Rincewind Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Gunman been named 24 year old with links to school. Thought it strange when they said 20 yr old before. Just saying he killed his father then drove to the school where his mother worked and shot her.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 The shooter's mum (now deceased btw) was a teacher at the school it seems and many of the victims were her students.
Harry - LCFC Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 There must be 100million guns in America. There is no way you can take all those guns out of circulation, whether you outlaw them or not. Better to get as many as you can out than leave a bucket load of potential murderers with their weapons.
I am Rod Hull Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 There must be 100million guns in America. There is no way you can take all those guns out of circulation, whether you outlaw them or not. Stop selling ammo?
Webbo Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Better to get as many as you can out than leave a bucket load of potential murderers with their weapons. But the murderers are the ones who'll hide their weapons and not hand them over. Stop selling ammo? There's plenty of that in circulation too.
Harry - LCFC Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 But the murderers are the ones who'll hide their weapons and not hand them over. I think that's largely true but not entirely. The man who acted in the way he did tonight may have been quite different two years ago. Did he have a desire to murder others a in 2010? Perhaps not. A few years ago he might have been one of those good citizens who would've handed his weapon over. I know this is perhaps a grim outlook to have but I find it hard to wholeheartedly trust a person who owns a firearm, can you genuinely say that they will avoid using it wrongly for the rest of their life? It only takes a few weeks of being depressed, or too much drink and you have a very different person to the one you knew a month ago.
Guesty Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 I imagine sooner or later Americans will wake up and the majority will want guns banned or at least some form of gun control - at the very least assault rifles banned. Maybe this will be the time, Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election. 6 of the 12 deadliest shootings in American history have happened in the last 6 years (that might not be exact but its roughly that figure) so it's getting worse. After Dunblane all handguns were banned in this country and not one school shooting since. I think apart from that Derreck Bird bloke there hasn't been another mass-shooting since. This could be a watershed event, or they could just do praying and crying, then just wait till next time and repeat the cycle.
Rincewind Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 They are saying it was a town with few guns. One too many it seems. His younger brother is being held now
purpleronnie Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 I really like not paying taxes, so is that ok? what? There must be 100million guns in America. There is no way you can take all those guns out of circulation, whether you outlaw them or not. I believe there is over 300 million.
I am Rod Hull Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 I grew up with guns, my dad had quite a few including a .22 rifle (for rabbits and pheasants - Sunday morning poaching :xmaswink: ) a Browning semi-auto pistol and a 357 derringer amongst others. The power you posses when holding one is something to behold and if you have a bad day or someone pisses you off there`s nothing anyone can do to stop you going all out for revenge. Holding a gun makes you king of the world.
purpleronnie Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Tell them that if guns were banned then these deaths would be avoided. If they aren't willing to remove these shootings from modern day America because they care too much about their precious firearms then I worry for those people. Seriously, if owning a gun is worth more to a person than stopping someone dying then I'd rather they excluded themselves from society. Again they are willing to accept that this can happen because there are crazy people about, but again they feel that these deranged criminals shouldnt stop lawful people owning a gun. There are plenty of nations with the same lax laws but without the mass shootings, there are underlying issues that no-one talks about or does anything about people immediately think its simply because of the gun laws. I'm not a fan of the lax laws in any country but to simply state its because of the gun laws that these shootings happen isn't true.
Guest Bilo Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Again they are willing to accept that this can happen because there are crazy people about, but again they feel that these deranged criminals shouldnt stop lawful people owning a gun. There are plenty of nations with the same lax laws but without the mass shootings, there are underlying issues that no-one talks about or does anything about people immediately think its simply because of the gun laws. I'm not a fan of the lax laws in any country but to simply state its because of the gun laws that these shootings happen isn't true. Canada's gun laws are very similar but there are far more cultural gaps between the US and Canada than people realise. America's culture of fear, racism, individualism and social inequality coupled with non-existent gun control make for a toxic cocktail.
purpleronnie Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Canada's gun laws are very similar but there are far more cultural gaps between the US and Canada than people realise. America's culture of fear, racism, individualism and social inequality coupled with non-existent gun control make for a toxic cocktail. That's true and the inability to see danger signs and mental illness in the shooters is staggeringly poor in America.
Captain... Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 what? Just because people like having guns, as you put it, doesn't mean that they shouldn't look to increase ito control. Laws shouldn't be made based on what people like, but for the good of the country. Unfortunately democracy has just become a popularity contest so I can't see anything happening, but then again as someone said Obama can't be re-elected so now may be a good time to tackle it.
Guest Bilo Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 That's true and the inability to see danger signs and mental illness in the shooters is staggeringly poor in America. That's the lack of access to mental health care for you. These things don't happen in Canada nearly as often for this and many other reasons/ America's culture is completely unsuited to such lax gun control on every single level.
StanSP Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Gunman's brother found dead in New Jersey. Girlfriend and one other friend is 'missing'.
Harry - LCFC Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Again they are willing to accept that this can happen because there are crazy people about, but again they feel that these deranged criminals shouldnt stop lawful people owning a gun. There are plenty of nations with the same lax laws but without the mass shootings, there are underlying issues that no-one talks about or does anything about people immediately think its simply because of the gun laws. I'm not a fan of the lax laws in any country but to simply state its because of the gun laws that these shootings happen isn't true. I accept that it's ultimately the person who fires their weapon who bares the responsibility but if there's a problem with something you fix it. Yes, they have social problems that lead to these shootings but they're rather difficult to deal with quickly. Legislation is fast and would hopefully deal with most of the problem swiftly. Perhaps if society changes in the US then you could relax the law although I personally wouldn't favour this and I'm very sceptical that America can change enough to be given their guns back.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 14 December 2012 Author Posted 14 December 2012 The mothers of america have got get their arses in gear and force these fooking idiots who supposedly run things over there to stop the carnage. They could ,and can do it, they have far more common sense than the "freedom at all costs" clowns.. mass national demos, general strikes etc...what more motivation do they need than to see some of the surviving kids being interviewed...?
Danno Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Mental twats, put them all in the loony bin And how does the right to protection become superior to the right to live? Yank muppets
Jon the Hat Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Freedom? How about the freedom to send your kids to school and have them come home safe. The gun lobby have blood on their hands again. Real men don't let kids die so they can feel tough.
Danno Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Has the guy who did it been arrested/killed himself?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 Has the guy who did it been arrested/killed himself? Apparently - his brother arrested too now.
Guest ttfn Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 I can't believe anybody thinks that the sort of gun ownership laws in place in America are remotely justifiable.
Zingari Posted 14 December 2012 Posted 14 December 2012 I can't believe anybody thinks that the sort of gun ownership laws in place in America are remotely justifiable. It's written into the constitution so it's gonna take some shifting . Can't see it changing much in the near future and in many ways it would be closing the stable door after the horse has bolted .
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