MattyFromLE Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Just like the formation that Sven played and got criticised every week for not having wingers!!!! I much prefer it to 442 when he did it and am glad that NP has caught on after 12 months too!!! I don't think Sven was criticised for playing that formation, he was criticised for playing the wrong players in the wrong place. Pearson seems to have it nailed on yesterday.
Corky Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I don't think Sven was criticised for playing that formation, he was criticised for playing the wrong players in the wrong place. Pearson seems to have it nailed on yesterday. Yes, Fernandes on the left, King in an attacking role and Wellens playing a defensive role. What was he thinking?
Grey Fox Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 At the end of the day I think both 442 and 4231 are good formations. If we always play one way we will become too predictable. We need to be able to mix it up a bit and play both, even during the same game. Being able to switch formations quickly can only be a good thing IMO. It's horses for courses. There are bound to be some teams that can't handle us in 442, just like there will be some who can't handle us when we play 4231. In that sense supporters of both formations are right. Anyone got the goals from yesterday??? http://footballdiscussion.net/2012/09/leicester-v-hull-city-goals-leicester-hull-3-1-highlights-video-september-23-2012/
Father Ted Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Just like the formation that Sven played and got criticised every week for not having wingers!!!! I much prefer it to 442 when he did it and am glad that NP has caught on after 12 months too!!! Except Sven didn't play 4-2-3-1, he played a 4-4-2 diamond with the midfield 4 of any 4 from Abe, Fernandes, Wellens, Danns, King, Johnson. Completely different kettle of fish.
marbelladave Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I don't think Sven was criticised for playing that formation, he was criticised for playing the wrong players in the wrong place. Pearson seems to have it nailed on yesterday. Sven tried to play a diamond but it did not suit the players he had available...... Wellens at the base of the diamond was just laughable, we were crying out for Sven to play a King/Fernandes pairing in front of the back 4 but Ritchie wouldn't let him...... Sven did not have the attacking options that are now available to Pearson either.....
MattyFromLE Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Yes, Fernandes on the left, King in an attacking role and Wellens playing a defensive role. What was he thinking? To my recollection, he also played Danns on the wing?
MrFox781 Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 http://footballdiscu...tember-23-2012/ Cheers.
kingfox Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Think our best formation could possibly be. King - Drinkwater Marshall Vardy - Nugent - Knockaert Get Marshall behind the front three and not out wide, give him the free role instead of Knockaert, because Knockaert can be good from anywhere on the pitch, would prefer him out wide instead of Marshall.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I don't think there is one single formation that will work every week, it's just about being adaptable (a quality Pearson has wrongly been accused of lacking in the past). So many people on this forum say 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 (or variations of either) "don't work" but teams have been promoted from this division playing either or a mixture. Whatever the formation, the most important thing is that there's movement off the ball and defensive structure and we managed to get both yesterday. It would be risky to try to play too many players in the middle of the pitch because we actually looked comfortable keeping the ball for the full width yesterday and we generally look vulnerable when the full backs are caught upfield. Plus our centre backs don't suit being counter attacked at pace. Although people have criticised Vardy and Marshall for various reasons from an attacking perspective, they both tracked back brilliantly yesterday out wide (something we have really struggled with recently) so you don't want to lose that benefit. There will be games where Knockaert is marked tightly if he continues to play like he is, so varying it will be important and this looks the most versatile squad we've had for years to be honest, so it's just a case of making the most of that.
LJS Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 It was striking yesterday how well we closed Hull down. I noticed it very early on; we gave them no space on the ball. It pleased me a lot, as it's normally something which frustrates me about us. We have tended to give opponents lots of time on the ball in our defensive third, and it hurts us far too often. As others have said I think Marshall would be best employed in a more central role, but actually he serves a purpose at the minute in that he provides a wide option, even if it doesn't necessarily suit his individual strengths. I'd quite like to see Knockaert, Vardy and Marshall operating as a three man unit behind a lone striker, switching positions and pulling wide when things become congested in the middle. I think that would provide us with lots of attacking options. Defensively we seem okay for the most part. Our defensive record so far is a good one, but we have been prone to conceding with regularity when we consider how few attacking situations we have allowed our opponents. That was something which changed yesterday when the back four were given far mor protection by the midfield, with Drinkwater and James doing a very good job.
Uncle Phil Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I don't know if this has been posted before, but Steve Bruce apologised to "the people of Sunderland" for being sent to the stands yesterday . http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/23/leicester-city-hull-city-championship
Babylon Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Interesting point in the comments of that article "Our current points tally is the same as a record of W3 D3 L1 - for which everyone would be patting Nigel on the back"
Basingstoke Fox Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Seen the highlights. 1st and 3rd were great finishes by Nugent, 2nd was a brilliant assist by Knockeart, who should've had a hat-trick of assists were it not for Vardy's finishing on the day. Usually, that corner at the end would've resulted in a Hull goal, so to see us break so quickly in the way we did and practically rip Hull apart was a joy to watch.
