indierich06 Posted 24 December 2012 Posted 24 December 2012 That's aimed at me. So to defend myself I they are separate not connected opinions. Would I rather see Beckford in the side instead of Vardy? Too right. Too late for that now though so we have to forget Beckford and look for a new striker in the January market. It wont be cheap. Don't flatter yourself. It's aimed at anyone who slags off one of our players and then states that a player who does not want to play for this club and has performed worse this season should be in our side instead. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Mack Posted 24 December 2012 Author Posted 24 December 2012 Don't flatter yourself. It's aimed at anyone who slags off one of our players and then states that a player who does not want to play for this club and has performed worse this season should be in our side instead. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Where did this does not want to play for the club thing come from? Found himself a move on less money because he wanted to play seems closer to the truth. Anyway he is history for us now, so there no point arguing over it.
Dr The Singh Posted 24 December 2012 Posted 24 December 2012 The same people who say Vardy is out of his depth seem to be the same people who say that we should be bringing Jermaine Beckford back. Funny, that. Not me!! :xmaswink:
FremantleFox Posted 24 December 2012 Posted 24 December 2012 When we signed him for £1m I have to say I was very surprised and underwhelmed. This is now proving to be a poor piece of business for us and poor judgement on Pearsons behalf (see Futacs, James, Whitbread, Lingard et al). He is not good enough for this division and I don't really care about is 'work rate' - this is too flimsy an argument to justify why he will contribute significantly to our promotion chances. Yakubu had a poor work rate - but his contribution was significant. . . two ends of the spectrum. I don't honestly think we are as good as some people make out. Like everyone else, I am mad keen to see us progress successfully but since the early summer, our transfer activity has left me baffled and disappointed (see the 'bring back Beckford & Danns post'). Hopefully, Pearson will deflate his ego and see sense and get back to focussing on improving us with more suitable additions - just like (in fairness to him) he did last season (respect to Steve Walsh snr).
Captain... Posted 24 December 2012 Posted 24 December 2012 Not read the whole thread, but after reading the original post are we really comparing Vardy to Bellamy? Bellamy will be the difference for Cardiff many times this season, he is too good for this league, and his reputation gives him a psychological edge too.
Leicfox Posted 24 December 2012 Posted 24 December 2012 Vardy is not the problem, the Midfield and the tactics are. If Vardy was to play the line with our Midfield looking to slot passes through for him to run onto I'm sure he'd of scored more than he has now. It never happens though which is a shame as the lad can finish.
Happy Fox Posted 24 December 2012 Posted 24 December 2012 Vardy is not the problem, the Midfield and the tactics are. If Vardy was to play the line with our Midfield looking to slot passes through for him to run onto I'm sure he'd of scored more than he has now. It never happens though which is a shame as the lad can finish. Isn't he better off played as a Left forward in a 4-3-3?
Leicfox Posted 24 December 2012 Posted 24 December 2012 Isn't he better off played as a Left forward in a 4-3-3? Yeah that would work too as it did at Fleetwood.
brockmyster Posted 24 December 2012 Posted 24 December 2012 Hes a decent player at times, lacking a first touch at times but he does add a good work ethic and team play, and tbf he has a decent heading ability
flowwolf Posted 25 December 2012 Posted 25 December 2012 Vardy is not the problem, the Midfield and the tactics are. If Vardy was to play the line with our Midfield looking to slot passes through for him to run onto I'm sure he'd of scored more than he has now. It never happens though which is a shame as the lad can finish. With you right up until the end. :D
Mack Posted 25 December 2012 Author Posted 25 December 2012 Not read the whole thread, but after reading the original post are we really comparing Vardy to Bellamy? Bellamy will be the difference for Cardiff many times this season, he is too good for this league, and his reputation gives him a psychological edge too. Rather than comparing the players, I was comparing us to the team at the top, where we would like to be. They have a player capable of keeping them there and firing them up, we dont at the moment. That was my point
MrSpaM Posted 25 December 2012 Posted 25 December 2012 It's not his fault a Championship side offered all that money for him, and to be fair we weren't the only Championship club looking at the lad. Sadly for me the lad looks a couple of leagues too high, and in games like yesterday when Cardiff had the 'X' factor of Bellamy to secure the points despite all the chances we had (18 to Cardiff's 4) we just didn't have that ruthless goalscorer with the ability to make our chances count. For me Vardy runs about a lot but lacks the strength, confidence and ability to lead the line for a top half Championship side. I sincerely hope the rumors are true and we get a new attacking focal point in January, and likewise loan this lad out lower down the league to find his feet. News to me that Vardy is supposed to be our 'x factor' Id have said that was more Nuges role tbh
Father Ted Posted 25 December 2012 Posted 25 December 2012 With a bit more luck Vardy could be on 12-15 goals this season. I like him a lot, just our hoofball with Whitbread in the side doesnt suit him. Im backing him to bag 10 goals after Christmas!
