Animal rights

[Mark_w]

He has a cat.

He locks it up and doesn't let it out which is just about one of the cruelist things you can do to a cat (hyprocrit)

He feeds it mainly vegeterian diet with some meat.

He is not saying we should end our reliance on meat striaght away but evolve blah blah blah waah waah wahh.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

There you go Oz saved you 10 minutes.

we have a cat. we have the cat because, had we not taken him, he wouldve been put down,. He is not kept for my pleasure, yes.. thousands of other are put down and i dont take them all so i cant make a difference to them all.. but i made a difference to that one!

There you go Oz saved you 10 minutes.

[Carl the Llama]

Regardless of why you have the cat, if you're keeping it indoors then you clearly can't provide it with the appropriate environment for it to live in and should look to relocate the poor moggie asap. Few things rile me as much as cat "lovers"/owners who keep an indoors cat.

[Manwell Pablo]

There you go Oz saved you 10 minutes.

He's better off dead than being locked up and fed a poor diet.

[Carl the Llama]

He's better of dead than being locked up and fed a poor diet.

But it's not being eaten to satisfy our erections so I guess that's ok.

[OzFox]

Anyone been to the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition? Some stunning images as usual. Can be seen online here

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/visit-us/whats-on/temporary-exhibitions/wpy/onlineGallery.do

Some shockers too, like this

Wandering behind the scenes at a Japanese aquarium, where captive dolphins perform for the paying public, Huang-Ju came across this scene. ‘I saw the workers scrubbing the tank,’ he says, ‘but then I suddenly realised there were dolphins lying in the drained pool.’ It was a stark reminder of how different life in a sterile aquarium is to a dolphin’s natural ocean habitat. ‘I was shocked,’ says Huang-Ju, ‘at how the staff ignored the dolphins and didn’t seem to be in any hurry to refill the pool.’ Such captivity seemed a high price for the animal to pay just for human entertainment.

[ozleicester]

Regardless of why you have the cat, if you're keeping it indoors then you clearly can't provide it with the appropriate environment for it to live in and should look to relocate the poor moggie asap. Few things rile me as much as cat "lovers"/owners who keep an indoors cat.

Actually you are wrong, cats are perfectly happy to live indoors as long as they are given the appropriate surroundings and stimulation, and in fact, they are safer and live better lives by virtue of not becoming involved in fights thereby catching feline aids and numerous other diseases, they are also not going to be run over etc, and lastly the native fauna is not being killed.

He's better off dead than being locked up and fed a poor diet.

I hope that the prisoners, hospital patients and pensioners in the UK are being protected from caring folk such as you.

But it's not being eaten to satisfy our erections so I guess that's ok.

[Manwell Pablo]

Actually you are wrong, cats are perfectly happy to live indoors as long as they are given the appropriate surroundings and stimulation, and in fact, they are safer and live better lives by virtue of not becoming involved in fights thereby catching feline aids and numerous other diseases, they are also not going to be run over etc, and lastly the native fauna is not being killed.

I hope that the prisoners, hospital patients and pensioners in the UK are being protected from caring folk such as you.

Doesn't yours gaze out the window for hours on end? Sounds like it's leading a thrilling life. Very cruel indeed.

And thats entirely different and you know it!

Perhaps we should lock you up in your house? There would certainly be less chance of you dying in a road accident, you would be much less likely to catch a disease of any description, you couldn't run over any animals in your car, and woudn't step on a "trail of ants" or any other insects.

[James.]

The RSPCA don't seem to think it's too bad as long as you provide the right environment and the cat has the appropriate background. I'll probably go with them.

http://www.rspca.org.uk/allaboutanimals/pets/cats/environment/indoors

[Leicester Piggott]

Cats do regularly catch birds, voles, mice etc, trust me.

A cat in the wild could easily live on a meat diet.

I think one of my domestic cats actually could very easily live from hunting wildlife if I stopped feeding him, but he's a little wild anyway.

[ozleicester]

Doesn't yours gaze out the window for hours on end? Sounds like it's leading a thrilling life. Very cruel indeed.

And thats entirely different and you know it!

Perhaps we should lock you up in your house? There would certainly be less chance of you dying in a road accident, you would be much less likely to catch a disease of any description, you couldn't run over any animals in your car, and woudn't step on a "trail of ants" or any other insects.

hahahaha.. oh...sorry...hahahaha, you seriously wrote this? hhahahahaha

cruel?

How many animals have you had killled this week to satisfy your desires?

Thanks for showing exactly the reason i used the word hypocrite.

[Manwell Pablo]

hahahaha.. oh...sorry...hahahaha, you seriously wrote this? hhahahahaha

cruel?

How many animals have you had killled this week to satisfy your desires?

Thanks for showing exactly the reason i used the word hypocrite.

How? I've made my position very clear, your the animal rights activist mis treating an animal not me, you're the hypocrit.

To answer your question I far as I'm aware I haven't killed any.

