Jamie Vardy - Out of his depth.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

I don't class Vardy as a failure at all. It was always going to be a bit of a gamble promoting a player up a couple of divisions and I'm surprised he's played as many games for us as he has thus far. I thought he'd bit a bit part player to start with so didn't expect him to start games early on.

A striker is judged on goals but is also judged on their all-round team play. Beckford can finish - although I don't think he's anywhere near as good as some on here say - but he's not a great team player. Vardy on the other hand has been a bundle of energy, chased lost causes etc and while his goal return isn't amazing, he's played his part in the team doing pretty well. (I would've taken a top six finish at the start of the season.) Beckford doesn't fit in to the Pearson team ethic.

I don't think we'll sell him at the moment and even if we do in the summer (should we get promoted) we'll probably claw back most of the money we paid anyway.

[Manwell Pablo]

But it isn't, look at Nuge, free, that is not an indication of his value, just his contract, it is the same with anyone coming towards the end of the contract, they are cheaper than if they had just signed a 4 year contract.

We got Wood for less than we would have done had West Brom actually wanted to keep him, regardless of his ability he was surplus to requirement and West Brom were happy to accept an early bid to get the money in the bank and spend it rather than try and keep their player, or push the price up y playing hard ball throughout the window.

These days there are many factors affecting transfer fees, if Walcott doesn't sign a new contract he will leave for around 7-8 million, if he does sign a new contract it will need a bid of around 30 million to get him from Arsenal.

Like I said I don't judge him on his price tag, maybe I will judge whoever negotiates the price tag on it, as it is looking too high.

I still maintain as a back up striker he is more than capable of doing a job for us this season.

Free transfers aren't the same thing are they

Granted circumstances can effect a fee, although by nowhere near what you are suggesting, at the end of the day Van Persie still went silly money and he was off immenantly. But the overall value, should be what the player is worth in talent, which is why above mentioned Dutchman can still fetch 25 odd million despite being out of contract soon.

He wasn't bought here to be back up, he's not at the right age to be back up, and I very much doubt he wants to be back up, Futacs is much more suited to this role. It was a gamble bringing him here, for that money, and now cannot see it paying off now Wood is here. As I can't see him getting on the pitch for the rest of the season, which I will agree with you suits me fine. I just think if we are going to buy someone to not play there are cheaper options!

[Babylon]

It is clear Becks Can finish, this is evident at Leeds and Scunny.

Have you seen the Vardy youtube clip from the lower divisions.

Vardy this season has very much struggled to hit the target on many, many occasions.

And so did Beckford last year, which is why it took him until March to get what Vardy has now.

Even if Beckford scored a couple more than Vardy his all round contribution is utterly woeful most of the time, without even taking into consideration his cost.

They have both been average for us, but one of them is better value and can actually be arsed.

[Mack]

I see the thread has descended into a pro and anti Beckford argument.

The same argument that has littered so many other threads.

For me you cant compare Beckford to Vardy, and one has plied his trade in the Football League, whilst the other has made his name in the non league.

And as Vardy has discovered this season there is a huge gulf in standard.

In addition quite how anyone thinks we would pay all that money for a striker for him not to play is just absurd we are not Chelsea or Man Utd, if we pay that sort of money for a player they must have thought he would make an impact.

I still hope we loan this lad out lower down the leagues to try and re boot his career.

[Manwell Pablo]

Yes......I do wonder why people still discuss Jermaine Beckford. It's quite clear he's done here and we're willing to save any money we can on him.

[Captain...]

Free transfers aren't the same thing are they

Granted circumstances can effect a fee, although by nowhere near what you are suggesting, at the end of the day Van Persie still went silly money and he was off immenantly. But the overall value, should be what the player is worth in talent, which is why above mentioned Dutchman can still fetch 25 odd million despite being out of contract soon.

