seen on this is you saying cows milk is bad for kids, well yes it probably isn't great but it is certainly better than fvcking nothing!

Not to mention that fish is also a key ingrediant in forumla milk.

Fairies bringing us a magical replacement in the future is not an answer.

As for my tone, it is bought on by your lack of respect for other posters, condecending manner, and your desire to ram your opnions down others throat despite your lack of insight. I don't need to worry about world without meat, It's your dream world that will never happen so why would I be worried . Although you accuse me of not listening, I have told you time again I have not even mentioned eating meat during our entire discussion I have stuck to things which are strictly nescc for human survival and sustaining decent living standards. I am arguing about not keeping any animals for any of our needs at all.

Question 1 - Part 1 - A very small number (believed to be less than 5%) of women are unable to breastfeed and without doubt, breast feeding is the ideal, (i assume you dont argue with this as it has been proven that cows milk is actually bad for humans),

"....The proteins in cow's milk are different from human milk proteins and cause problems of digestion, intolerance, impaired absorption of other nutrients, and autoimmune reactions. Few of the proteins meant for baby cows are found naturally in human mother's milk, and none are found in any natural adult human food. Even the high protein content in cow's milk creates problems. Human babies need the saturated fats and cholesterol in mother's milk. Bovine milk fat is not appropriately composed for human babies and is only deleterious to the health of children and adults".... I dont know why you would consider providing the milk of another animal to your child once you knew the dangers.

Part 2 - Infasoy is a vegetarian alternative to regular formula!

Question answered! - next

As to your tone, i hope you can share with everyone a picture of you in your "Super Foxestalk man" outfit, protecting the other poor, stupid, incapable FTers from the evils of my "tone".

What a piss poor joke, most of the other posters in here and across the board are able to discuss and posit opinions in an articulate and adult fashion without the need for childlike insults, and as others have mentioned and as i have tried to ensure, i have spoken to people in the same way that they have spoken to me, you arent capable of holding an adult discussion and so you fall into weak jokes, snide remarks and lame attempts at humour and put down. Grow up.

"I have stuck to things which are strictly nescc for human survival" So eating meat is not neccesary for our survival?, is that what you are saying?

If so, you are also saying you kill and eat animals purely for your pleasure? Im not judging that, just trying to understand where you are coming from.

If you had read the preceeding pages you will have seen that i have acknowledged that the death of animals to prevent the death of humans is something i accept, but something that we can change by recognising that they have (or should have) rights and if there is an alternative that is what we should be using.

Edited 30 December 2012 by ozleicester

[ozleicester]

I show compassion and respect to 2 cats, I even bloody feed the buggers. If my family were the size of the borrowers do you think they'd do the same for us?

My Grandparents own geese. Have you ever been around geese? Bloody arseholes. Vicious bastards that would poke your eyes out as soon as look at you. An intelligent and evolved human would realise they are only good for one thing.

make no mistake, cats are the true rulers of the eath, we are mere slaves to them.

I dislike geese, the ones i have experienced are aggresive, loud smelly, bastards (much like Bernie tbh )... but, (much like Bernie), i hold a grudging respect for their atttitude to life.

[Manwell Pablo]

Question 1 - Part 1 - A very small number (believed to be less than 5%) of women are unable to breastfeed and without doubt, breast feeding is the ideal, (i assume you dont argue with this as it has been proven that cows milk is actually bad for humans),

"....The proteins in cow's milk are different from human milk proteins and cause problems of digestion, intolerance, impaired absorption of other nutrients, and autoimmune reactions. Few of the proteins meant for baby cows are found naturally in human mother's milk, and none are found in any natural adult human food. Even the high protein content in cow's milk creates problems. Human babies need the saturated fats and cholesterol in mother's milk. Bovine milk fat is not appropriately composed for human babies and is only deleterious to the health of children and adults".... I dont know why you would consider providing the milk of another animal to your child once you knew the dangers.

Part 2 - Infasoy is a vegetarian alternative to regular formula!

Question answered! - next

As to your tone, i hope you can share with everyone a picture of you in your "Super Foxestalk man" outfit, protecting the other poor, stupid, incapable FTers from the evils of my "tone".

What a piss poor joke, most of the other posters in here and across the board are able to discuss and posit opinions in an articulate and adult fashion without the need for childlike insults, and as others have mentioned and as i have tried to ensure, i have spoken to people in the same way that they have spoken to me, you arent capable of holding an adult discussion and so you fall into weak jokes, snide remarks and lame attempts at humour and put down. Grow up.

"I have stuck to things which are strictly nescc for human survival" So eating meat is not neccesary for our survival?, is that what you are saying?

If so, you are also saying you kill and eat animals purely for your pleasure? Im not judging that, just trying to understand where you are coming from.

If you had read the preceeding pages you will have seen that i have acknowledged that the death of animals to prevent the death of humans is something i accept, but something that we can change by recognising that they have (or should have) rights and if there is an alternative that is what we should be using.