[MooseBreath]

I've indirectly killed a chicken, a pig and a cow already this week, but at least I'm not holding a desperate animal hostage, cruely forcing it to live while intentionally depriving it of its life. I think we've found out who the real sicko is now. I'm disgusted. How could you be so cruel to that poor defenceless animal? What is this thread all about really? You deliberately impose suffering on an animal and then come on here and over compensate to make yourself feel less guilty? Talk about moral evolution, you are one deeply deprived individual. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[cambridgefox]

Anyone been to the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition? Some stunning images as usual. Can be seen online here

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/visit-us/whats-on/temporary-exhibitions/wpy/onlineGallery.do

Some shockers too, like this

Wandering behind the scenes at a Japanese aquarium, where captive dolphins perform for the paying public, Huang-Ju came across this scene. ‘I saw the workers scrubbing the tank,’ he says, ‘but then I suddenly realised there were dolphins lying in the drained pool.’ It was a stark reminder of how different life in a sterile aquarium is to a dolphin’s natural ocean habitat. ‘I was shocked,’ says Huang-Ju, ‘at how the staff ignored the dolphins and didn’t seem to be in any hurry to refill the pool.’ Such captivity seemed a high price for the animal to pay just for human entertainment.

sorry can't help myself.

I think they are going slow on Porpoise !

[cambridgefox]

I've indirectly killed a chicken, a pig and a cow already this week, but at least I'm not holding a desperate animal hostage, cruely forcing it to live while intentionally depriving it of its life. I think we've found out who the real sicko is now. I'm disgusted. How could you be so cruel to that poor defenceless animal? What is this thread all about really? You deliberately impose suffering on an animal and then come on here and over compensate to make yourself feel less guilty? Talk about moral evolution, you are one deeply deprived individual. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There was a programme on Radio 4 the other day talking about diets of humans and animals and a vet said cats must have meat and before the 1930s cats suffered, and had low life expectancy s because of the lack of meat in their diets!

[Manwell Pablo]

There was a programme on Radio 4 the other day talking about diets of humans and animals and a vet said cats must have meat and before the 1930s cats suffered, and had low life expectancy s because of the lack of meat in their diets!

I wasn't too up on the subject.

But having been searching on the internet I have come across these SHOCKING images, it's about time the rest of the planet woke up and did something about the mistreatment of these cats.

[MooseBreath]

Those images are heart breaking and make me very angry. I can't begin to imagine how plainly evil you would have to be to keep an animal against its will in such tortuous conditions.

[Guest MattP]

Weird to say the least, it intrigues me and has been something ive tried to understand throughout this topic.

It is really less about what i think... what do you think?

I assume at some point you must imagine that pig, sheep, cow etc as a living creature, no different to the puppy, kitten or the (virtually human) chimp. How do you rationalise in your head that eating the flesh of a living, breathing, thinking creature?

But to answer your question. in my mind you are hypocrites...but your not alone, we all are.

Yeah as strange as it sounds I just view the cow, pig etc as food, I don't even really regard them as a living creature almost, justa part of the food chain there to satisfy the higher parts of it.

No problem with Hypocrisy, like you say, everyone is to some extent.

[Mark_w]

Yeah as strange as it sounds I just view the cow, pig etc as food, I don't even really regard them as a living creature almost, justa part of the food chain there to satisfy the higher parts of it.

No problem with Hypocrisy, like you say, everyone is to some extent.

Would be cool if you didn't talk about people who don't act so hypocritically like they're freaks though.

[Guest MattP]

Would be cool if you didn't talk about people who don't act so hypocritically like they're freaks though.

I'll try. You have got to admit though, it's quite manly to eat meat.

I feel so masculine after I've gored my way through a rare steak.

[MooseBreath]

Sometimes I do away with cutlery and eat rare steak with my hands, I love having the dead animal's blood all over my hands and face

[Babylon]

If it tastes good I'll eat it, dead, alive, raw, cooked, animal, vegetable or human... although only the last one if I was in a plane crash like 'Alive' and had to munch on someones leg to stay alive.

[The Doctor]

Right oz - you don't approve of eating bacon correct?

However if you don't eat bacon the pigs win, they survive - and have you read animal farm? They'll lead a revolution, then a rule of tyranny.

By supporting veganism, you support the tyrannical dictatorship of the pigs, and doom mankind.

[Jaspa]

Sometimes I do away with cutlery and eat rare steak with my hands, I love having the dead animal's blood all over my hands and face

I also think a forehead is purpose built tenderiser

Raw is fine, preferably still walm from its host

As for keeping a social, half wild, predatory animal locked in a house with Oz the meat basher for the rest of painful life I dispair

Let that poor moggy free

[OzFox]

Vegetarians 'cut heart risk by 32%'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21258509

Ditching meat and fish in favour of a vegetarian diet can have a dramatic effect on the health of your heart, research suggests.

A study of 44,500 people in England and Scotland showed vegetarians were 32% less likely to die or need hospital treatment as a result of heart disease.

Differences in cholesterol levels, blood pressure and body weight are thought to be behind the health boost.

The findings were published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

[sphericalfox]

Vegetarians 'cut heart risk by 32%'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21258509

Ditching meat and fish in favour of a vegetarian diet can have a dramatic effect on the health of your heart, research suggests.

A study of 44,500 people in England and Scotland showed vegetarians were 32% less likely to die or need hospital treatment as a result of heart disease.

Differences in cholesterol levels, blood pressure and body weight are thought to be behind the health boost.

The findings were published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

Here's a report from the BMJ. Not much difference for cancers I'm afraid. Though veggies gain an extra 8 years on average at the end of their lives. As we'll all be decrepit at that age anyways, I'll stick to my regular balanced meat and veg diet. Heart disease generally isn't caused by the actual meat, but primarily by the way it's processed or cooked.