Land of the free.

[Zingari]

To be honest it isn't any more remarkable than if they both were doctors say. It might tell us something about the child rearing challenges of pursuing a high level career though.

I'm not really sure how many doctors there are in the US or how many people are being questioned in the LIBOR case , but i'm pretty sure that there is a massive difference in the numbers in each group .

So I'd still maintain that if it's true , it's one enormous "coincidence" and needs investigation.

I am a very suspicious fooker though :xmassmile:

[sphericalfox]

I'm not really sure how many doctors there are in the US or how many people are being questioned in the LIBOR case , but i'm pretty sure that there is a massive difference in the numbers in each group .

So I'd still maintain that if it's true , it's one enormous "coincidence" and needs investigation.

I am a very suspicious fooker though :xmassmile:

I knew Zings you'd run with this.

[Zingari]

I knew Zings you'd run with this.

:xmasbiggrin: predictable old me

[Jordan]

I have to say, I can almost see an argument for everyone owning a handgun of some sort, although I believe they should have to use non-lethal ammunition.

What I cannot see is why any reasonably well adjusted adult, living in a supposedly civilised nation where law and order are held up as beacons of freedom and capitalism, should feel the need to own an assault rife.

This offers no comfort to those with radical views that arm themselves because they believe they have a duty of insurrection when they believe government has become too radical, or if government goes after them, or in case government and/or society collapse and they are left to fend for themselves in a Mad Max-style future. Paranoia and strange interpretations of history contribute to these beliefs, and the radicalization of the American right has given these beliefs more prominence. In a sad irony, one of the main reasons why Adam Lanza's mother reportedly kept an AR-15 and other firearms was to protect herself in case one of those doomsday scenarios occurred.

It is worth noting that, legally and technically speaking, the AR-15 is not considered an "assault rifle" in the United States. Remember, we are talking about a semi-automatic rifle that is based on the M-16, is highly customizable, fires small rounds designed to kill, and can use 30-round magazines. The AR-15 per se was not banned under the now-expired 1994 legislation that made many assault rifles and gun customizations illegal, although there were restrictions placed on some of its features. I would imagine (and would hope) that the AR-15 and its kin would be banned under new assault weapons law that will be proposed in January.

not sure if this is reliable source but it's being discussed here

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/the-father-of-connecticut-school-shooter-adam-lanza-peter-lanza?xg_source=activity

this is some sort of amazing "coincidence" if it's true

A website purporting to speak for the Tea Party that has a prominent link to one of its pages in which they declare Barack Obama isn't a U.S. citizen ... Yeah, seems reliable to me.

[flowwolf]

You did not expect me to disagree did you ? but even in our hayday we never had the right to bare arms, we had to kep them covered.

[flowwolf]

Is that true?

Well when I say home it was actually a beach hut.

[flowwolf]

An Englishman implying the Welsh are globally unpopular! I've heard it all now!

I'm off to go find an Aussie, a Frenchman, a Scot and some Paddies to have a giggle with.

That would be a rather racist thing to do, you should be bloody well ashamed of yourself.

[Smudge]

Anyone believing that a line on a map separates morality of those living within those boundaries from those outside it is abjectly stupid.

[Captain...]

Anyone believing that a line on a map separates morality of those living within those boundaries from those outside it is abjectly stupid.

But America, more so than most countries, seem to use outdated texts to be their morality, rather than any form of free thinking and moralising.

The bible says being gay is bad, therefore being gay is bad, the bill rights says we can bear arms, therefore we can bear arms. There is no actual thought into whether or not it is the right thing to do, and a complete inability to change or appreciate that what was true a few hundred/thousand years ago may not be true now.

I know this is a crass generalisation and it is not true for all, but there are a worrying amount of people in the US who seem incapable of thinking for themselves.

[flowwolf]

But America, more so than most countries, seem to use outdated texts to be their morality, rather than any form of free thinking and moralising.

The bible says being gay is bad, therefore being gay is bad, the bill rights says we can bear arms, therefore we can bear arms. There is no actual thought into whether or not it is the right thing to do, and a complete inability to change or appreciate that what was true a few hundred/thousand years ago may not be true now.

I know this is a crass generalisation and it is not true for all, but there are a worrying amount of people in the US who seem incapable of thinking for themselves.

They don't need to think for themselves because God blessed America.