Waste of time harping on about breast feeding all you want as I know full well it is best milk for children. I work for the NHS, which is exactly why I know there needs to be an alternative.

Infasoy?

Are you having a girrafe? I didn't even think you were stupid enough to bring that muck up otherwise I'd of mentioned it earlier

For one, a child younger than six months old is on pain of death advised to not touch it even if it is fit and healthy.

Even after that it can make a fully healthy baby between 6-12 months very very sick, never mind ones with special dietry requirements. It is gernerally used by children with problems drinking cows milk, not the best for them, but 1000 times better than that shit.

It's nice you've had a little look on google though, try reading all the facts.

Also nice you've looked up how many women can't breast feed, big hand clap it is only 5%, a tiny amount, it's not like the annual birth rate is 19.4 per 1000 people, and it's not like the worlds population is 6,000,000,000. Now obviously my child like brain struggles with maths, so let me know if I am now working this out right but that would (6,000,000,000/1000)*19.4 for total births.....now the figure I am currently coming out with seems ridiculously high so I'll humour you and only say 5,000,000 babys are born every year, in the entire world (we both now it is ridiculously more than that, double it, double it again, and then some)

5,000,000 multiplied by 0.05?.......... 250,000 babys.

So even if 1% (again, completley underflated) are the only ones that cannot tolerate your terrible subsitute. It is still 2,500 babys dying year in, year out. Because we'd rather not offer cows a better standard of living?

So questioned answered? As usual pal, nowhere near. Have another go. (next)

I am protecting no one, and if you think you were having a reasonable debate before I turned up and gave you the response you deserve you are very wrong. When I get back to work and have a couple of free hours when someone can pay me to trawl through your drivel I will do so. You were the one posting pictures of Nazi's amd Klu Klux clan members and comparing them to those that don't share your views (all tongue in cheek of course). But your the one justifying human death, that's even without the flu point which you've already conceaded you have no answer for. So who's worse?

My tone is horrfic when it comes to things like this I know that, spiteful cutting and worse of all for you straight to the point which is why I only reserve it for those that fully deserve it. Childish though....I don't thinks so, everything I say has a good reason behind it.

We can have a discussion about meat, i know that is what you are dying for, I've got no interest of doing it at the same time as a discussion about the world going vegan however, as you'll just diract away from the discussion I want to have with you, which you can either admit you are wrong on or answer properly.

Edited 30 December 2012 by Manwell Pablo

[Kitchandro]

make no mistake, cats are the true rulers of the eath, we are mere slaves to them.

I dislike geese, the ones i have experienced are aggresive, loud smelly, bastards (much like Bernie tbh )... but, (much like Bernie), i hold a grudging respect for their atttitude to life.

I thought you wanted equal rights?

If a bloke was acting like that to you would you say the same? Or would you say 'right you p***k, bite my arse one more time and I'm gonna gut you like a fish and drink your blood!'

Which leads me to: what about fish? Do you consider them on the same level as chickens? Or even dogs?

[Guest MattP]

Boxing Day Hunt was fantastic. Biggest turn out for years, great to see so many youngsters involved as well. Certainly gaining in popularity.

[FoxyPV]

They said the same about blacks and women once.

Women and blacks don't shit all over my garden (well, I don't think it's them)

[ozleicester]

Waste of time harping on about breast feeding all you want as I know full well it is best milk for children. I work for the NHS, which is exactly why I know there needs to be an alternative.

Infasoy?

Are you having a girrafe? I didn't even think you were stupid enough to bring that muck up otherwise I'd of mentioned it earlier

For one, a child younger than six months old is on pain of death advised to not touch it even if it is fit and healthy.

Even after that it can make a fully healthy baby between 6-12 months very very sick, never mind ones with special dietry requirements. It is gernerally used by children with problems drinking cows milk, not the best for them, but 1000 times better than that shit.

It's nice you've had a little look on google though, try reading all the facts.

Also nice you've looked up how many women can't breast feed, big hand clap it is only 5%, a tiny amount, it's not like the annual birth rate is 19.4 per 1000 people, and it's not like the worlds population is 6,000,000,000. Now obviously my child like brain struggles with maths, so let me know if I am now working this out right but that would (6,000,000,000/1000)*19.4 for total births.....now the figure I am currently coming out with seems ridiculously high so I'll humour you and only say 5,000,000 babys are born every year, in the entire world (we both now it is ridiculously more than that, double it, double it again, and then some)

5,000,000 multiplied by 0.05?.......... 250,000 babys.

So even if 1% (again, completley underflated) are the only ones that cannot tolerate your terrible subsitute. It is still 2,500 babys dying year in, year out. Because we'd rather not offer cows a better standard of living?