Manwell Pablo Posted 25 December 2012 Posted 25 December 2012 He'd of been better off going to League One to begin with. Jumping from from conference to Championships is a big jump, espcecially if your going to a club with ambitions of doing something. He's here now though, I do fully believe his level will be League One or above given time to adapt, we need another striker in just to get a bit of competition so I'd keep him here see if he can adapt his game, the major concern for me with him is he does seem to lack technnical ability on the ball, quite badly, which no amount of adapting or training is going to change. Whether he can adopt an approach that works for him in this league remains to be seen imo. His finishing for us hasn't been the best but you don't score 40 goals at any prof level without the ability to find the net, I think it's either the pressure gets to him at times or he isn't used to having to take one of 3-4 chances in a game, being at a very good Fleetwood side last year Imagine he probably got more sights of goal and being at that level his weakness's perhaps didn't hamper him as much. One thing i have seen from him is he seems to an extremly good header of the ball at times, his effort on Satuday that hit the bar was a fantastic bit of aerial play and his goal that was falsely ruled out at Blackburn again was a chance I doubt any other forward player in our squad would of been capable of taking. Whipped crosses isn't really something we really seem to do alot of though unfortuantley, Dyer seems to get his head down and looks for a ball along the floor from the byline, Konchesky rarely gets forward and when he does he seems to hit the kind of floating balls that need knocking down rather than heading straight in, Da Laet like dyer seems to be very byline orientated and I don't even think Anthony Knockeart knows where he is going himself half the time so god knows how anyone else is suppose to read it. It's a tough call to say whether he is good enough at the moment with him being new to the league, our approch being different to the Fleetwood team he made his name at, but one thing is for sure if we go up he needs to go he is nowhere near Premier League quality, much like Waghorn.
tylesta Posted 25 December 2012 Posted 25 December 2012 Bizarre point you're making.If a striker is through on goal, of course he will use all the time available to him to make sure he has the best chance of scoring. Besides, he was 20 yards out when he played Waghorn in against Derby with two defenders near him. Very strange point if you ask me. He must be close to our top assist maker and has scored 5 in half a season, not forgetting he's been ill and injured for a handful of games. Not a bad return for me and certainly not out of his depth. 4 goals
flowwolf Posted 25 December 2012 Posted 25 December 2012 With a bit more luck Vardy could be on 12-15 goals this season. I like him a lot, just our hoofball with Whitbread in the side doesnt suit him. Im backing him to bag 10 goals after Christmas! Now whitbread is certainly out of his depth. Quite why Pearson bought this lumbering hoofball merchant is beyond me. He was appaling on Saturday and just seems to get worse, still no doubt Pearson's stubborness will help him keep his place.
Phil Bertstreet Posted 25 December 2012 Posted 25 December 2012 Now whitbread is certainly out of his depth. Quite why Pearson bought this lumbering hoofball merchant is beyond me. He was appaling on Saturday and just seems to get worse, still no doubt Pearson's stubborness will help him keep his place. Not certainly out of his depth at all. We are obviously watching different games. Whitbread has been one of best players over the last 7 games, er IMO of course. Lost a few headers on Saturday but wins far more than he loses. Good signing.
tylesta Posted 26 December 2012 Posted 26 December 2012 4 goals 5goals 5assists cup goals count this season then
ithuriel Posted 26 December 2012 Posted 26 December 2012 Personaly i do not believe at present Vardy is good enough to be a first team player for us, he was perhaps worth a gamble and may still come good but i'd be happier if we bought a new first team striker.
Charl91 Posted 26 December 2012 Posted 26 December 2012 cup goals count this season then They only don't count if you dislike the player.
flowwolf Posted 27 December 2012 Posted 27 December 2012 Not certainly out of his depth at all. We are obviously watching different games. Whitbread has been one of best players over the last 7 games, er IMO of course. Lost a few headers on Saturday but wins far more than he loses. Good signing. Depends on what you expect of a player. If winning headers is all you expect of Whitbread then you are right, but if like me you expect him to be able to bring the ball down not panic under pressure and pass the ball then he is out of his depth. Anyone with a bit of pace ghosts past him as if he was not there. Bad signing.
MGLCFC Posted 27 December 2012 Posted 27 December 2012 Don't see that Whitbread is much different to Elliot or Taggart. They had their limitations but were good enough to play in the Prem. If you accept Whitbread can't do all the flash stuff Bamba could do, but can actually defend, then he's more than adequate for the Championship.
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