He wasn't bought here to be back up, he's not at the right age to be back up, and I very much doubt he wants to be back up, Futacs is much more suited to this role. It was a gamble bringing him here, for that money, and now cannot see it paying off now Wood is here. As I can't see him getting on the pitch for the rest of the season, which I will agree with you suits me fine. I just think if we are going to buy someone to not play there are cheaper options!

I agree he wasn't brought here to play back up, he was given the number 9 shirt and started off up front paired with Beckford, he also wasn't brought here to be back-up, neither do I imagine were Waghorn or SSL, or Danns, but things change, and one of the reasons I am happy that we have Vardy as back-up is that he will continue to fight for his place, but not disrupt things.

Looking at the squad as a whole, it is not bad looking, some people we over paid for, Waggy, Vardy, others were an absolute bargain, Nugent and I think Drinkwater and James will prove to be too.

But as a squad and what we paid for it, it is pretty good, still some room for improvement, but having attacking options like Vardy, Waghorn and Futacs are great, it gives us cover for injuries and the ability to change our style of play, we are not going to have 5 strikers on our books the quality of Nugent.

Vardy has played his part in a successful first half to the season, and I think he will still have a part to play in the second half, but lets wait until he is back to fitness before casting any more aspersions, and enjoy the Wood Nugent partnership in the meantime.

[shiv]

I agree he wasn't brought here to play back up, he was given the number 9 shirt and started off up front paired with Beckford, he also wasn't brought here to be back-up, neither do I imagine were Waghorn or SSL, or Danns, but things change, and one of the reasons I am happy that we have Vardy as back-up is that he will continue to fight for his place, but not disrupt things.

Looking at the squad as a whole, it is not bad looking, some people we over paid for, Waggy, Vardy, others were an absolute bargain, Nugent and I think Drinkwater and James will prove to be too.

But as a squad and what we paid for it, it is pretty good, still some room for improvement, but having attacking options like Vardy, Waghorn and Futacs are great, it gives us cover for injuries and the ability to change our style of play, we are not going to have 5 strikers on our books the quality of Nugent.

Vardy has played his part in a successful first half to the season, and I think he will still have a part to play in the second half, but lets wait until he is back to fitness before casting any more aspersions, and enjoy the Wood Nugent partnership in the meantime.

Edit: ignore my post... read yours wrong

Good post, totally agree.

[Manwell Pablo]

I agree he wasn't brought here to play back up, he was given the number 9 shirt and started off up front paired with Beckford, he also wasn't brought here to be back-up, neither do I imagine were Waghorn or SSL, or Danns, but things change, and one of the reasons I am happy that we have Vardy as back-up is that he will continue to fight for his place, but not disrupt things.

Looking at the squad as a whole, it is not bad looking, some people we over paid for, Waggy, Vardy, others were an absolute bargain, Nugent and I think Drinkwater and James will prove to be too.

But as a squad and what we paid for it, it is pretty good, still some room for improvement, but having attacking options like Vardy, Waghorn and Futacs are great, it gives us cover for injuries and the ability to change our style of play, we are not going to have 5 strikers on our books the quality of Nugent.

Vardy has played his part in a successful first half to the season, and I think he will still have a part to play in the second half, but lets wait until he is back to fitness before casting any more aspersions, and enjoy the Wood Nugent partnership in the meantime.

Your going off on tanjents now Cap. Most of this is pretty irrelavant to the discussion

I personally don't disagree he probably is good enough to retain a squad place, however the point is, knowing what I know about him now I wouldn't go out and sign him for a 500,000 never mind a million, and if people want to say he is out of his depth and they want rid, they have every right to do so, he's not done enough.

[dpjfox]

id give Vardy a chance wide left, he works hard enough to help Konch and will when requied help Nuge and Wood, im sure opponents dont like paying against players with such energy (he has played wide left previously in his Fleetwood days)

[Captain...]

id give Vardy a chance wide left, he works hard enough to help Konch and will when requied help Nuge and Wood, im sure opponents dont like paying against players with such energy (he has played wide left previously in his Fleetwood days)

If it wasn't for the excess of players we have for that position, Dyer, Knockaert, Waghorn, Schlupp, I would play all of them ahead of Vardy wide left.