So questioned answered? As usual pal, nowhere near. Have another go. (next)

I am protecting no one, and if you think you were having a reasonable debate before I turned up and gave you the response you deserve you are very wrong. When I get back to work and have a couple of free hours when someone can pay me to trawl through your drivel I will do so. You were the one posting pictures of Nazi's amd Klu Klux clan members and comparing them to those that don't share your views (all tongue in cheek of course). But your the one justifying human death, that's even without the flu point which you've already conceaded you have no answer for. So who's worse?

My tone is horrfic when it comes to things like this I know that, spiteful cutting and worse of all for you straight to the point which is why I only reserve it for those that fully deserve it. Childish though....I don't thinks so, everything I say has a good reason behind it.

We can have a discussion about meat, i know that is what you are dying for, I've got no interest of doing it at the same time as a discussion about the world going vegan however, as you'll just diract away from the discussion I want to have with you, which you can either admit you are wrong on or answer properly.

You (wrongly) suggested there was no alternative to breast milk - i show that there is one and infact a number of others. (of course the establishment will shoot it down and question its suitablility, but this is the same establishment that supports kiling for pleasure). The people recomending not to touch it.. are also recomending that... "cows milk" look at those words... COWS MILK... is good for humans.

As i mention time and again, i do not support the life of animals ahead of the life of humans, ... i have written that i am opposed to using animals for our pleasure.

so, to make this easy to understand.

i am opposed to the use of animals for our (humans) pleasure.

[FoxyPV]

i am opposed to the use of animals for our (humans) pleasure.

But what if the sheep told you it really liked it.......

[ozleicester]

I thought you wanted equal rights?

If a bloke was acting like that to you would you say the same? Or would you say 'right you p***k, bite my arse one more time and I'm gonna gut you like a fish and drink your blood!'

Actually a very fair point, ideally, if some human was acting in that fashion, i certtainly would not kill them and im pretty sure you are the same.

Which leads me to: what about fish? Do you consider them on the same level as chickens? Or even dogs?

Yes

All animals have a right to not be used by humans for our pleasure.

But what if the sheep told you it really liked it.......

Doctor dolittle i presume?

[Webbo]

But what if the sheep told you it really liked it.......

[Manwell Pablo]

You (wrongly) suggested there was no alternative to breast milk - i show that there is one and infact a number of others. (of course the establishment will shoot it down and question its suitablility, but this is the same establishment that supports kiling for pleasure). The people recomending not to touch it.. are also recomending that... "cows milk" look at those words... COWS MILK... is good for humans.

As i mention time and again, i do not support the life of animals ahead of the life of humans, ... i have written that i am opposed to using animals for our pleasure.

so, to make this easy to understand.

i am opposed to the use of animals for our (humans) pleasure.

To make it easy to understand yeah that'll be the day.

<sigh>No I correctly told you that cows milk is the only substitute that wont end up resulting in the death of children. Breast milk is best for babys, cows milk will surfice if this is not possible, soy milk can kill children of a young age as it doesn't have the correct nutirents, this is biological fact, coming from people with 6 years of medical or bilogical education, (not a jumped up vegan extremist with more opnions than brain cells, I know which one I trust) it has nothing to do with society, unless your attempting to say there is some sort conspiracy going on by which the medical community is all part of a grand plan to keep us eating meat, in which case you're even closer to the looney bin that I thought!.

But you value human life over that of an animal, so I am guessing you are in favour of keeping cows in farms then? Given that thousands of children will die every without their milk

[Zingari]

Football and lots of other sports wouldn't have been possible without pig's bladders , leather , cat gut etc :xmassmile:

I agree with all the statements about animal welfare etc , but a world with no reliance on animals to provide us with stuff is probably too remote to consider .

Respect to Oz and his beliefs though and if he wants to keep raising awareness of the cruel horrors of animal treatment then fair play to him.

There's sure been some eye openers in here about cruelty.

[Rincewind]

Things have changed though in the last 100 years. These things are monitored and if any it does not pay to be overly cruel as the punishments are heavy. There are of course those that do break the rules and guidelines and these need to be addressed but on the whole it is not as bad or widespread as some of the extreme animal activists would have us believe.

[Kitchandro]

All animals have a right to not be used by humans for our pleasure.

Doctor dolittle i presume?

Well, the law says you're wrong.

You wouldn't kill them (I was exaggerating for effect ) but you certainly wouldn't 'hold a grudging respect for their attitude to life'.

[The Doctor]

All animals have a right to not be used by humans for our pleasure.

Have you ever used a natural sponge then?

[Zingari]

Have you ever used a natural sponge then?

my 2 ex wives were natural sponges and i'd say they used me !

[The Doctor]

my 2 ex wives were natural sponges and i'd say they used me !

But that's the animal using the human for pleasure - Oz is fine by that.

[Finnegan]

Had veal for the first time the other day from that little Italian on narborough rd. Absolutely lush.

[Charl91]

Had venison burgers for the first time the other day. They were pretty good!