Kitchandro Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I don't know if this has been posted before, but Steve Bruce apologised to "the people of Sunderland" for being sent to the stands yesterday . http://www.guardian....ty-championship Not a good day for Steve
The Year Of The Fox Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 He's from Sunderland surely, he's apologising for acting up so as not to embarrass his home town folk? Thats how I read it
5waller5 Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I don't know if this has been posted before, but Steve Bruce apologised to "the people of Sunderland" for being sent to the stands yesterday . http://www.guardian....ty-championship Ouch!!! Some days you wish you just hadn't got out of bed!!!
Captain... Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Yes, Fernandes on the left, King in an attacking role and Wellens playing a defensive role. What was he thinking? I think you are being sarcastic in that post, in that you think those players suit that formation. First Andy King is not an Attacking Midfielder, great player, but look at his game compared to Knocky's, Wellens is in no way shape or form a defensive midfielder, as some on here are at great pains to point out, we have no recognised DM, what we do have is 2 box-to-box midfielders that chip in with defensive and attacking duties in Drinky and King/James. Fernandes wasn't a winger or a wide player, he is now used as a defensive midfielder for his current club, and was always better in the middle. It really was a confused formation from Sven, trying to crowbar the best players in and failing to get them ticking.
marbelladave Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Not 'box to box' in the classic sense, mon Capitain, much more modern approach...... Holding, covering, passing, keeping possession, thats the modern way and they are beginning to look pretty good at it....... And some people are still calling for Danns or even Wellens, Christ.......
Dan Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Strovolos Tiger caught trying to log into Foxestalk;
Captain... Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Not 'box to box' in the classic sense, mon Capitain, much more modern approach...... Holding, covering, passing, keeping possession, thats the modern way and they are beginning to look pretty good at it....... And some people are still calling for Danns or even Wellens, Christ....... I guess box-to-box implies a more headless chicken run around approach, I just mean that they are not really defined as defensive, attacking, ball winning, ball playing, just very solid, reliable and capable of contributing offensively and defensively, with Knocky and Marshall we have the flair and creative spark that allows the rest of the midfield to just control and dictate the game.
marbelladave Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I guess box-to-box implies a more headless chicken run around approach, I just mean that they are not really defined as defensive, attacking, ball winning, ball playing, just very solid, reliable and capable of contributing offensively and defensively, with Knocky and Marshall we have the flair and creative spark that allows the rest of the midfield to just control and dictate the game.
Dan Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 Just like the formation that Sven played and got criticised every week for not having wingers!!!! I much prefer it to 442 when he did it and am glad that NP has caught on after 12 months too!!! It was absolutely nothing like what Sven played, he tried a 4-1-3-2/4-1-2-1-2 and used centre forwards (Vassell) out wide alternatively. This is a formation that adapts far better to the modern game than 4-4-2, 4-4-2 is becoming very dated in my eyes and even in this league (the kind of league that it's effective) it's falling out of favour. I'm a 4-2-3-1 fan and I'm delighted to see us playing it and playing it ridiculously well. This is our most exciting team in years.
Corky Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I think you are being sarcastic in that post, in that you think those players suit that formation. First Andy King is not an Attacking Midfielder, great player, but look at his game compared to Knocky's, Wellens is in no way shape or form a defensive midfielder, as some on here are at great pains to point out, we have no recognised DM, what we do have is 2 box-to-box midfielders that chip in with defensive and attacking duties in Drinky and King/James. Fernandes wasn't a winger or a wide player, he is now used as a defensive midfielder for his current club, and was always better in the middle. It really was a confused formation from Sven, trying to crowbar the best players in and failing to get them ticking. I was pointing out how ridiculous the selections were for each position, so I wasn't being sarcastic, they don't fit that formation at all, and especially when none of those are used to the roles they were given. Sven went majorly wrong in that respect, we had four central midfielders playing in a diamond and none in their favoured position.
Captain... Posted 24 September 2012 Posted 24 September 2012 I was pointing out how ridiculous the selections were for each position, so I wasn't being sarcastic, they don't fit that formation at all, and especially when none of those are used to the roles they were given. Sven went majorly wrong in that respect, we had four central midfielders playing in a diamond and none in their favoured position. Ah ok, I am seeing sarcasm when it isn't mean at the moment, I think my radar is off...
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