Maybe if he had been fit against Burton, but he wasn't and still isn't, and I think I will leave this discussion until he is fit.

@Manwell, I think everything I put is relevant, particularly about him accepting a back-up role and not rocking the boat, but I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[indierich06]

Your going off on tanjents now Cap. Most of this is pretty irrelavant to the discussion

I personally don't disagree he probably is good enough to retain a squad place, however the point is, knowing what I know about him now I wouldn't go out and sign him for a 500,000 never mind a million, and if people want to say he is out of his depth and they want rid, they have every right to do so, he's not done enough.

Good point Captain Hindsight.

At the end of the day, it was a gamble - albeit a slightly expensive one - some would say it's paid off, some would say not. He could've been the next Chris Smalling, Charlie Austin or Steve Morison. So he's not lived up to everyone's high expectations, but he's good enough for a place in the squad and he's still young enough (i.e. under 30) to have a decent resale value at some point too. If we get promoted to the PL he will have played his part in that and the million pound gamble will have been worth it.

[Babylon]

and if people want to say he is out of his depth and they want rid, they have every right to do so, he's not done enough.

The problem is, the same people are usually the ones who think the sun shines out of Beckfords arse.

[Mack]

The problem is, the same people are usually the ones who think the sun shines out of Beckfords arse.

I dont see the connection betweek Beckford and Vardy.

Beckford is out of the team because Pearson sees him as bad news. Vardy is not in the team because he has looked a bit short of the standard required.

[Babylon]

I dont see the connection betweek Beckford and Vardy.

The connection is the people defending one average player and rubbishing another, one that so far has a better record in a Leicester shirt. Look back three pages.

Why is Beckford just out of the team because oh him being bad news. What about his shit performances and poor league return?

[Mack]

The connection is the people defending one average player and rubbishing another, one that so far has a better record in a Leicester shirt. Look back three pages.

Why is Beckford just out of the team because oh him being bad news. What about his shit performances and poor league return?

Well, Football is a game of opinions and everyone is entitled to their own.

Personally I take every player on their own merits, and dont make comparisons of one over the other.

So if you are aiming that at me it's well off the mark.

And anyway, Beckford is history at our club so any argument about him is pretty much a waste of key strokes.

[Babylon]

Well, Football is a game of opinions and everyone is entitled to their own.

Never said they weren't, no matter how devoid of facts their opinion is.

Personally I take every player on their own merits, and dont make comparisons of one over the other.

If player a) is signed to replace player b) then comparisons are going to happen. Especially when people still yearn for player b) and his equally average record.

So if you are aiming that at me it's well off the mark.

It's aimed at anyone who defends Beckfords time here and slates Vardy.

And anyway, Beckford is history at our club so any argument about him is pretty much a waste of key strokes.

Until he is sold he's not history, and even then we'll be reminded of him for two years every time he scores like we did with Fryatt.

[Manwell Pablo]

The problem is, the same people are usually the ones who think the sun shines out of Beckfords arse.

Beckfords a pointless discussion full stop.

[Happy Fox]

I actually agree with the consensus that FA Cup goals don't matter Beckford didn't score enough league goals 9 is a poor return for the amount of money we spent on him. With Vardy his work ethic is a far sight better than Beckford, and wants to play for the club not the money!

Look at Danny Hylton of Aldershot has scored 7 FA Cup goals this season and one in the League!

[lcfcsnow]

The problem is, the same people are usually the ones who think the sun shines out of Beckfords arse.

The problem is, you just can't let it go and let people have their opinions. Beckford and Vardy are clearly not good enough, both players are lacking so much in their game, but mostly their ball control which is nothing short of abysmal. Nugent and Wood are good enough - the difference in quality in both strikers we have up front now compared to what we started the season with is there for all to see. Vardy is a lower league striker and needs to get out on loan asap.

