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Comres tomorrow has Tories on 41% and Labour on 27%.

This has to come to a head soon, the moderate Labour MP'S have to break off and give those 30% who occupy the middle ground a opposition to vote for.

No good for the country long term if the Tories can **** everything up and still be on these numbers.

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The moderate Labour are the same ones  that Cameron refers to 'As  the last  Labour Government' and the ones he says 'the mess we  are clearing up' They are the same Labour  Government that the Tory's supported when Blair went to war with Iraq and Corbyn opposed. In fact Corbyn has not supported a Labour Government for quite a few years voting against policies that they continued after the Thatcher years. So when Cameron refers to the 'last labour Government' he is actually knocking  the Tory's.

How ironic is that? I just smile at it as it seems he is scraping the barrel to blame others. :)

I doubt any Tory supporters on here will be able to take a steb back and see this as their mind is made up already and will not change.

 

But what do I know? I am just an attention seeking looney leftie troll. :)

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/13/peter-tatchell-snubbed-students-free-speech-veteran-gay-rights-activist

Easily my favourite story of the weekend, it's almost like the British left are having some weird competition over who accuse someone of the most ridiculous thing. To accuse Tatchell of transphobia and racism is beyond belief.

I could sort of understand the "no platform" attitude to Nick Griffin or Abu Hamza but Peter Tatchell and Germaine Green?

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/13/peter-tatchell-snubbed-students-free-speech-veteran-gay-rights-activist

Easily my favourite story of the weekend, it's almost like the British left are having some weird competition over who accuse someone of the most ridiculous thing. To accuse Tatchell of transphobia and racism is beyond belief.

I could sort of understand the "no platform" attitude to Nick Griffin or Abu Hamza but Peter Tatchell and Germaine Green?

 

Not sure about Tatchell but Greer's transphobia is pretty well known. She's a fierce advocate for for women born as women only, and considers trans women to be men trying to 'take over' feminism, and as such isn't a massive fan.

 

Obviously your view on that depends on your view of trans people in general, but it is reasonably well-documented.

 

As an aside, shit like this is the reason the left wing doesn't tend to get much stuff done - far too many disparate groups all with different ideas, different priorities and no coherent bloc. At least with the right they'll actually stop pissing each other off long enough to actually get shit done (some of the time, anyway).

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The competition for outrage is only going to get more hilarious as this goes on.

Btw is now believing that a woman born a woman is a woman now actually enough for you to be labelled as transphobic?

I hate this immediate diagnosis of people having a mental illness just because they don't conform with what certain sections of society demand they think.

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The competition for outrage is only going to get more hilarious as this goes on.

Btw is now believing that a woman born a woman is a woman now actually enough for you to be labelled as transphobic?

I hate this immediate diagnosis of people having a mental illness just because they don't conform with what certain sections of society demand they think.

 

I think it's the part where Greer believes that only a woman born a woman is a woman (and her very loud views on the matter) is what is annoying some people. I would say what she has said regarding trans people in the past would be enough to label her as transphobic, yes - she certainly seems to view them with a considerable amount of contempt simply because of who they are, which is pretty much the definition of the term.

 

I definitely don't think she has a mental illness, though. She's got a belief and she's sticking to it. And she should have a platform to advocate it, if she wishes.

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I hate this immediate diagnosis of people having a mental illness just because they don't conform with what certain sections of society demand they think.

 

How very "Lefty" of you. :P

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Just watching the news and some pilot had to abort a flight after a laser pen was shone at the plane (which was at 8000 feet) and damaged his eyes. Are they really that powerful? I do not remember any laser pens I had as a kid being able to assault a bloke 8000 feet up in the air

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35587959

 

One Corbynista gone.

 

 

Tom O'Carroll, ex-head of Paedophile Information Exchange which campaigned to lower the age of sexual consent to 10, has been suspended by Labour.

The Times reported that Mr O'Carroll joined the party in Barrow-in-Furness after Jeremy Corbyn became leader.

The constituency MP, John Woodcock, and deputy leader Tom Watson were among those to say he was not welcome.

A Labour spokesman said: "Tom O'Carroll has been suspended from the Labour Party."

Mr Woodcock had tweeted on Tuesday that he was "dismayed" Mr O'Carroll had joined the party, and said he had written to Labour's general secretary, Iian McNicol to ask for him to be banned for life.

Meanwhile, Mr Watson, Labour's deputy leader, said in a tweet: "Just picking up on the Tom O'Carroll story. Have to verify the facts but he is not welcome in the Labour Party and nor are his views."

Formed in 1974, the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) campaigned for "children's sexuality". It wanted the government to scrap or lower the age of consent.

In 1981, Mr O'Carroll, then PIE's chairman, was sentenced to two years in jail for "conspiracy to corrupt public morals". PIE was disbanded in 1984.

O'Carroll was sentenced to two and a half years in prison in 2006 for distributing child pornography images.

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Thought this was absolutely fascinating insight into a web phenomenon I couldn't have foreseen when I took my first tentative steps into the world wide web all those years ago (the first website I ever visited was Anna Friel's, but that's not relevant to this):

 

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/18/cancer-cons-phoney-accidents-fake-deaths-internet-hoax-buster-taryn-wright

it is, as they say, a funny old world

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