[Parafox]

not sure if this is reliable source but it's being discussed here

http://teapartyorg.n...source=activity

this is some sort of amazing "coincidence" if it's true

Tenuous to say the least

[sphericalfox]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249014/Adam-Lanzas-father-Peter-struggling-make-sense-shy-20-year-old-turned-child-killer.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

[Smudge]

But America, more so than most countries, seem to use outdated texts to be their morality, rather than any form of free thinking and moralising.

The bible says being gay is bad, therefore being gay is bad, the bill rights says we can bear arms, therefore we can bear arms. There is no actual thought into whether or not it is the right thing to do, and a complete inability to change or appreciate that what was true a few hundred/thousand years ago may not be true now.

I know this is a crass generalisation and it is not true for all, but there are a worrying amount of people in the US who seem incapable of thinking for themselves.

I wasn't actually just referring to America. The same could be said of anyone who moralizes or stereotypes others because of where they live.

My grandchildren are American, as were those poor souls who were slaughtered on Friday.

By all means criticize the gun laws or the outdated right to bear arms and I'll be right with you, as would the majority of Americans that I know.

The hate or derision of Americans by a few on here is explicit and something not tolerated in other regards and I find it offensive. This is not aimed at you Shrap.

[The People's Hero]

Smudge, I don't think anyone is hateful towards Americans per se.

I think a lot struggle to stomach the fact that the right to bear a very very dangerous weapon has for a long time been seen as more important than innocent lives.

[sphericalfox]

I wasn't actually just referring to America. The same could be said of anyone who moralizes or stereotypes others because of where they live.

My grandchildren are American, as were those poor souls who were slaughtered on Friday.

By all means criticize the gun laws or the outdated right to bear arms and I'll be right with you, as would the majority of Americans that I know.

The hate or derision of Americans by a few on here is explicit and something not tolerated in other regards and I find it offensive. This is not aimed at you Shrap.

Name names

[Smudge]

Smudge, I don't think anyone is hateful towards Americans per se.

I think a lot struggle to stomach the fact that the right to bear a very very dangerous weapon has for a long time been seen as more important than innocent lives.

In reality I think you're right Jimbo but you wouldn't think so at times.

Obama has asked Biden for a plan by the end of January, lets hope something comes of it.

Enjoy your Christmas with wee one. :xmassmile:

[Trav Le Bleu]

[The People's Hero]

In reality I think you're right Jimbo but you wouldn't think so at times.

Obama has asked Biden for a plan by the end of January, lets hope something comes of it.

Enjoy your Christmas with wee one. :xmassmile:

Merry Christmas to you too.

And here's hoping something can be sorted out re: the gun issue.

[Webbo]

But America, more so than most countries, seem to use outdated texts to be their morality, rather than any form of free thinking and moralising.

More than Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan?

[Guest ttfn]

The NRA leader is a moron.

I give up with America.

[Carl the Llama]

The NRA leader is a moron.

I give up with America.

Yep he represents everything that all Americans stand for.

[purpleronnie]

http://mobile.mlive.com/advannarbor/pm_115751/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=bOisEVCF

[Jordan]

http://mobile.mlive.com/advannarbor/pm_115751/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=bOisEVCF

Gov. Rick Snyder, a Republican, vetoed that bill.

The NRA plan has been swiftly and soundly ridiculed, although there are a substantial amount of RKBA fanatics that support arming more citizens in order to solve whatever problem arises. Since the NRA is effectively a front group for firearms manufacturers, they are always going to figure out ways that firearms manufacturers can sell more guns.

If the NRA promised constructive participation in the discussion on reducing gun violence, and this is the response they give, I hope their extremist talk means they have effectively removed themselves from the discussion. We can do better without them at the table.

[Rincewind]

On facebook a picture poster was posted on my timeline. On it was a message that said that there are many ex-army men willing to patrol elementry schools to protect the children. There have been replies and I am sure they were serious, that said what a great idea. So instead of stopping nutters getting hold of automatic weapons they want to raise children in an enviroment where soldiers are their constant companion and if any nutter tries it again, which they will because of the ease of obtaining guns there will be a full trigger happy gun battle. There must be a simpleler answer. I wonder what it is?

[BunkMoreland]

On facebook a picture poster was posted on my timeline. On it was a message that said that there are many ex-army men willing to patrol elementry schools to protect the children. There have been replies and I am sure they were serious, that said what a great idea. So instead of stopping nutters getting hold of automatic weapons they want to raise children in an enviroment where soldiers are their constant companion and if any nutter tries it again, which they will because of the ease of obtaining guns there will be a full trigger happy gun battle. There must be a simpleler answer. I wonder what it is?

Genocide?