Pearson has an impressive transfer record this time around but this was an expensive risk that has ultimately failed.

[indierich06]

Well, Football is a game of opinions and everyone is entitled to their own.

Personally I take every player on their own merits, and dont make comparisons of one over the other.

So if you are aiming that at me it's well off the mark.

And anyway, Beckford is history at our club so any argument about him is pretty much a waste of key strokes.

Hopefully we can finally get rid of him in the summer and finally close the chapter on it. One thing that does piss me off is that when Beckford was here last season, performing far worse than Vardy has so far, where were the threads suggesting that Beckford was out of depth? It's always annoyed me that just because he came from the PL and Vardy came from non league, Beckford got more of a chance when he did nothing to deserve it.

[Collymore]

It's always annoyed me that just because he came from the PL and Vardy came from non league, Beckford got more of a chance when he did nothing to deserve it.

But Beckford has proved himself in league1 which is 2 leagues above what vardy had played at.

[indierich06]

But Beckford has proved himself in league1 which is 2 leagues above what vardy had played at.

So what? Had he proved himself in the Championship?

There are plenty of players who get promoted to the Premier League and find themselves out of their depth and people acknowledge that. Beckford is a very good League One striker, but if Jamie Vardy is out of his depth in this league, Beckford must be drowning.

[Guest Col city fan]

So what? Had he proved himself in the Championship?

There are plenty of players who get promoted to the Premier League and find themselves out of their depth and people acknowledge that. Beckford is a very good League One striker, but if Jamie Vardy is out of his depth in this league, Beckford must be drowning.

I'd like to simply reiterate that I think there's more to come from Vardy. We've seen little glimpses of what he can do.

However, I'd also like to reiterate that Pearson took not an inexpensive gamble with Vardy. Making such a step up WAS a gamble IMO. And thus far, it's not paid off.

I stated right at the start of the season that my main concern was that I didn't think the squad possessed enough real quality. A second striker who could score sufficient goals being a case in point. I think this has been true and if we had signed Wood (or equivalent) pre season I think we'd now be top of the table.

Now we need to get in a real quality (for this level) midfielder and then I think we have a real good shout of the play offs. Top two could now be too late.

Wood was available pre-season I think, as were a number of strikers who we could have signed for the right price. The gamble on Vardy may well not have paid off.

But I think he WILL get better.

IMO.

[Happy Fox]

I'd like to simply reiterate that I think there's more to come from Vardy. We've seen little glimpses of what he can do.

However, I'd also like to reiterate that Pearson took not an inexpensive gamble with Vardy. Making such a step up WAS a gamble IMO. And thus far, it's not paid off.

I stated right at the start of the season that my main concern was that I didn't think the squad possessed enough real quality. A second striker who could score sufficient goals being a case in point. I think this has been true and if we had signed Wood (or equivalent) pre season I think we'd now be top of the table.

Now we need to get in a real quality (for this level) midfielder and then I think we have a real good shout of the play offs. Top two could now be too late.

Wood was available pre-season I think, as were a number of strikers who we could have signed for the right price. The gamble on Vardy may well not have paid off.

But I think he WILL get better.

IMO.

Only 5 points of Hull that is hardly too late, provided we put on another winning run which the addition of Wood and Trotter to come hopefully could be the catalyst.

[Guest Col city fan]

Only 5 points of Hull that is hardly too late, provided we put on another winning run which the addition of Wood and Trotter to come hopefully could be the catalyst.

To be fair you're right...

Of course they are catchable.

However two points: firstly, to catch the sides above us implies they themselves slip (which, yes, could happen). Secondly, with those players of quality I mentioned we wouldn't be having to play catch-up. I genuinely believe we'd be up with Cardiff. Pearson has done generally a grand job, lets hope we don't 'miss the boat' because we were just a little short from the start. I know this is with the benefit of hindsight, but it is something I said at the start of the season. With the squad we HAD I predicted 7th come the end. Now with Wood and hopefully one other, this could be bettered.